From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #49 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, February 16 2002 Volume 05 : Number 049 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] High Time - the mystery solved [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] playlist [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] High Time - the mystery solved ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] playlist [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] playlist [Neil Soiseth ] Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] High Time - the mystery solved [Andrew Westmeyer ] Re: [idealcopy] playlist [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] playlist [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire songs [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] Wire songs [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] John Foxx info for those interested [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #48/Diggle [Hatsephsut@aol.com] [idealcopy] info needed [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] OT - APB!! [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] playlist [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] playlist [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:13:55 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig > "The Peel sessions" I found less interesting. "Repeat" I found absolutely > boring. > ///// agreed the 2 studio albums are excellent. but i think the above 2 are well worth having. i thought the peel versions of the 1st album tracks are at least as good , and "rimp ramp romp" i love. i thought "repeat" (the track) was superb. admittedly the other 2 tracks on the cd are not so clever (on "metal" they bang bits of metal together for much longer than was sensible) but i think its worth getting for the title track. also the "repeat" cd has a great and very worthwhile insert that you'll get hours of amusement from. i challenge anyone at that gig to go ask for some this heat autographs. who's going? p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:32:29 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] High Time - the mystery solved Or Wire in dodgy distribution babylon. It turns out that the High Time CD listed at various online music stores (Amazon, CDnow etc) is a reggae record (hence the name!) released by a guy who runs a West Indian food emporium in Toronto. Colin says: "He probably has never heard of UK art rockers Wire but the demon of the piece is not himself but whoever has sold in this product pretty efficiently to all those re-sellers knowing it would be listed along with 3pink flag2, 3chairs missing2 etc. We can put pressure on the source but as many complaints as possible to CD-Now, Amazon and anyone else listing it wouldn9t go amiss." Further information is available at Posteverything.com. So get complaining. In a rub-a-dub style ;-) Any listers in Toronto? Care to check out Wire's Variety & West Indian Foods? Mark Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:35:50 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig << ///// agreed the 2 studio albums are excellent. but i think the above 2 are well worth having. i thought the peel versions of the 1st album tracks are at least as good , and "rimp ramp romp" i love. i thought "repeat" (the track) was superb.<< Totally agree - Repeat (the track) is fantastic and still sounds like it was made yesterday. >> admittedly the other 2 tracks on the cd are not so clever (on "metal" they bang bits of metal together for much longer than was sensible) << You can have hours of fun with Graphic/Varispeed (originally the B-side of Health&Efficiency) especially on vinyl where you can make your own remixes using the 45/33 switch. >>also the "repeat" cd has a great and very worthwhile insert that you'll get hours of amusement from. >> Very droll. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 05:48:17 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist << But..what about New Order? Ceremony, Everythings Gone Green, Theives Like Us, Perfect Kiss, Bizarre Love Triangle?<< I'd agree, though NO aren't a "singles" band in quite the same way as the Buzzcocks or the Smiths - where you had a rapid-fire sequence of 7inch, 2 or 3-minute pop songs over a relatively short period of time, where even the packaging was consistent and thematic. (The Jesus & Mary Chain achieved this too for the first half-dozen or so singles - as did Wire of course!) NO's singles run (many of which are extended 12 inchers) contains a few duds (Confusion, the singles off Republic that weren't Regret) and spans a very long (and ongoing) timeframe. >> Mind you, are New Order a great singles band or just a band who make very patchy LPs which make the singles sound great? >> Could it be the fact that the singles aren't generally on the albums? How much better would Movement have been with Ceremony and In a Lonely Place? (not to mention Cries & Whispers, Procession or Mesh. Or a sensible "straight" production). Having said that Republic (their patchiest album) has several singles on it. And I wouldn't exactly call Power Corruption & Lies or Technique "patchy".... