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idealcopy-digest      Thursday, February 14 2002      Volume 05 : Number 047



                               Today's Subjects:
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  Re: [idealcopy] Herzog         ["bartvandamme@home" <bartvandamme@home.nl>]
  Re: [idealcopy] Re: mozzer/nostrils  ["dan bailey" <dpbailey@worldnet.att.]
  Re: [idealcopy] Re: mozzer/nostrils  ["dan bailey" <dpbailey@worldnet.att.]
  Re: [idealcopy] Nosferatu/Jamie Gumm                    [MarkBursa@aol.com]
  Re: [idealcopy] Nosferatu/Jamie Gumm                   [Eardrumbuz@aol.com]
  Re: [idealcopy] recording to hard drive  [Paul Pietromonaco <paulp@wrq.com]
  Re: [idealcopy] playlist     ["Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>]
  Re: [idealcopy] OT: mystery track/Church/Buzzkunst/Ubu  ["Keith Astbury" <]
  Re: [idealcopy] ad music     ["Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>]
  Re: [idealcopy] Re: acr      ["Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>]
  Re: [idealcopy] playlist                                [MarkBursa@aol.com]
  Re: [idealcopy] Another ACR question  ["Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@vi]
  Re: [idealcopy] Alan Gill                               [MarkBursa@aol.com]
  Re: [idealcopy] Alan Gill    ["Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>]
  Re: [idealcopy] playlist     ["Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>]
  Re: [idealcopy] Another ACR question  ["dan bailey" <dpbailey@worldnet.att]
  Re: [idealcopy] ad music         ["dan bailey" <dpbailey@worldnet.att.net>]
  Re: [idealcopy] Another ACR question                       [RLynn9@aol.com]

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 15:42:52 +0100
From: "bartvandamme@home" <bartvandamme@home.nl>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Herzog

> must try to remember to look that one up & tape it (having gotten cable last
> month for the first time in 11 years, of course the only thing i ever use it
> for is to watch the noncable networks that i was able to pull in with rabbit
> ears in little rock), never having seen herzog's nosferatu.

Parts of Nosferatu were filmed in Delft [Netherlands] very near where I used
to live. There was this buzz going through the neighbourhood when it was
filmed. This was my first Herzog film, but many more soon followed.

Cheers,

Bart [isn't Kinsky just the best!]
http://www.bartvandamme.com
bartvandamme@home.nl

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:38:43 -0600
From: "dan bailey" <dpbailey@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: mozzer/nostrils

>Miles thus
><<but Local H's "Down To the Floor" prominently uses the word
"copacetic.">>
>
>Now I never thought this was such an unusual word to hear in a song lyric
>I can't quote the tunes but both Dr John and Lee Scratch Perry I have heard
>use it...I took it to be N'Orleans patois meaning cool & funky or
>somesuch...can anyone supply the definitive meaning?
>
>A


i could go do actual research in an appropriate dictionary or website, but
it's much more fun to operate without a net, as it were ... i'm pretty sure
that "cool & funky" is a decent definition. i think it's slang dating from
the jazz age ('20s, maybe), possibly coined in a comic strip (maybe even
barney google/snuffy smith), though offhand i'm unaware of any nola
connections. i could also, of course, be dead, dead wrong.

dan

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 23:44:45 -0600
From: "dan bailey" <dpbailey@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: mozzer/nostrils

aha ... i was *tangentially* right, i suppose, about a jazz connection ...

We do know that "copacetic" first appeared in American English around the
turn of the century, and was current in Black usage, especially among jazz
musicians, for many years before entering the general popular vocabulary.
The first and greatest exponent of "copacetic" was, in fact, Bill
"Bojangles" Robinson (1878-1949), an extremely popular Black entertainer and
probably the greatest tap dancer in history.
There are, of course, plenty of theories about "copacetic." Some authorities
trace it to an Italian word "copissettic," supposedly meaning "excellent,"
but others point to a Creole-French word, "coupersetique," or "able to be
coped with." Yet another is the Yiddish connection you mention, based on the
Hebrew phrase "kol ba seder," meaning "all in order." This theory raises the
question, of course, of how a Hebrew phrase would come to be current in
American Black English. The most oft-heard explanation is that Jewish
shopkeepers, when asked "How's it going?", might well have replied with "kol
ba seder," which was then picked up in phonetic form as "copacetic" by his
customers. Unfortunately, there is no evidence to support this or any of the
other theories, so the book remains open on "copacetic."

