From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #38 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, February 5 2002 Volume 05 : Number 038 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] [OT] [CD LIST] Everybody loves a CD history... [David Tur] [idealcopy] Everybody loves a cd history [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] set sale [MarkBursa@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] Only Ones ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: good excuses ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Only Ones [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] 20 Year Mystery Song [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] 20 Year Mystery Song ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Re: Belew [Michael Flaherty ] RE: [idealcopy] OT Duran Duran [repeated word, click to ignore] ["Eric Kl] RE: [idealcopy] Vivid Riot of White ["Eric Klaver" ] RE: [idealcopy] Vivid Riot of White [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] Vivid Riot of White [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: free-form "hippy" instrumentals [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: free-form "hippy" instrumentals [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: free-form "hippy" instrumentals [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: free-form "hippy" instrumentals [Michael Flaherty ] [idealcopy] Very OT (some Wire content) [BillyD ] [idealcopy] Fwd: Lock Up Your Knees [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] [idealcopy] missive from Graeme [Miles Goosens ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:40:32 -0000 From: David Turnbull Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT] [CD LIST] Everybody loves a CD history... me too - "Vivid Riot of Red" was always my least favourite Wire track..... > -----Original Message----- > From: [SMTP:] > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 1:01 AM > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] [CD LIST] Everybody loves a CD > history... > > re : Toshack Highway (sic) > >I somehow doubt whether Mr I Jackson of this parish (Pres. of BTB) will > be > >swayed by this group's name ;-) > > now if they were called McKenzie Latchford i'd be a lot more interested. > > (again, apologies to non-football fans...) > > ian.s.j. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. This e-mail (and any attachments) is confidential and may contain personal views which are not the views of the BBC unless specifically stated. If you have received it in error, please delete it from your system, do not use, copy or disclose the information in any way nor act in reliance on it and notify the sender immediately. Please note that the BBC monitors e-mails sent or received. Further communication will signify your consent to this. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:59:11 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] Everybody loves a cd history >>the upcoming Super Bowl game between the St. Louis Rams and New England Patriots...so what?! Enough already! St. Louis will win and it won't mean a thing Best stick to 'proper' football then, my man... hehe A ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 08:34:02 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Everybody loves a cd history In a message dated 2/4/02 4:59:54 AM Central Standard Time, alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk writes: > Best stick to 'proper' football then, my man... > > hehe > > A > HAHHAHAHHAHHHA! Yes, the big upset made me very happy... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:44:05 +0100 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] re:the last word on devoto > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: Bart van Damme [mailto:bartvandamme@home.nl] > Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Januar 2002 12:18 > An: PaulRabjohn@aol.com > Cc: wire-news > Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] re:the last word on devoto > > > > somebody on their bulletin board is talking about a german > tv show called > > "scene 78" which magazine played on. this is the same show > wire did "practice > > makes perfect" on around that time. a thought ; anybody > know a source for > > german video bits? what with these plus rockpalast i guess > there must have > > been a stack of great stuff over the years that isn't in > circulation at all. p > > Groningen [Holland] is closer to the german border than Amsterdam. We > receive lotsa kraut-tv here, but they tend to synchronize > every non-german > bits. Picture Colin singing in german with his mouth all out > of sync. ;-) > Well, ok, the music is untouched of course, but I just hate > synchronised > telly or -cinema! Gimme subtitles anytime! > > But perhaps this is something for "Bavarian" Frank of whom > we've not heard > much lately. Frank...? Sorry, but I don't know of a source for this stuff from so long ago on "public" TV. That is of a time where there was almost no music (besides Rockpalast) on TV in Germany. Nowadays, with MTV and viva and lots of trash