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:48:10 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig > admittedly the other 2 tracks on the cd are not so clever (on "metal" they bang bits of metal together for much longer than > was sensible) ah those there were the days. the use of pieces of metal - definitely the thing to do circa 82-83. spk - 'metal dance' et al. i seem to recall that even the gang of four singer jon king was on ogwt hitting something with an iron bar or whatever. what was exactly that seemed so impressive about the thought of someone hitting something with a piece of metal as opposed to wood ? i'll have to dig out my old 7" of 'metal dance' to try and find out... keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:06:22 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist ----- Original Message ----- From: RLynn9@aol.com To: timrobinson@cwcom.net ; idealcopy@smoe.org Cc: keith.astbury10@virgin.net ; MarkBursa@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 3:27 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist In a message dated 2/14/02 8:28:42 PM Central Standard Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: >No self respecting fan of electronic pop music would diss the Pet Shop Boys >(West End Girls, Its Alright, Love Comes Quickly etc still send shivers >down the spine) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] High Time - the mystery solved - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 15, 2002 10:32 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] High Time - the mystery solved > Or Wire in dodgy distribution babylon. > > It turns out that the High Time CD listed at various online music stores > (Amazon, CDnow etc) is a reggae record (hence the name!) released by a guy > who runs a West Indian food emporium in Toronto. > > Colin says: "He probably has never heard of UK art rockers Wire but the demon > of the piece is not himself but whoever has sold in this product pretty > efficiently to all those re-sellers knowing it would be listed along with > 3pink flag2, 3chairs missing2 etc. We can put pressure on the source but as > many complaints as possible to CD-Now, Amazon and anyone else listing it > wouldn9t go amiss." > unless this is of course some cunning newman plan. wire in dodgy reggae record shock. reminds me of a jon wilde review of a super furry animals single a few years ago ('northern lights'?) that amused me and went something like... 'i am all for cultural cross-overs but i draw the line at a welshman trying to skank'. still i wouldn't be averse to hearing a dub '12XU' i have to say. keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 04:32:12 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: [idealcopy] Wire songs Need to know What Wire songs are similar to "Ahead" or "kidney bingos" but just as brilliant. More on the elecronical new orderish side that is. Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 06:24:39 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig But what about the Metal Doughnut Band? Leicester's finest metal percussionists. Ahem. John - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > admittedly the other 2 tracks on the cd are not so > clever (on "metal" they > bang bits of metal together for much longer than > > was sensible) > > ah those there were the days. > the use of pieces of metal - definitely the thing to > do circa 82-83. spk - > 'metal dance' et al. > i seem to recall that even the gang of four singer > jon king was on ogwt > hitting something with an iron bar or whatever. > what was exactly that seemed so impressive about the > thought of someone > hitting something with a piece of metal as opposed > to wood ? > i'll have to dig out my old 7" of 'metal dance' to > try and find out... > keith Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:18:45 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig Keith, << i seem to recall that even the gang of four singer jon king was on ogwt hitting something with an iron bar or whatever.<< Paralysed off Solid Gold. Fantastic live - whacking a metal table with an iron bar. REM nicked it completely on World Leader Pretend, with Stipe doing the same bar/table thing live. Fessed up to it too - Peter Buck has claimed Andy Gill was as much an influence on his playing as Roger McGuinn. >>what was exactly that seemed so impressive about the thought of someone hitting something with a piece of metal as opposed to wood ? i'll have to dig out my old 7" of 'metal dance' to try and find out...<< Better still dig out Tanz Debil off Einsturzende Neubauten's Kollaps debut album. Makes SPK look like Jonathan Richman. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:22:22 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist << i refuse on principle to use the word 'diss' - it's too tim westwood. >> What a total tosser "Tim" Westwood is. Did you see him on Jo Whiley's show about a year ago...saying how he "took ah boolleht" in his ludicrous West country faux-Jamaican accent. Why is he not a national figure of ridicule? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 07:37:26 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist I don't know what's worse Mark. Being Tim Westwood or watching Jo Whiley? 