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>>Miles thus
>><<but Local H's "Down To the Floor" prominently uses the word
>"copacetic.">>
>>
>>Now I never thought this was such an unusual word to hear in a song lyric
>>I can't quote the tunes but both Dr John and Lee Scratch Perry I have
heard
>>use it...I took it to be N'Orleans patois meaning cool & funky or
>>somesuch...can anyone supply the definitive meaning?
>>
>>A
>
>
>i could go do actual research in an appropriate dictionary or website, but
>it's much more fun to operate without a net, as it were ... i'm pretty sure
>that "cool & funky" is a decent definition. i think it's slang dating from
>the jazz age ('20s, maybe), possibly coined in a comic strip (maybe even
>barney google/snuffy smith), though offhand i'm unaware of any nola
>connections. i could also, of course, be dead, dead wrong.
>
>dan

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:04:20 EST
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nosferatu/Jamie Gumm

Jonathan Demme is well-known for slipping his favourite music into his films. 
Notably in Something Wild, the covers band playing at the college reuinion is 
the Feelies.

Mark

<< As for Silence of the Lambs, it also has the Fall's Hip Priest in it. >>

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 16:22:43 EST
From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nosferatu/Jamie Gumm

In a message dated 2/13/02 3:43:17 AM, giluz@netvision.net.il writes:

<<2. There are lots of Nosferatu versions, each with its own length. Even if
you had the unedited version of the music you'd still have to find the movie
version Faust used for it to work.>>

but if you start the faust cd at the exact moment the wizard of oz turns to 
color...oh boy! hehe, just kidding of course, but now i'm gonna have to do 
that just to see what it's like :o)

<< 
As for Silence of the Lambs, it also has the Fall's Hip Priest in it. >>

and a little bit after that (somewhere in that scene in the dark), i believe, 
is real men by savage republic. 

- -paul c.d.

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 14:20:44 -0800
From: Paul Pietromonaco <paulp@wrq.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] recording to hard drive

>Hi, I'm attempting (for the 1st time!) to record some cassettes to my
hard
>drive in order to burn some cds. I find that I can't get the 'record'
levels
>up to where I normally like them. I'm using Win xp and Win 98, with
the>sliders on all of the relevant apps I can find pushed all the way
up. Any
>ideas?


In addition to what's been stated before, there's a couple of other
things to check.  

First of all, you want to make sure that you're using "Line Out" of
your cassette deck to "Line In" on your computer.  Don't use Headphone
out from the cassette deck or Mic in on the sound card - this requires
careful matching of signal levels to work properly.    

Next, open the Windows volume control (usually hidden on the Start
- -->programs ---> Accessories--> multimedia menu) , and select
Properties from the Options menu.  In the properties dialog box, select
"Adjust Volume for recording", and then make sure the Line In volume
control is checked.  Click OK, and the dialog box should now be labeled
"Recording Control".  Now, select "Advanced Controls" from the Options
menu, and see if a button appears below the Line In slider.  If there's
no button below the Line In slider, then you should be good to go.  If
there is a button, click it, and make sure all "automatic level
controls" are turned off (if present.)

Good Luck!!

