From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #46 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, February 13 2002 Volume 05 : Number 046 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] Re: Chicago etc. [Michael Flaherty ] RE: [idealcopy] ad music ["Creaig Dunton" ] [idealcopy] Jamie Gumm/Buffalo Bill [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Jamie Gumm/Buffalo Bill ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] ad music ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] Jamie Gumm/Buffalo Bill ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] Jamie Gumm/Buffalo Bill ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! [Tim ] [idealcopy] recording to hard drive ["John M Campbell" ] Re: [idealcopy] ACR ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! ["dan bailey" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 09:53:41 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig hello chums, This Heat are one of those beat combos that I never got around to investigating (see also Zoviet France, Suicide, Tuxedomoon and a million others) So, in aid of my homework for the Gareth Williams memorial concert, are there any dead cert, must-have cd's I should buy? or any MP3's floating around I can hear? I will see what Morpheus comes up with later... meanwhile I'm counting on the awesome IC knowledge base..... cheers A ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 10:05:05 -0000 From: "Martin" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire video clip 'Practice Makes Perfect' > ------------------------------ > > Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 21:33:16 EST > From: MarkBursa@aol.com > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire video clip 'Practice Makes Perfect' > > Billy,Real player > > Excellent find - but how do you make it work? > > Mark > > << Has anybody seen this? > Wire performing 'Practice Makes Perfect' from German > TV's Scene '78 .1978 > http://thiefoffire.homestead.com/index.html > > Takes a while to download, but well worth it. > > ------------------------------ You can play it through Real Player which is on several magazine cover discs or available at www.real.com. Thanks for posting the link. Cheers Martin ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 07:58:56 EST From: Hatsephsut@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FAO Dan - instrumentals - we goss-a problem In a message dated 2/12/02 3:32:16 AM Central Standard Time, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: > well, fine bands *are* certainly capable of occasionally straying into > instrumentral-land, witness the buzzcocks' own away from the pulsebeat, a > pretty sound effort. & of course my favorite track on slf's extremely weak > 3rd lp, go for it, is the title instrumental. > > dan > Aaahhh - thank you Dan, I knew you'd save me - when Joey told me that I went into panic mode and couldn't think - but after more discussion I understand it's not a long drawn out affair, just a regular song's worth - considering how many tracks are on there, it can't be too long - it still doesn't explain away my statement about Wipe Out wannabees, but we can work on that one:-) - I do agree though, that *brief* interludes are fine - I said I could take them in small doses, so I don't have to do too much fancy footwork taking that part back speaking of half to 3/4 of an album being instrumental - I see Golden Earring is re-releasing an album - was originally 5 songs for the American release, 8 for the European - the press release said something like "did you realize the album version of Radar Love was 8 1/2 minutes longer than the radio version?" or some silly figure figure like that - YES, I realized it, and that's exactly why I could never sit through the album version - still love the radio version though - brings back lots of memories - was funny though because I read that right after I talked about that kind of thing Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 08:53:52 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 ft East gig Alistair, << So, in aid of my homework for the Gareth Williams memorial concert, are there any dead cert, must-have cd's I should buy? >> This Heat's superb back catalogue is curated by the excellent These Records in London, whcih is slowly remastering the lot, with the band's approval. They reissued Deceit last year (one of my most played CDs of the past few months, absolutely awesome) but last time I was in they had almost run out - though there will be subsequent pressings. The eponymous first album was being remastered at the time - this is before Gareth died - so I've no idea if it was finished. Relations between the three members had thawed of late, but the reissue process was slow. Hopefully it will be out this year. Also available is the Health & Efficiency 12in (as a 3in CD), the Peel Sessions (Made Available) and an album of remixes called Repeat. All excellent, you should own them all. Give These a call to see if they've still got any copies of Deceit left. If they haven't, buy whatever they have. Original vinyl (or earlier reissues) go for big money on ebay, despite the new (better) reissues... THESE RECORDS. 