8-) John (Who remembers that particular programme well and yes, Westwood is a jerk. Anyone who can be the subject of Whiley's ridicule has got to be. Shame his assailants missed imo.) - --- MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > << i refuse on principle to use the word 'diss' - > it's too tim westwood. >> > > What a total tosser "Tim" Westwood is. Did you see > him on Jo Whiley's show > about a year ago...saying how he "took ah boolleht" > in his ludicrous West > country faux-Jamaican accent. Why is he not a > national figure of ridicule? > > Mark Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:07:57 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > And I wouldn't exactly call Power Corruption & Lies or Technique > "patchy".... Not only that, but I think "Run" is one of the worse tracks from Technique, but it was the third single. Is there a complete NO videos collection? I have a tape of Substance, but that's only half the story. a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:09:49 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > Paralysed off Solid Gold. Fantastic live - whacking a metal table with > an iron bar. REM nicked it completely on World Leader Pretend, with > Stipe doing the same bar/table thing live. Fessed up to it too - Peter > Buck has claimed Andy Gill was as much an influence on his playing as > Roger McGuinn. And in Tourfilm, where you can see him doing the aforementioned percussion trick, he opens "World Leader Pretend" with an a capella verse from "We Live As We Dream, Alone". That's actually how I got into Gang Of Four... a ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:20:26 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig > << i seem to recall that even the gang of four singer jon king was on ogwt > hitting something with an iron bar or whatever.<< > > Paralysed off Solid Gold. Fantastic live - whacking a metal table with an > iron bar. REM nicked it completely on World Leader Pretend, with Stipe doing > the same bar/table thing live. ///// as i remember mark the 2 tracks they did on OGWT were he'd send in the army (with metal bar percussion) and to hell with poverty. pretty sure they never did paralysed on the tv. wasn't "metal dance" pretty crap , when they'd ditched the abrasiveness and were trying to do "commercial" ? never bought it ..... p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 10:42:03 -0600 From: Neil Soiseth Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist on 15.2.02 10:07 AM, Aaron Mandel at aaron@eecs.harvard.edu wrote: > On Fri, 15 Feb 2002 MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: > >> And I wouldn't exactly call Power Corruption & Lies or Technique >> "patchy".... > > Not only that, but I think "Run" is one of the worse tracks from > Technique, but it was the third single. Insult to injury, NO was successfully sued by John Denver for plagiarism on that tune (was it Leaving on a Jet Plane?). Don't mind the album, but I find the singles are the worst tracks on it. Fine Time is absolutely awful. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:06:09 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig << ///// as i remember mark the 2 tracks they did on OGWT were he'd send in the army (with metal bar percussion) and to hell with poverty. pretty sure they never did paralysed on the tv.<< I think you're right. Can't remember him using the metal percussion on HSITA when I saw them live but he may well have done. Paralysed is the one that sticks in the mind - at one point it drops down to just the metal percussion - - and then Gill starts whacking the guitar srings with a beer can. Ace!!! >> wasn't "metal dance" pretty crap , when they'd ditched the abrasiveness and were trying to do "commercial" ? never bought it ..... p >> It was certainly after SPK stood for Surgical Penis Klinik.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 09:06:49 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] High Time - the mystery solved A Japanese band named Sponge did a reggae version of "Ex-Lion Tamer". It almost worked. Except for the distracting Japanese accent in a reggae song... Andrew - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > still i wouldn't be averse to hearing a dub '12XU' i have to say. Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:18:44 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist << Insult to injury, NO was successfully sued by John Denver for plagiarism on that tune (was it Leaving on a Jet Plane?). Don't mind the album, but I find the singles are the worst tracks on it. Fine Time is absolutely awful. >> Correct. Run 2 (the single version) was hastily withdrawn as a result, which makes it quite rare - wrth having for the fantastic Peter Saville "washing powder" sleeve! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:27:29 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist In a message dated 15/02/2002 15:23:33 GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Tim" Westwood is. Did you see him on Jo Whiley's show > about a year ago...saying how he "took ah boolleht" in his ludicrous West > country faux-Jamaican accent. Why is he not a national figure of ridicule? > He is Mark.He most definately is. Wanker. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 13:01:47 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig >Keith, > ><< i seem to recall that even the gang of four singer jon king was on ogwt > hitting something with an iron bar or whatever.