Cheers,
Paul

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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:31:39 -0000
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist

i'd like to say that my absense from here the last week was in protest at
bart and ian liking blink 182, but sadly it was technical problems...
went to see the pet shop boys last weekend at keele university.  i was
really looking forward to it - i reckon they're the best british singles act
since the buzzcocks or undertones - and they were playing a small venue. it
was a bit disappointing though to be honest, bit of a patchy set (the new
stuff was more guitar based, slow stuff). still there were some good moments
too - 'go west' as an encore certainly raised the roof (though even then
they followed it with a slow newie that ended the show in a more downbeat
manner). perhaps it was just me, still basking in the glory of brian wilson
and thus hard to please...
keith
N.P. smog - 'neath the puke tree'

- ----- Original Message -----
From: Woerner Frank <Frank.Woerner@nbg.sbs.de>
To: ideal copy <idealcopy@smoe.org>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2002 2:21 PM
Subject: AW: [idealcopy] playlist


> here is mine:
>
> Pet Shop Boys: new album
> regards,
>
> FrankfromBavaria

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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:44:18 -0000
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: mystery track/Church/Buzzkunst/Ubu

> If you can't find the Church new LP in your local shop
> try direct:
>
> http://www.cookingvinyl.com/
>


for those of you into the church, you might like to read this. (i was
looking for adrian borland/the sound stuff myself...)
keith

RED SUN RECORDS - CD TOP 10
Our best selling albums of JANUARY:
01 - The Sound - From The Lions Mouth (pre-order)
02 - The Sound - Jeopardy (pre-order)
03 - The Sound - All Fall Down (pre-order)
04 - The Opposition - Breaking The Silence
05 - The Sound - In The Hothouse
06 - The Sound - Propaganda
07 - The Chameleons - Why Call It Anything
08 - Adrian Borland - Last Days Of The Rain Machine
09 - The Church - After Everything Now This
10 - Steve Kilbey - Dabble

=========================================================

THE CHURCH "After Everything Now This"
The Church are back with their first album in three years! They have
survived the 80's, the 90's and their hit "Under The Milky Way" and are
still going strong. This is floating, melancholic neo-psychedelic music, in
which you can dwell pleasantly sedated. After Everything Now This is a
highly lyrical and textured work. The way the acoustic and electric guitars
are ringing, chiming and swirling is even more refined and vibrant than
before. It's not just that the songs are full of meaty hooks, but it's the
way the subtler elements in their sound come together that puts it over the
top. Listen to how Steve Kilbey's distant, breathy vocals and harmonies mesh
with the mellifluous guitars and sparse keyboard sprinklings, and to how the
rhythm section sets the tone for each song, gracefully building and
subsiding, framing Kilbey's oft dark words and feelings. Marty Willson-Piper
and Peter Koppes unsurprisingly once again do some fine work on guitar and
Powles' drumming is revelato!
 ry, capable of both straight-ahead rock surge and more complex, subtle work
informed by other traditions. Simply astonishing ...

THE CHURCH - GIGS
AUSTRALIA
feb 13 Tilley's Devine Cafi Canberra Australia
feb 14 Tilley's Devine Cafi Canberra Australia

EUROPE
feb 21 Break For The Border Leeds UK
feb 22 Camden Underworld London UK
feb 23 Camden Underworld London UK
feb 25 Botanique/Rotonde Brussels Belgium
feb 27 Elser Halle Munich Germany
feb 28 ISC Bern Switzerland
mar 1 Binario Zero Milano Italy
mar 2 Barfly Ancona Italy
mar 3 Vidia Club San Vittore Italy
mar 5 Roxy Valencia Spain
mar 6 Sonotone Mallorca Spain
mar 7 Teatro Galpagar Madrid Spain
mar 9 Soundstation Liege Belgium
mar 10 013 Tilburg Netherlands
mar 12 Rymeposten Odense Denmark
mar 13 Vega Copenhagen Denmark
mar 14 Gump Gothenberg Sweden
mar 15 So What Oslo Norway
mar 16 Garage Bergen Norway
mar 19 Logo Hamburg Germany
mar 20 Bastard Berlin Germany
mar 21 Schwimmbad Heidelburg Germany
mar 22 Kreuzsaal Fulda Germany
mar 23 Ekko Utrecht Netherlands
mar 24 Vicar St Dublin Ireland