like Bro'Sis on commercial TV such old gems like Scene78 are long forgotten. regards, FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:04:49 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ad music It seems quite the trend, at least in the USA for car ads to feature really cool music. We've had Pyshic TV and Nick Drake and Television Personalities, along with the Who. Caddilac is using Zeplin's "Rock and Roll" now, but my personal fave is T Rex's "20th Century Boy". That riff just jumps off the screen .... - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan bailey" To: "idealcopy" Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 1:07 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ad music > it's not exactly the usual topic here (though if we're discussing wizzard, > etc ...), but just how sad is it that i got excited a few minutes ago upon > hearing the faces' ooh la la on the tv in the front room as the theme for a > mitsubishi ad? maybe ronnie lane's descendants are getting a bit of money > ... > > dan ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:18:37 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] set sale Yes please Mark << another set sale, with some rare-ish and not so rare items to sell. First come first served. Ask for list. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 10:09:40 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Only Ones On the weekend I saw a VH1 Duran Duran "Behind the Music" where Lou Reed said that he liked the Duran version of Perfect Day. Additionally, he said that he would have liked to sing the song the way Simon le Boner did if only he could have. Yikes! IMHO any cover they do is quite horrible starting with their version of Fame. Nevertheless, if they did a cover of Mr. Suit... Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of RLynn9@aol.com Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 4:28 PM To: keith.astbury10@virgin.net; idealcopy@smoe.org; PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Only Ones In a message dated 2/1/02 3:25:02 PM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << <> Yes, that was a bit harsh!....I happen to think that the first Duran Duran album as well as RIO are really entertaining..."Planet Earth" is a corker of a New Romantic tune...the cd that collects ALL the "Night Mixes" is really good too! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:56:04 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: good excuses This HAS to be taken from a crossword clue - along with Whilst Climbing Thieves Vie for Attention Hung Up to Dry Whilst Building an Arch Eggs Refuse to Clear up Pope Mystery (or whatever that postcard was called) Eels Sang Lino (anag) Any answers? - ----- Original Message ----- > > " A group of fliers make a staunch denial of fiddling the weights. > > They're dispatched to the southern extremities" > > > > Now find me a bettter opening lyric than THAT! > > > > Mark > > > bloody hell. seeing it on the page like that...it looks like something mark > e. smith might pen. totally wired indeed. > keith > (i'm really going to bed this time) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:13:56 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Only Ones In a message dated 2/4/02 9:05:23 AM Central Standard Time, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: << On the weekend I saw a VH1 Duran Duran "Behind the Music" where Lou Reed said that he liked the Duran version of Perfect Day. Additionally, he said that he would have liked to sing the song the way Simon le Boner did if only he could have. Yikes! IMHO any cover they do is quite horrible starting with their version of Fame. Nevertheless, if they did a cover of Mr. Suit... Eric in Toronto >> by the way, out of curiosity, what albums were the covers Perfect Day and Fame from?i only have the Duran Duran albums up to Notorius....i don't seem to remember either of these...thanks, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:17:05 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 20 Year Mystery Song In a message dated 2/1/02 8:55:10 AM Central Standard Time, ed@stepek.fsnet.co.uk writes: << Hi, I've been following the recent thread about identifying post-punk songs from basic descriptions and some lyrics with some interest. In common with many of you, I used to regularly tape the Peel show in the late 70's and early 80's. Some time in the mid-80's I made a compilation of the best stuff that I hadn't got elsewhere, however there was one song that Peel had not identified and it's been a mystery to me for the best part of 20 years ! Style-wise is very early New Order-ish, mid-paced, military style drums, big bass, ethereal synths and, most tellingly, a melodica floats in and out during the song. Lyrics, as far as I can make out, start like this : "Stranger where are you taking me We passed my stop an hour ago Do I know what day it is I'm in too deep to turn back now" Any info most gratefully accepted. >> Did you ever figure out what song this is?...It sounds vaguely familiar to me but i cannot place it just yet....i'll keep trying... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:36:31 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 20 Year Mystery Song > Some time in the mid-80's I made a compilation of the best stuff that I > hadn't got elsewhere, however there was one song that Peel had not identified > and it's been a mystery to me for the best part of 20 years ! Style-wise is > very early New Order-ish, mid-paced, military style drums, big bass, ethereal > synths and, most tellingly, a melodica floats in and out during the song. > Lyrics, as far as I can make out, start like this : > > > "Stranger where are you taking me > We passed my stop an hour ago > Do I know what day it is > I'm in too deep to turn back now" > > Any info most gratefully accepted. > > > > Did you ever figure out what song this is?...It sounds vaguely familiar to me > but i cannot place it just yet....i'll keep trying... > > Robert i'm hopeless on lyrics to be honest. i know that dead or alive had a hit in 1985 with a song called 'in too deep', but it's been a long time since i've heard it and i can't recall what the lyrics were (or whether there was a melodica on it). just a possibility... keith ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:38:02 -0800 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re:the last word on devoto I have a fairly poor copy of Wire on that doing PMP, it's occasionally in colour too. Awfully mimed. Uri - -----Original Message----- From: Woerner Frank To: 'Bart van Damme' ; PaulRabjohn@aol.com Cc: wire-news Date: Monday, February 04, 2002 5:51 AM Subject: AW: [idealcopy] re:the last word on devoto >> -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >> Von: Bart van Damme [mailto:bartvandamme@home.nl] >> Gesendet: Mittwoch, 30. Januar 2002 12:18 >> An: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >> Cc: wire-news >> Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] re:the last word on devoto >> >> >> > somebody on their bulletin board is talking about a german >> tv show called >> > "scene 78" which magazine played on. this is the same show >> wire did "practice >> > makes perfect" on around that time. a thought ; anybody >> know a source for >> > german video bits? what with these plus rockpalast i guess >> there must have >> > been a stack of great stuff over the years that isn't in >> circulation at all. p >> >> Groningen [Holland] is closer to the german border than Amsterdam. We >> receive lotsa kraut-tv here, but they tend to synchronize >> every non-german >> bits. Picture Colin singing in german with his mouth all out >> of sync. ;-) >> Well, ok, the music is untouched of course, but I just hate >> synchronised >> telly or -cinema! Gimme subtitles anytime! >> >> But perhaps this is something for "Bavarian" Frank of whom >> we've not heard >> much lately. Frank...? > >Sorry, but I don't know of a source for this stuff from so long ago on >"public" TV. >That is of a time where there was almost no music (besides Rockpalast) on TV >in Germany. Nowadays, with MTV and viva and lots of trash like Bro'Sis on >commercial TV such old gems like Scene78 are long forgotten. > >regards, > >FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:41:24 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: mozzer/nostrils >I believe the Grateful Dead worked "copacetic" into one of their songs. Pearl Jam used it in, I believe "Dirty Frank" Syarzhuk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 09:48:49 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Only Ones > by the way, out of curiosity, what albums were the covers Perfect Day and > Fame from?i only have the Duran Duran albums up to Notorius....i don't seem > to remember either of these...thanks, From http://www.allmusic.com: Thank You: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=A6bkxu3qhan6k Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 12:32:53 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Belew >From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >/////i can always imagine some adrian belew fans being really upset when they >buy singles by the other bears , as in george gill's awful post-wire "new >wave" act , by accident. i always thought AB was a bit proggy rather than >anything like bob mould. was i wrong? p While I'm not an expert on solo Belew, I've heard enough to tell you it's not much like King Crimson ... or perhaps it's better to say it's not much like Robert Fripp. Most of what I've heard is more "pop" and, not surprisingly, there's more of an emphasis on vocals. Not sure on the Bob Mould comparison. Never saw it, but I was never looking. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:04:09 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT Duran Duran [repeated word, click to ignore] Robert was curious: by the way, out of curiosity, what albums were the covers Perfect Day and Fame from? //////////////////// Fame was the b-side of the Planet Earth single, I believe. Perfect Day, I think, comes from a 1993 album of covers called "Thank You". Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:04:11 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Vivid Riot of White David Turnbull opined: me too - "Vivid Riot of Red" was always my least favourite Wire track..... ///////////////////////////////////// I have been meaning to send this email for about a week and David just handed me the opportunity. The last time I heard IdealCopy in its totality was likely in 1995, just before my turntable broke down. CD copies of the album then, as now, were hard to find for under $25 as the domestic licensee (enigma) went under. Since I have been waiting for it to come up second-hand, but it seems that there is no one out there willing to part with their copy. IdealCopy was my entree to Wire in the 80s. I had just taken a job at a pneumatic parts supplier, located in an industrial strip at the edge of an edge city. With no public transport that went there, I would have to walk across the white frozen tundra of the suburbs. For the six months that I had the job, I would listen daily to IC on my walkman during that walk. Every time I hear the album it reminds me of that walk. It was the only pleasurable aspect of my day. Fast forward to last week. I was finally able to redeem my HMV club card. I bought IdealCopy. It is the first time in a long time That I have listened to it in its entirety. It is also the fist time that I have heard a number of the bonus tracks. I love Ahead (II). If only all remixes were that good. Everything else is exceptional as well with the exception of "Vivid Riot of Red", which would have been better left unheard by me. Nonetheless, I am once again whole. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 11:18:32 -0800 (PST) From: BillyD Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 20 Year Mystery Song It's not the Dead Or Alive song... > i'm hopeless on lyrics to be honest. i know that > dead or alive had a hit in > 1985 with a song called 'in too deep', but it's been > a long time since i've > heard it and i can't recall what the lyrics were (or > whether there was a > melodica on it). just a possibility... > keith ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! 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Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 14:48:23 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Vivid Riot of White I know that most of you hate Depeche Mode but i'll ask anyway...Does anyone know if the song "Zenstation" ( from the new Freelove single ) is instrumental or vocal?...any help would be appreciated...thanks, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 14:27:11 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: free-form "hippy" instrumentals >First two Stooges albums have most of the best but >there's some annoyingly long hippy tracks on there >which I find boring. There's a comp which cuts out >the non essential. >ok the final track 'LA Blues' is just a >free form ramble that's a waste of time, but i just switch it off before >then. Can I assume then that Bruce Gilbert and Graham Lewis suck, too (IYO)? Oh, for a bit of Rowland right here. I'm just not feeling up to the task. ;) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:14:53 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT] [CD LIST] Everybody loves a CD history... David Turnbull wrote : >me too - "Vivid Riot of Red" was always my least favourite Wire track..... hahaha... i suspect this means at least two Everton fans on the IC list. you poor sod... ;) with sympathy, ian.s.j. > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [SMTP:] > > Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 1:01 AM > > To: idealcopy@smoe.org > > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OT] [CD LIST] Everybody loves a CD > > history... > > > > re : Toshack Highway (sic) > > >I somehow doubt whether Mr I Jackson of this parish (Pres. of BTB) will > > be > > >swayed by this group's name ;-) > > > > now if they were called McKenzie Latchford i'd be a lot more interested. > > > > (again, apologies to non-football fans...) > > > > ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 22:06:38 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: free-form "hippy" instrumentals john said > >First two Stooges albums have most of the best but > >there's some annoyingly long hippy tracks on there > >which I find boring. There's a comp which cuts out > >the non essential. in reply to john i said < you said > Can I assume then that Bruce Gilbert and Graham Lewis suck, too (IYO)? what's your point exactly ? i don't particularly like the last track on what i called one of THE great rock albums (it's probably my 2nd favourite ever as it happens), so that means i won't like half the members of one of my fave groups ? (of course they suck. that's why i'm writing to a wire page). strange form of (superior?) reckoning here... > Oh, for a bit of Rowland right here. I'm just not feeling up to the task. > Michael Flaherty it's not a task that's worth feeling up to. k ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:33:50 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wizzard brew not yet Keith, haven't been able to make it back there for a few weeks! i had a feeling