112 BROOK DRIVE. LONDON. SE11 4TQ. tel: +44 (0)207 587 5349 fax: +44 (0)207 582 5278 www.theserecords.com Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 05:55:14 -0800 (PST) From: mrbollocks Subject: [idealcopy] Video Conversion Here's something that might be helpful: > Go to http://www.vcdhelp.com/rmto.htm and this will > show you how to convert from rm to an avi . Follow > the links there to convert further. > ESH converts into an 11meg fullscreen SVCD format > (mpeg2) file playable on a DVD and doesnt look too > bad , considering the stretch even on a 28" wide > screen tv. I`m posting this here so everyone who > sent me an email will all see where I`ve learnt from > - no quick fix is available . You really only need > to convert if either 1.you hate realmedia (like me) > 2.you wish to convert to either vcd(mpeg1) or > svcd(mpeg2) in order to play on your dvd player (if > it accepts them)and you have a cd writer . This site > will tell you if your dvd player is compatible with > vcds or svcds etc and links to all the tools > required (ALL freeware as well).I`m not into > rewriting the bible and reading the tutorials from > this site will tell you practically everything you > need to know and all the software . If you are > capturing video I can give you a few tips there > which aren`t covered on this site . HL specific > points about this are , there are few sites where I > got concert clips , totp performances (3) and some > video clips . With these instructions you can make > your own HL videodiscs or just on your hd. Beg > pardon if I`ve repeated myself or strayed of the HL > path to much . If it all seems to technical , then > I`m sorry but there is no easy , quick way and I`m > sorry again but I won`t be converting and cutting > discs for others . > > ps I`ve left as much detail out as I can ===== . /\/\/\ { . . } /\ -- -bollocks! (R)GWS Ltdhttp://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 11:03:31 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Chicago etc. ><< I'm still here--list and Chicago. Didn't make it to the meeting: when we > got there I decided I just wanted to get in line ... also, I'm not the > world's leading social person. ;) > > Michael Flaherty >so next time, don't be bothered, they'll make it easy for you > >Laurel I really appreciate that, although the forming line played a part in my decision too. At the Metro if you want to sit AND see, you got to get there early! Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 12:52:20 -0500 From: "Creaig Dunton" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] ad music > speaking of unexpected songs emitting from one's tv, someone may well have > mentioned this, but if so i've missed it ... killing joke's '80s is the > theme song (albeit very quickly excerpted, so much so that i couldn't tell > if it's the actual song or some dreadful nu-metal outfit's cover) 'tis a cover I do believe...the couple of times I've seen the show, the vocals don't sound quite like Jaz. Ironically enough, the TV spots they were promoting the show with featured the original Killing Joke version. - --Creaig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 13:59:04 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Jamie Gumm/Buffalo Bill i watched Silence of the Lambs last night (with a friend who had never seen the film) and boy oh boy is that scene creepy where Colin Newman's "Alone" was playing in the back ground.....what a great song (and film).....AMC (American Movie Classics) is showing Werner Herzog's "Nosferatu" later this week...That will be a treat not only for the great take on the vampire but also for the superb soundtrack from Popol Vuh....by the way is it pronounced v-uh or v-ooh???? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:54:42 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Jamie Gumm/Buffalo Bill Heeey, I never knew that. I'll watch again. Thnx for tip. Bart > i watched Silence of the Lambs last night (with a friend who had never seen > the film) and boy oh boy is that scene creepy where Colin Newman's "Alone" > was playing in the back ground.....what a great song (and film)..... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 15:46:27 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ad music Blam! from the first album. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, February 11, 2002 4:53 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ad music > In a message dated 2/11/02 11:45:28 AM, sjgraziano@hotmail.com writes: > > << I meant Swell Maps, not TVP's ... >> > > wow, this could be an even stranger choice...what song? > > -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:35:34 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ad music Sort of the same thing happened on That 70s show. Big Star's "In The Street" jazzed up, though still sounding very Chiltonesque is the theme song. It might even have been the Posies or someone like that. Anyway, this season it's another version with what seems like the cast singing. There was never such a pure 70s band that actually had next to no popular cultural effect in their own decade, though of course the American shakeout of the indie/new wave scene post Big Star is rivalled only by the Velvet Underground - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Creaig Dunton" To: Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:52 PM Subject: RE: [idealcopy] ad music > > speaking of unexpected songs emitting from one's tv, someone may well have > > mentioned this, but if so i've missed it ... killing joke's '80s is the > > theme song (albeit very quickly excerpted, so much so that i couldn't tell > > if it's the actual song or some dreadful nu-metal outfit's cover) > > 'tis a cover I do believe...the couple of times I've seen the show, the > vocals don't sound quite like Jaz. Ironically enough, the TV spots they > were promoting the show with featured the original Killing Joke version. > > --Creaig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:37:11 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Jamie Gumm/Buffalo Bill The last time I watched Nosferatu, I tried to sync it up w/ Faust's "Wakes Nosferatu" CD, but the music kept going out of time w/ the story. - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 1:59 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Jamie Gumm/Buffalo Bill > i watched Silence of the Lambs last night (with a friend who had never seen > the film) and boy oh boy is that scene creepy where Colin Newman's "Alone" > was playing in the back ground.....what a great song (and film).....AMC > (American Movie Classics) is showing Werner Herzog's "Nosferatu" later this > week...That will be a treat not only for the great take on the vampire but > also for the superb soundtrack from Popol Vuh....by the way is it pronounced > v-uh or v-ooh???? > > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 17:25:26 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FAO Dan - instrumentals - we goss-a problem In a message dated 12/02/02 08:09:42 GMT Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > well, fine bands *are* certainly capable of occasionally straying into > instrumentral-land, witness the buzzcocks' own away from the pulsebeat, a > pretty sound effort. ////i think you meant "late for the train" or walking distance" dan. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 16:45:14 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] Re: mozzer/nostrils Syarzhuk sez: >>I believe the Grateful Dead worked "copacetic" into one of their songs. >Pearl Jam used it in, I believe "Dirty Frank" I can't remember the Pearl Jam, or if this has been mentioned, but Local H's "Down To the Floor" prominently uses the word "copacetic." later, Miles, who can't wait for the new Local H, as PACK UP THE CATS was one of his favorite albums of 1998 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:58:15 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FAO Dan - instrumentals - we goss-a problem no doubt you're right ... damned illness. encroaching senility doesn't come with flu-like symptoms, does it? dan >In a message dated 12/02/02 08:09:42 GMT Standard Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > > >> well, fine bands *are* certainly capable of occasionally straying into >> instrumentral-land, witness the buzzcocks' own away from the pulsebeat, a >> pretty sound effort. > >////i think you meant "late for the train" or walking distance" dan. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:59:48 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ad music i haven't watched it this season (the 3rd?), but i guess they're changing the rendition of the theme song every year. the first season was, i think, alex chilton himself doing an updated version. 2nd year was cheap trick. dan >Sort of the same thing happened on That 70s show. Big Star's "In The >Street" jazzed up, though still sounding very Chiltonesque is the theme >song. It might even have been the Posies or someone like that. Anyway, >this season it's another version with what seems like the cast singing. >There was never such a pure 70s band that actually had next to no popular >cultural effect in their own decade, though of course the American shakeout >of the indie/new wave scene post Big Star is rivalled only by the Velvet >Underground >----- Original Message ----- >From: "Creaig Dunton" >To: >Sent: Tuesday, February 12, 2002 12:52 PM >Subject: RE: [idealcopy] ad music > > >> > speaking of unexpected songs emitting from one's tv, someone may well >have >> > mentioned this, but if so i've missed it ... killing joke's '80s is the >> > theme song (albeit very quickly excerpted, so much so that i couldn't >tell >> > if it's the actual song or some dreadful