From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #44 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, February 11 2002 Volume 05 : Number 044 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes!/2 [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] ot Nuggets II ["Andrew Lumbard" ] [idealcopy] O.T the RUTTLES [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] ACR [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] ACR [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! [JH3 ] Re: [idealcopy] ACR [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] ACR [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] ACR [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] High Time? [eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang)] Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] 20 year mystery song online [Edward Stepek Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! comparing Kravitz to Hendrix (both fine musicians imho),is stupid,it's like comparing colin to elvis because they're both white!Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 07:53:34 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes!/2 ...or rather,because they're both white and sing.Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 07:56:31 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] shriekback/all lined up c.d's Whoever asked me to do a couple of S/B c.d's still hasn't 'stepped forward' and DJ,YOU still haven't sent me your address yet.Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 10:59:07 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! In a message dated 2/10/02 9:53:25 AM Central Standard Time, luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: > comparing Kravitz to Hendrix (both fine musicians > imho),is stupid,it's like comparing colin to elvis > because they're both white!Ari > no, i disagree...i think the comparison was made not based on skin color but on the fact that Kravitz is a talentless slob who wants to be Hendrix in the worst way...Kravitz is (in my mind) just a retro-60's look..nothing more...if he didn't make videos or grace the covers of magazines nobody would give a crap about his music because it is so boring... Robert (very opinionated at 10 am after a sleepless night) Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:01:49 -0000 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: [idealcopy] ot Nuggets II Today I am mostly listening to the terrific 4 cd compilation of 60's psychdelia in the form of Nuggets II. See link for details. I acquired 3 of these box sets from a source, all unopened and selo-wrapped. Which basically means I have two for sale to any interested parties on the list. Shall we say 15 GBP plus p&p? First come first served. Mail me off list. http://www.rhino.com/features/76787p.html?P= AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 09:49:29 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] O.T the RUTTLES Does anyone have any Ruttles stuff,or the J.Peel Sessions to trade?Ari ===== everything in moderation is good for you,including excess. Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 14:51:14 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ACR In a message dated 2/8/02 11:09:00 PM, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: << Where did you hear about this ACR re-issue thing? Is there a tracklisting? >> i haven't seen a tracklisting, and there doesn't seem to be mention of the upcoming cd at the website, but someone on the factory mailing list had received the info from souljazz. the title of the acr comp is "early" and is supposed to feature what the title implies, plus rare and b-sides sorta stuff. good site for acr though...and check out the upcoming gig! you lucky bastards on THAT side of the pond :o) here's the link to the band site. there's a link to souljazz there.acr:mcr http://www.acrmcr.com/ cheers, paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 15:24:50 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! In a message dated 2/10/02 11:01:26 AM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: << luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: > comparing Kravitz to Hendrix (both fine musicians > imho),is stupid,it's like comparing colin to elvis > because they're both white!Ari > no, i disagree...i think the comparison was made not based on skin color but on the fact that Kravitz is a talentless slob who wants to be Hendrix >> i am not a kravitz fan, but i wouldn't say he's talentless. i think he falls more into that category of talented (technically) musicians who have bad taste (or don't play tastefully). i think the comparison was fair, given the context, that the cocteau twins are the original masters and the cranes are an imitation (i'm not too familiar with the cranes mind you, i just view the reply to the first post this way), hence the menswear vs wire example alongside kravitz vs hendrix. anyway, speaking of talented musicians with the potential to veer into above mentioned territory...has anyone heard the collaboration between stewart co peland, the bass player from primus (his name slips my mind), and the guitarist from phish (i have no idea who he is, though i've been told (by deadheads) he's a "great guitar player"). cheers, paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 17:20:55 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ACR << I'd steer clear of anything post Factory apart from the brilliant 'ACR:MCR' mini LP ...