<< > >Paralysed off Solid Gold. Fantastic live - whacking a metal table with an >iron bar. i'm pretty sure he does it on the solid gold song -- army, i think -- they perform on the urgh! movie. > REM nicked it completely on World Leader Pretend, with Stipe doing >the same bar/table thing live. at least stipe presumably picked it up first-hand ... they were the gang's openers on the tour on which i saw 'em over here in, i guess, the fall of '82. dan Fessed up to it too - Peter Buck has claimed >Andy Gill was as much an influence on his playing as Roger McGuinn. > > >>what was exactly that seemed so impressive about the thought of someone > hitting something with a piece of metal as opposed to wood ? > i'll have to dig out my old 7" of 'metal dance' to try and find out...<< > >Better still dig out Tanz Debil off Einsturzende Neubauten's Kollaps debut >album. Makes SPK look like Jonathan Richman. > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:23:49 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist Aaron, << Is there a complete NO videos collection? I have a tape of Substance, but that's only half the story. >> There is. It's called NewOrderStory and has a lengthy documentary as well as just about all the videos. Released about the time of Republic (the cover is similar). You should be able to pick it up reasonably easily. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:24:47 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig << And in Tourfilm, where you can see him doing the aforementioned percussion trick, he opens "World Leader Pretend" with an a capella verse from "We Live As We Dream, Alone". That's actually how I got into Gang Of Four... >> Must watch that again. Probably at the peak of their powers at that time, 1989. Saw that Green tour a couple of times.... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 14:26:45 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist But he's still taken seriously by da kidz though isn't he. I'm always amazed that he gets "respeck" from black artists, who I'd thought would have given him as much respeck as they'd give Ali G. Mark << > Tim" Westwood is. Did you see him on Jo Whiley's show > about a year ago...saying how he "took ah boolleht" in his ludicrous West > country faux-Jamaican accent. Why is he not a national figure of ridicule? > He is Mark.He most definately is. Wanker. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 11:48:58 -0800 (PST) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire songs Hmmmm... I would probably add "Eardrum Buzz", "It's a Boy" (ABIAC version), "German Shepards", and "Map Ref...". I rate all of those songs very highly, and could probably think of more later! Like right after I send this email! > Need to know What Wire songs are similar to "Ahead" > or > "kidney bingos" but just as brilliant. More on the > elecronical new orderish side that is. ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95016 (831) 425-7335 - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:34:54 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire songs Just go and buy The A List.... Mark << > Need to know What Wire songs are similar to "Ahead" > or > "kidney bingos" but just as brilliant. More on the > elecronical new orderish side that is. >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:45:00 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig > > << i seem to recall that even the gang of four singer jon king was on ogwt > > hitting something with an iron bar or whatever.<< > > > > Paralysed off Solid Gold. Fantastic live - whacking a metal table with an > > iron bar. REM nicked it completely on World Leader Pretend, with Stipe doing > > the same bar/table thing live. > > > ///// as i remember mark the 2 tracks they did on OGWT were he'd send in the army (with metal bar percussion) and to hell with poverty. pretty sure they never did paralysed on the tv. paul's right. it was 'he'd send in the army'. i had it on video but i haven't seen it in a long time. if i remember rightly, it was partly in black and white for some reason even though it was live in the ogwt studio (unless my telly was playing up!). > > wasn't "metal dance" pretty crap , when they'd ditched the abrasiveness and were trying to do "commercial" ? never bought it ..... p i played 'metal dance' earlier on and it was ok, though obviously 'of its period'. it was pretty commercial which i suppose goes to show that even when it comes down to some blokes hitting bits of metal, i like the poppier end of the market! i also dug out an old single by a local band called fatal gift ('the watch') which i think peel played a couple of times - and with it's jangly guitars and tinny synths was briefly transformed back to the mid-80's. bloody hell. it's such a long time ago now... keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 20:49:53 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] High Time - the mystery solved > A Japanese band named Sponge did a reggae version of "Ex-Lion Tamer". > It almost worked. Except for the distracting Japanese accent in a > reggae song... > > Andrew > now that's a record i'd like to hear. a japanese band playing a reggae version of a punk classic. big time cultural cross-contamination or what! what's it on? i can see a new career ahead for me. seems like it's alright for welshmen to skank after all... jah astbury > --- Keith Astbury wrote: > > still i wouldn't be averse to hearing a dub '12XU' i have to say. > Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail > http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 12:58:01 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Check This Out(O.T) www.bettybowers.com Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:30:02 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] John Foxx info for those interested Hello everyone, ***** CD Availability... Just a quick note to tell everyone that "Cathedral Oceans", "Shifting City" and "The Pleasures of Electricity" are all available to buy on-line via the following addresses... "Cathedral Oceans" http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/metamatic/meta001.htm "Shifting City" http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/metamatic/meta002.htm "The Pleasures of Electricity" http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/metamatic/meta004cd.htm ***** Regards, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:35:56 EST From: Hatsephsut@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V5 #48/Diggle > harmony in my head? mad mad judy? autonomy? girl from the chainstore? > sitting > round at home? or Speed of Life and Turn of the Screw - and then there's What Else Can You Do? from Some Reality - it's accoustic and not pop or punk, but it's a lovely song - and then there's the greatest Diggle song of all time which remains unreleased but has been sung live on occasion - Wallpaper World and don't even try to tell me that none of you scoffers hasn't purposely used "I...I want you...on top of me" at one time or another - I have a theory that "on top of me" is really the original lyric and they're playing a joke on all of us by making it Autonomy Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 17:40:38 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] info needed i need some people to e-mail me privately...some of you were kind enough to send me cd-rs of some stuff i was looking for and i need your addresses because i goofed and lost them....so i can repay the kindness! I just got a cd burner for my birthday (the 16th)...thanks to all of you and i need the following to contact me: Ari (for the Wire cd-r) , Alistair (for the Fad Gadget poster and fliers), Billy (for the Silicon Teens cd-r) and anyone else i might have forgotten... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 15 Feb 2002 15:12:12 -0800 (PST) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] OT - APB!! Greetings fellow Idealists! I am hunting around for a hard to find album by Tom Waits. It's called "Dimestore Novels Vol 1- Live at Ebbett's Field". Has anyone seen a copy of this anywhere! I'm quite interested! ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- Rick Hindman, 3R Productions PO Box 7770 Santa Cruz, CA 95016 t: (831) 425-7335 f: (831) 425-7356 - ----------------------------------------------------------- Got something to say? Say it better with Yahoo! Video Mail http://mail.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 01:48:17 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist Its always baffled me. Westwood and I have quite similar backgrounds as well as a shared christian name. We are both from cosy middle class backgrounds, and both of our fathers are clergymen, although Westwoods dad is a Bishop (true!) Not sure where he got his accent from. My dad has met Westwoods dad and doesn't recall him being black and he didn't deliver his sermon in Patois. But it is bizarre that Westwood isn't a laughing stock in the Hip Hop community. I imagine the majority of his listeners are middle class white boys from the Home Counties, fantasising about the Ghetto Lifestyle from the comfort of their Detached house in Basingstoke. Perhaps it boils down to a simple equation. Not laughing at Westwood=him playing your crap R&B record on his show=loads of record sales to other 16 year old white boys who pretend to be black. Apparently Westwood still has the bullet holes in the back seat of his twatty jeep as some kind of trophy. But lets not wish that Westwood would die in a drive by shooting. That would be too dignified for him. I'd like Westwood to die, alone and penniless, and loaded to the gills with dodgy crack, in one the 'Ghettos' he so wishes he came from. At 14:26 15/02/2002 -0500, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >But he's still taken seriously by da kidz though isn't he. I'm always amazed >that he gets "respeck" from black artists, who I'd thought would have given >him as much respeck as they'd give Ali G. > >Mark > ><< > Tim" Westwood is. Did you see him on Jo Whiley's show > > about a year ago...saying how he "took ah boolleht" in his ludicrous West > > country faux-Jamaican accent. Why is he not a national figure of > ridicule? > > > > He is Mark.He most definately is. Wanker. >> ________________________________________ Monster monster www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 16 Feb 2002 04:28:08 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist In a message dated 16/02/2002 02:47:43 GMT Standard Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > I'd like Westwood to die, alone and penniless, and loaded to the gills with > dodgy crack, in one the 'Ghettos' he so wishes he came from. > Ouch ! I don't know whether I would go that far.....but on reflection..... ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #49 ******************************