USA
apr 4 Canes San Diego CA
apr 5 Coach House San Juan Capistrano CA
apr 6 House of Blues Hollywood Los Angeles CA
apr 7 Slims's San Francisco CA
apr 8 Harlow's Sacramento CA
apr 10 Roseland Grill Portland OR
apr 11 Crocodile Cafi Seattle WA
apr 13 Zephyr Salt Lake City UT
apr 14 Bluebird Theatre Denver CO
apr 17 First Ave Minneapolis MN
apr 18 Shank Hall Milwaukee WI
apr 19 House Of Blues Chicago IL
apr 20 Magic Stick Detroit MI
apr 22 Birchmere Alexandria VA
apr 23 Trocadero Philadelphia PA
apr 24 Bowery Ballroom New York NY
apr 25 Rams Head Annapolis MD
apr 26 Paradise Rock Club Boston MA
may 2 Enmore Theatre Sydney NSW
may 3 The Gov Adelaide SA
may 5 The Athanaeum Theatre Melbourne VIC


More details can be found on http://www.redsunrecords.nl including
tracklist, artwork and 3 audiosamples!
==========================================================

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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 00:51:51 -0000
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ad music

>>my personal fave is T Rex's "20th Century Boy".  That riff
> >just jumps off the screen ....
>
> i doubt that i'd even recognize rock & roll ... i certainly agree about
20th
> century boy, though -- between that & the use of get it on on another ad
> these days, perhaps it's time for t rex to finally make a splash over
here.
> (how long till some car company picks up on metal guru, anyway?).
>
> dan

not breaking america almost broke bolans heart. he was always being asked
about it in interviews, and he was always saying they were getting bigger
over there etc. i think it was only the last couple of years of his life
that he came to terms with not cracking it.
keith

ps what do 20th century boy and get it on advertsie by the way ? (20th
century boy was a hit here again in 1991 when used as a levi ad)

> >
> >
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "dan bailey" <dpbailey@worldnet.att.net>
> >To: "idealcopy" <idealcopy@smoe.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 1:07 PM
> >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ad music
> >
> >
> >> it's not exactly the usual topic here (though if we're discussing
> wizzard,
> >> etc ...), but just how sad is it that i got excited a few minutes ago
> upon
> >> hearing the faces' ooh la la on the tv in the front room as the theme
for
> >a
> >> mitsubishi ad? maybe ronnie lane's descendants are getting a bit of
money
> >> ...
> >>
> >> dan

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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:16:06 -0000
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: acr

> ON ACR I will go against the flow and admit to liking Good Together,
> which is smooooother than Perry Como warbling at a sand-blasters
> convention.  Has Barney and Shaun doing backing vocals on the title
> track.
>
> Howard

not a massive ACR fan myself but 'flight' is definitely the one for me. fab
12".
i like 'good together' too and was also rather partial to that later poppy
single 'the big e' which sadly didn't do the business despite a bit of a
push (and a later change of title i seem to recall)
as for the cocteaus though. apart from the odd record ('sunburst &
snowblind' for example) they just don't do it for me. what was she on about
? i was listening to richard harris 'macarthur park' yesterday and came to
the conclsuion that he could teach her a thing or two about diction...
keith

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:17:29 EST
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist

The Smiths?

Mark

<< i reckon they're the best british singles act
 since the buzzcocks or undertones >>

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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:22:16 -0000
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Another ACR question

> Recently i saw a compilation/soundtrack: "Letter to Brezhnev" (sp?)...It
> contained tracks by the Redskins, Bronski Beat, etc...there was a track
> called "Wild Party" by A Certain Ratio...was this a b-side to a single or
an
> lp track? ....can't get that damn Bronski Beat song out of my head now!
"Hit
> that perfect beat boy, hit that perfect beat beat beat beat
boy".....sigh...
>
> Robert
>

wasn't this soundtrack by alan gill, who not only co-wrote the teardrops
'reward', but was the main man behind dalek i, whose 'compass/kumpas' is
without doubt one of the greatest albums ever made. can't remember what the
soundtrack is like, it's been a long, long time since i saw the film.
(if anyone's got a copy of dalek i's 2nd poppier album from 1983(?), i'd
love to a copy in some form or other!!!)
keith

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 20:33:05 EST
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Alan Gill

<< wasn't this soundtrack by alan gill, who not only co-wrote the teardrops
 'reward', but was the main man behind dalek i, whose 'compass/kumpas' is
 without doubt one of the greatest albums ever made.<<

Presently at her majesty's pleasure, for drug-related activities. Cue 
Jackson-san ;-)

>> can't remember what the soundtrack is like, it's been a long, long time 
since i saw the film. (if anyone's got a copy of dalek i's 2nd poppier album 
from 1983(?), i'd
 love to a copy in some form or other!!!) >>

I have a single from 83 but not the album. I'd like to hear it too! You can 
imagine the record company execs begging him to come up with "another one 
like Reward" though!