>> In a message dated 2/9/02 5:25:25 AM, eric719@webtv.net writes: I've never heard ACR but I am curious so I just grabbed a copy of 'Force' off eBay. This apparently was their last Factory album. Anyone heard this one? >> i like force. it was their last factory release. it's definitely a step in the direction of their later "slicker smooth jazz" work, but contains some very cool songs like bootsy, and then she smiles, and the amusing mickey way (more amusing if you're familiar with the national lampoon record the sample comes from, hehe). of the later acr stuff, i have "four for the floor" and "repercussions" and like them both, though not nearly as much as the very early work. it's really not even fair to compare the old and the new (punny, sorry) as the same band...even though they basically are. anyway...enjoy! - -paul c.d. p.s. "the old and the new" is a rather cool compilation lp of acr's factory output that came as a 12" with a 7" attached on front. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 18:04:03 -0600 From: JH3 Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! > perhaps my problems with the cocteaus somehow > stem from the fact that back around '83 or so they > had probably the most ridiculously hideous haircuts on > the face of the earth ... fraser looked sort of like jim > skafish (minus, of course, the nose), god help her. Dan's right - the haircuts were a *serious* problem during the formative phase of the band. I didn't go anywhere near their first two LP's until after they'd already released "The Pink Opaque." After that, though, I had to have everything! I even got a copy of their best-of CD for Christmas last year, when I should have been asking for CD's by bands like Idaho, Doves, and Elbow. Dan also brings up an important point in that the surgery Liz had to repair the "fork" in her tongue (I believe this was 1985 or so) made a HUGE difference in her vocal delivery - it was like night and day, going from "Peppermint Pig" to "Head Over Heels." And of course, by the time "Victorialand" was released, you couldn't even detect the scarring anymore! Compare that to some of the work done on Michael Jackson's nose, just for one example... (Jim Skafish, eh? Now THERE's a name you wish you could avoid hearing ever again! Thanks a LOT, Dan!) I realize I only post to this list once every couple of months, but I'd just like to add that I, too, prefer Blancmange to Julian Cope. I can't explain it, in fact I actually hate myself for it, but there it is. I've even seen both acts live, and I *still* preferred Blancmange. It's just freaking weird, if you ask me. John "always on the lookout" Hedges ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:57:35 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ACR Not really. Only three of the Graveyard & the ballroom line-up stayed there after I'd like to see you again. The big change came when Simon Topping (the original driving force behind the band - no doubt about that) and Peter Terrel (the non-musician, who created the noise and atmospheric effects) left. Mark << it's really not even fair to compare the old and the new (punny, sorry) as the same band...even though they basically are. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:06:01 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ACR In a message dated 2/10/02 7:58:57 PM, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: << Not really. Only three of the Graveyard & the ballroom line-up stayed there after I'd like to see you again. The big change came when Simon Topping (the original driving force behind the band - no doubt about that) and Peter Terrel (the non-musician, who created the noise and atmospheric effects) left. Mark << it's really not even fair to compare the old and the new (punny, sorry) as the same band...even though they basically are. >> >> i guess i should've said they're tangentially the same band as the early line-up! you are very right about the big change being when simon topping left. that is for sure. in my own defense, i did say it wasn't fair to compare the two...that was the gist of the message. just listened to force and realised how much i liked (and just about forgot about) the song "take me down"...and i neglected to mention earlier that i think acr are possibly the only band to successfully use the soprano sax (since coltrane), even if it is the weakest sound in the mix. also listened to sextet this morning. what a great album :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 21:23:55 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ACR Paul, << i guess i should've said they're tangentially the same band as the early line-up! you are very right about the big change being when simon topping left. that is for sure. in my own defense, i did say it wasn't fair to compare the two...that was the gist of the message. >> ACR played a storming gig