nu-metal outfit's cover) >> >> 'tis a cover I do believe...the couple of times I've seen the show, the >> vocals don't sound quite like Jaz. Ironically enough, the TV spots they >> were promoting the show with featured the original Killing Joke version. >> >> --Creaig ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 20:08:08 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Jamie Gumm/Buffalo Bill must try to remember to look that one up & tape it (having gotten cable last month for the first time in 11 years, of course the only thing i ever use it for is to watch the noncable networks that i was able to pull in with rabbit ears in little rock), never having seen herzog's nosferatu. saw the original only once, about 23 years ago, in film class ... did rent the intriguing pseudo-behind-the-scenes mark the vampire a few months ago. if memory serves (i've got the soundtrack vinyl around here somewhere), the first, pre-anthony hopkins hannibal lecter flick, manhunter (from '86 or so, directed by michael mann in what was possibly his first post-miami-vice effort), featured quite a bit of shriekback (possibly original to the movie?) & perhaps a couple of other vaguely like-minded bands as well. i never watched 1 minute of miami vice, but i gather it featured some pretty good, esoteric bands, so perhaps that only follows. dan >i watched Silence of the Lambs last night (with a friend who had never seen >the film) and boy oh boy is that scene creepy where Colin Newman's "Alone" >was playing in the back ground.....what a great song (and film).....AMC >(American Movie Classics) is showing Werner Herzog's "Nosferatu" later this >week...That will be a treat not only for the great take on the vampire but >also for the superb soundtrack from Popol Vuh....by the way is it pronounced >v-uh or v-ooh???? > >Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 18:24:33 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [OT] Copacetic (was Re: [idealcopy] Re: mozzer/nostrils) >Syarzhuk sez: > >>I believe the Grateful Dead worked "copacetic" into one of their songs. > >Pearl Jam used it in, I believe "Dirty Frank" > >I can't remember the Pearl Jam, or if this has been mentioned, but Local >H's "Down To the Floor" prominently uses the word "copacetic." > As someone who lives in Seattle, I better know the answer to this! (^_^) Pearl Jam - Dirty Frank (excerpt, 2nd verse) Dirty frank. A Dirty frank yeah A Dirty frank ooh A Dirty frank yea oh Keeps it clean. a keeps it copaseptic A little boys and girls their heads are all collected. A not crazy. a per se Just a little strange when he gets hungry. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:19:07 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ACR At 04:30 10/02/2002 -0500, you wrote: >I've never heard ACR but I am curious so I just grabbed a copy of >'Force' off eBay. This apparently was their last Factory album. Anyone >heard this one? > >Eric Starting on ACR with 'Force' is a bit like starting with Wire by hearing 'A Bell is a Cup' . A very good record but not the whole story. It does feature 'Mickey Way' is a fantastic example of 80s White Funk, as much as Yashar by Cabaret Voltaire, or the 23 Skidoo stuff. My copy is the Factory cassette which features 'Si Firmo O Grido' which showcases ACR doing a fantastic percussive 'street samba', which has always been a highlight when I've seen them live Andy Connell had joined by then, so a few tracks have a feel of his later band 'Swing Out Sister'...but mostly its a pretty good record....basically a more polished, jazzy version of their early 80s stuff. Anyway, ACR must be a great band because whenever they are mentioned on this list several members have lots of info to offer so they must have done something right! ________________________________________ Monster monster www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 02:24:28 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! Dan wrote: >perhaps my problems with the cocteaus somehow stem from the fact that back >around '83 or so they had probably the most ridiculously hideous haircuts on >the face of the earth I spent most of my university years trying to have the haircut of Simon Raymonde from the Cocteau Twins. I failed miserably and looked more like Robin Guthrie. I still think Liz Fraser is one of the most beautiful women to have walked the planet. If that makes me a sad git, then so be it. At least I don't like the Cranes! Wayhay!!!!! ________________________________________ Monster monster www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 19:11:53 -0800 From: "John M Campbell" Subject: [idealcopy] recording to hard drive Hi, I'm attempting (for the 1st time!) to record some cassettes to my hard drive in order to burn some cds. I find that I can't get the 'record' levels up to where I normally like them. I'm using Win xp and Win 98, with the sliders on all of the relevant apps I can find pushed all the way up. Any ideas? thanks, johnc ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:06:54 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ACR aggravatingly enough, sextet seems to be the only 1 of the first 3 vinyl lp's missing from my shelves. i'd *swear* on a stack of trouser press record guides that i own that one. *sigh* dan >At 04:30 10/02/2002 -0500, you wrote: >>I've never heard ACR but I am curious so I just grabbed a copy of >>'Force' off eBay. This apparently was their last Factory album. Anyone >>heard this one? >> >>Eric > >Starting on ACR with 'Force' is a bit like starting with Wire by hearing 'A >Bell is a Cup' . A very good record but not the whole story. > >It does feature 'Mickey Way' is a fantastic example of 80s White Funk, as >much as Yashar by Cabaret Voltaire, or the 23 Skidoo stuff. >My copy is the Factory cassette which features 'Si Firmo O Grido' which >showcases ACR doing a fantastic percussive 'street samba', which has always >been a highlight when I've seen them live > >Andy Connell had joined by then, so a few tracks have a feel of his later >band 'Swing Out Sister'...but mostly its a pretty good record....basically >a more polished, jazzy version of their early 80s stuff. > >Anyway, ACR must be a great band because whenever they are mentioned on >this list several members have lots of info to offer so they must have done >something right! > > > > > >________________________________________ >Monster monster >www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 12 Feb 2002 21:14:06 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! >Dan wrote: > >>perhaps my problems with the cocteaus somehow stem from the fact that back >>around '83 or so they had probably the most ridiculously hideous haircuts on >>the face of the earth > >I spent most of my university years trying to have the haircut of Simon >Raymonde from the Cocteau Twins. I failed miserably and looked more like >Robin Guthrie. probably a frying-pan/fire situation. i had no real trouble emulating robert smith's haircut, but then come to think of it i also had no real trouble making the people at work so nervous that they finally fired me a year ago tomorrow. hmmm ... > >I still think Liz Fraser is one of the most beautiful women to have walked >the planet. > >If that makes me a sad git, then so be it. At least I don't like the >Cranes! Wayhay!!!!! have to admit i probably haven't taken a look at her since videos from some of those absurdly preciously titled little videos (icy peppermint snowblink trembling teardrops luck, or some such silliness ... not, i admit, that all of the cranes' stuff exactly reads like a discharge track-listing) were playing on mtv back around '87 or so. perhaps her hair has finally reached post-skafish tolerability, which would help. not that i mind looking at the cranes' singer at all. dan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:09:03 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] recording to hard drive John wrote <> I recently did this for the first time. I took the advice of CNet & downloaded 'Musicmatch Jukebox' which they recommend for analogue/digital recording Basically you adjust the volume control of the source machine until it sounds ok through the pc speakers there are one or two other things but nothing exotic or difficult, believe me if I can do it, you can... A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:17:06 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] Jamie Gumm/Buffalo Bill RLynn thus... << That will be a treat not only for the great take on the vampire but also for the superb soundtrack from Popol Vuh....'>> not to mention Isabelle Adjani...oh golly gosh! A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 08:39:41 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] Re: mozzer/nostrils Miles thus <> Now I never thought this was such an unusual word to hear in a song lyric I can't quote the tunes but both Dr John and Lee Scratch Perry I have heard use it...I took it to be N'Orleans patois meaning cool & funky or somesuch...can anyone supply the definitive meaning? A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 13 Feb 2002 10:41:25 +0200 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nosferatu/Jamie Gumm on 12/02/02 23:37, Stephen Graziano at sjgraziano@hotmail.com wrote: > The last time I watched Nosferatu, I tried to sync it up w/ Faust's "Wakes > Nosferatu" CD, but the music kept going out of time w/ the story. Faust's version was based on Murnau silent masterpiece. I tried doing the same but it's quite impossible for the following reasons: 1. The CD is edited. 2. There are lots of Nosferatu versions, each with its own length. Even if you had the unedited version of the music you'd still have to find the movie version Faust used for it to work. As for Silence of the Lambs, it also has the Fall's Hip Priest in it. cheers, giluz ps. God am I glad Wire didn't use High Time as the title for their new album. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #46 ******************************