Mark

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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:53:05 -0000
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Alan Gill

> I have a single from 83 but not the album.

was it the one that went something like
'looks good smells nice'
(ambition?)
got that on tape somewhere. good 45.

> I'd like to hear it too! You can
> imagine the record company execs begging him to come up with "another one
> like Reward" though!
>
> Mark

the thing is you can imagine that he could have come up with another if he'd
wanted! he just seemed to not want anything to do with the record biz. i
read that he just made home tapes later on - in limited quantities - and
sold them, though i never heard any of them.

keith

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Date: Thu, 14 Feb 2002 01:54:18 -0000
From: "Keith Astbury" <keith.astbury10@virgin.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] playlist

whoops!!!

> The Smiths?
> 
> Mark
> 
> << i reckon they're the best british singles act
>  since the buzzcocks or undertones >>

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:18:44 -0600
From: "dan bailey" <dpbailey@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Another ACR question

why the hell couldn't this have come up 3 months ago while i was sequested
in arkansas, surrounded by shelves of alphabetized vinyl, rather than boxes
& rows of unsorted records? anyway, while i'm not in any physical shape to
go rummaging any further (aggravatingly, the "d" sequence that i could
easily put my hands on didn't start till dead fingers talk), i'm 99 percent
sure that i've got a dalek i lp in addition to kumpass. whether it's the one
you're talking about, i dunno ... i have no idea how many they put out.

dan



>(if anyone's got a copy of dalek i's 2nd poppier album from 1983(?), i'd
>love to a copy in some form or other!!!)
>keith

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 21:21:55 -0600
From: "dan bailey" <dpbailey@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ad music

>> i doubt that i'd even recognize rock & roll

turns out that i *can* & *did* recognize it coming from the tv at work the
other night ... vile garbage.

... i certainly agree about
>20th
>> century boy, though -- between that & the use of get it on on another ad
>> these days, perhaps it's time for t rex to finally make a splash over
>here.
>> (how long till some car company picks up on metal guru, anyway?).
>>
>> dan
>
>not breaking america almost broke bolans heart. he was always being asked
>about it in interviews, and he was always saying they were getting bigger
>over there etc. i think it was only the last couple of years of his life
>that he came to terms with not cracking it.
>keith
>
>ps what do 20th century boy and get it on advertsie by the way ? (20th
>century boy was a hit here again in 1991 when used as a levi ad)


one's a car ad, the other's for instant pasta (of all damned things), i
believe. i think 20th c. is the former, get it on the latter, though of
course there's a 50-50 chance i've got it backwards.

dan

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Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 22:56:14 EST
From: RLynn9@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Another ACR question

In a message dated 2/13/02 9:19:07 PM Central Standard Time, 
dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes:


> why the hell couldn't this have come up 3 months ago while i was sequested
> in arkansas, surrounded by shelves of alphabetized vinyl, rather than boxes
> & rows of unsorted records? anyway, while i'm not in any physical shape to
> go rummaging any further (aggravatingly, the "d" sequence that i could
> easily put my hands on didn't start till dead fingers talk), i'm 99 percent
> sure that i've got a dalek i lp in addition to kumpass. whether it's the 
> one
> you're talking about, i dunno ... i have no idea how many they put out.
> 
> dan
> 

i think they had two albums Dan, ..all i have is Kum'pas lp and a 12" called 
Horrorscope/The Angel and the Clown/Heap Big Pow Wow.....

Robert -un-alphabetized-record-collection-Lynn

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