in Blackpool just before Christmas 82, which was probably the last with Peter Terrel. Next time I saw them was in London about 6 weeks later and they weren't half as good.... Simon T left just after that, and the big change happened then - they played a double-header with Psychic TV at Hammersmith Town Hall in 84 by which time they'd ditched a lot of the salsa jams (a ST obsession) and had become much more song-based - this would have been before Force - with Jez Kerr handling most of the vocals (quite competently - we always knew he could sing as he'd done some early voclas with Durutti Column). And that was pretty much how they stayed from then on. Looking forward to seeing what they'll be like now - I don't think I've seen them since that Hammersmith gig! So that's ACR back in business - Crispy Ambulance are already working on a new LP and should be playing this year too. Not heard anything from Section 25 since they posted those reherasal demos on the web site, but they're expected back too this year.... The 1981 Factory roster is back with us! Just so long as Crawling Chaos don't bother to reform ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 19:28:09 -0800 (PST) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: [idealcopy] High Time? Amazon.com is listing a new Wire album called 'High Time' as coming out this Tuesday. Anyone else noticed this? Is this correct? Eric ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 22:16:40 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT:The Appalling Cranes! >I realize I only post to this list once every couple of months, >but I'd just like to add that I, too, prefer Blancmange to >Julian Cope. I can't explain it, in fact I actually hate myself >for it, but there it is. I've even seen both acts live, and I >*still* preferred Blancmange. It's just freaking weird, if >you ask me. > >John "always on the lookout" Hedges well, consider yourself flagellated, then. wish i could come up with a suitable slander from the nme for blancmange, but that'll have to be someone else's department. i really don't feel like becoming hysterical over other people's tastes, myself. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 10 Feb 2002 23:24:12 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ACR In a message dated 2/10/02 9:23:55 PM, Mark Bursa writes: << Looking forward to seeing what they'll be like now - I don't think I've seen them since that Hammersmith gig!>> i saw them in 86 with new order and they were awesome. it was pretty much exactly the show that was released on the live album from that tour. i would've loved to have seen em around the time of "to each"... <> ooh, bad boy...hehe. now if the wake would get up and about!!! wowee! not sure how much (if any) of this wonderful stuff will make it back across the pond though, so :o( .... - -paul c.d. n.p. cabaret voltaire-hai! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:10:40 -0000 From: Ian Calder Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Wire's setup Just a small observation and an opportunity to remind anyone who hasn't already viewed them of some grainy snaps from The Garage gigs in 2000 - Graham was using both the Precision and the headless basses at the Garage. Witness to the fact... http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/aktivitaet/wire/egl.htm Ian Date: Fri, 8 Feb 2002 20:09:46 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wires setup << Anyone know what type of instruments wire is using now? exact gear etc. >> Colin was using Danelectro guitars recently (though he still had his famous Ovation Breadwinner at the RFH) Graham has gone back to Fender Preceision basses (as in 70s Wire) rather than the Steinberger 'headless rail' basses he used throughout the 80s. He used to have a genuine one but git it nicked - now I think he has the Hohner version. He uses the P-bass most of the time but used the Hohner for the He Said set at the RFH. Bruce uses some anonymous-looking but fearsone-sounding modern guitars that are custom set-up. He uses two different tunings, one of which is open. Don't know about amps - never really studied the back line. Clearly there are a few effects in use as well. Robert has added a few more drums to his minimal 80s kit (just bass, snare, hi-hat). Obviously in the studio it all changes and much more technology is used. But that was the basic live set-up in 2000. Mark - ------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 11 Feb 2002 09:25:14 -0000 From: Edward Stepek Subject: [idealcopy] 20 year mystery song online For anyone that's interested, The '20 year mystery song' can now be downloaded in full (well it cuts at the end)from audiogalaxy under that name. I'll keep it online every day from 8:30 to 16:00. I've just got the feeling that it will remain a mystery forever ! *********************************************************************** This e-mail, and any attachment, is privileged information and its contents are confidential to the intended recipient at the e-mail address to which it has been addressed. It may not be disclosed to or used by anyone other than this addressee. 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