this one wasn't going to go away in a hurry!!! ;-) hope it's still there though... later, Ian. Original Message : >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wizzard brew > > > > lord, oh lord, what HAVE i started here????? > > > > blimey... > > > > anyway, the only possible solution now is to buy the bloody thing and >let > > Keith, Stephen and all other interested parties know what I make of it, > > innit?...sweet jesus... ;) > > > > ian.s.j. > > >come on then ian. did you buy it or not ? >the wire world still awaits your verdict !!! >keith _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:41:47 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: free-form "hippy" instrumentals In a message dated 2/4/02 4:34:05 PM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: << > Oh, for a bit of Rowland right here. I'm just not feeling up to the task. > Michael Flaherty it's not a task that's worth feeling up to. k >> uh-oh...do i sense another war brewing??...just when we were recovering from the Graeme-Miletia wars...the DJ Banana-Brit Tossers war..now Astbury-Flaherty war? I suppose we shall ebdure this too...just as long as there aren't any Rowland Warheads dropped....snicker...just having a laugh guys...lighten up! At least your hometown football team didn't blow the big game! Robert (somewhere wiping egg off his face in St. Louis) ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:04:52 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: free-form "hippy" instrumentals >you said >> Can I assume then that Bruce Gilbert and Graham Lewis suck, too (IYO)? > >what's your point exactly ? That G & B, in their solo recordings, tend to play fairly long, very free pieces. So: is it just the Stooges, or do you tend to just not care for the genre in general? so that >means i won't like half the members of one of my fave groups ? (of course >they suck. that's why i'm writing to a wire page). Well, if you loved Wire but hated G &/or B's solo work you'd hardly be the first, here or elsewhere. It certainly wouldn't be enough to stop you from loving Wire as a group or contributing here. > >strange form of (superior?) reckoning here... Why superior? I'd love it if you could answer this because I find when I defend avant-playing people tend to accuse me of trying to be arrogant or superior, or whatever, as if I couldn't possibly be sincere. I tend to defend the styles of music I like if I feel (sometimes incorrectly, and sometimes in too strong of language, I freely admit) that they're being dismissed. > >> Oh, for a bit of Rowland right here. I'm just not feeling up to the task. >> Michael Flaherty > >it's not a task that's worth feeling up to. Oh, yes, it definitely is, but I lack the wit. ;) Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 17:22:37 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: free-form "hippy" instrumentals >uh-oh...do i sense another war brewing??... No. Although is does now seem to be the case that for some disagreement = personal insult. Now if you'll all excuse me, I'm going to play IN ESSE very, very loudly. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 23:34:28 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: free-form "hippy" instrumentals > That G & B, in their solo recordings, tend to play fairly long, very free > pieces. So: is it just the Stooges, or do you tend to just not care for > the genre in general? i only said i didn't like one track! it was john that didn't like the others. i like the long mantra like one (we will fall) on the the first lp, but 'LA Blues' has no structure whatsoever. they used to end their shows playing it and i'm sure it was great live, but on record...well it's just not something i particularly wanna listen to. > Well, if you loved Wire but hated G &/or B's solo work you'd hardly be the > first, here or elsewhere. It certainly wouldn't be enough to stop you from > loving Wire as a group or contributing here. as it happens i'm much more of a newman fan and haven't got much of the G & B stuff, so perhaps you're right. i'm sucker for a good tune - be it 'kidney bingoes' or 'everlasting love' for that matter. and it doesn't matter how well it's disguised either (for example 'never understand' by JAMC) > >strange form of (superior?) reckoning here... > > Why superior? I'd love it if you could answer this... I dunno. that's just how it came across to me. that if i didn't like that long free form thing then i couldn't possibly like Gilbert and lewis, that it was somehow 'beyond me'. (you might well be right!) but in answer to robert's prediction of another na na/brit war brewing, no.... I DON'T WANT A WAR!!! (I'm too tired after the last one. This is supposed to be pleasure!!!) keith p.s. do i take it you like 'funhouse' then ? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 23:47:57 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - S.F.A. Robert wrote : >just last night i saw several copies of a Super Furry Animals cd for .99 >cents at my local shop! Is it worth buying?... at that price, i'd say yeah!! i'm not a 'massive' fan (i've tended to like the singles rather than the LP's i've heard), but, from whatever period, it's well worth it. ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 18:01:26 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: free-form "hippy" instrumentals >i only said i didn't like one track! it was john that didn't like the >others. i like the long mantra like one (we will fall) on the the first lp, Fair enough. >as it happens i'm much more of a newman fan and haven't got much of the G & >B stuff, so perhaps you're right. i'm sucker for a good tune - be it 'kidney >bingoes' or 'everlasting love' for that matter. and it doesn't matter how >well it's disguised either (for example 'never understand' by JAMC) I think it's a strength of Wire that they have that broad appeal. > >> >strange form of (superior?) reckoning here... >> >> Why superior? I'd love it if you could answer this... > >I dunno. that's just how it came across to me. that if i didn't like that >long free form thing then i couldn't possibly like Gilbert and lewis, that >it was somehow 'beyond me'. (you might well be right!) See that's my point, Keith (and not just to you). I didn't say that, nor did I imply it. As you say, my guess that you probably wouldn't care for much solo B & G is probably right. That I would assume some sort of personal superiority ... well, I just don't think like that. but in answer to >robert's prediction of another na na/brit war brewing, no.... > >I DON'T WANT A WAR!!! >(I'm too tired after the last one. This is supposed to be pleasure!!!) On this we're in total agreement. Michael Flaherty >p.s. do i take it you like 'funhouse' then ? Yeah, I do. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 00:00:34 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: free-form "hippy" instrumentals > but in answer to > >robert's prediction of another na na/brit war brewing, no.... > > > >I DON'T WANT A WAR!!! > >(I'm too tired after the last one. This is supposed to be pleasure!!!) > > On this we're in total agreement. > > Michael Flaherty > YEAH. WE'RE ALL ONE HAPPY FAMILY AGAIN! keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 00:09:17 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - S.F.A. > Robert wrote : > >just last night i saw several copies of a Super Furry Animals cd for .99 > >cents at my local shop! Is it worth buying?... > > at that price, i'd say yeah!! > i'm not a 'massive' fan (i've tended to like the singles rather than the > LP's i've heard), but, from whatever period, it's well worth it. > > ian.s.j. > me too - i'd only bought the odd single till the latest album cos i'd heard that track 'its not the end of the world' on 'later'. it's great. the best beach boys record that they never made. they released it as a single recently and it was in the charts - along with the equally brilliant 'dark is rising' by mercury rev - over here the other week, mingling amidst the dross. but 99cents. it doesn't matter which one it is. get in there robert! keith > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 18:47:45 -0800 (PST) From: BillyD Subject: [idealcopy] Very OT (some Wire content) A serious question here: Is anyone one the list self employed? I'm almost 37 & tired of workin' for the man. What's out there? I'd appreciate any help. Cheers, Billy oh yeah... Wire Rules!!! ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 20:10:56 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: Lock Up Your Knees In a message dated 04/02/2002 20:31:11 GMT Standard Time, crackedmac@hotmail.com writes: > OK, Chris. Send this to Ideal Copy if you want... > > Although I unsubscribed from IC, I check the Smoe archive from time to > time. > > I am amused that I seem to get discussed almost as much as Wire... :-O > ...and nearly as much as Blancmange, Julian Cope, Paul Weller, Morrissey > and > the legs of Howard Devoto & Peter Perret > :-( > > And I categorically deny that I am DJ Nana, even though it would've been > quite a funny prank, but one I really wouldn't have the time, silliness or > knowledge of dodgy old eighties chart pop for! Remember I woz rocken' > out(y) > to Sonic Youth, alright? Leave my ghost to rest in pieces! > > Mark Bursa told me about the Wire gig & asked me to resubscribe. Maybe you > could just repost some old posts of mine every week or so. I'm sure people > would hardly notice as the same subjects come up over & over :-) > > As far as conspiracy theories go, consider this (in 250 words or more): > perhaps one of the people accusing me of being Nana is Nana. Wouldn't that > be pitiful? And even more conspiratorial. > > Or is it just a sneaky ploy by someone to get me to come back and save you > all from the retro eighties rut you've been burrowing into? > > How should I know? > > "What you need is" > > Wire gig > > I hope this helps in some small way to alleviate the shocking tensions > caused by Howard Devoto's visible knees. Just be thankful that Mark E Smith > dons long kecks! 'Tis 'Long Keck Smithy'! > > LUYH! > Graeme > > > Cracked Machine > Highly Irregular Cyberzine > http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: > To: > Sent: Friday, February 01, 2002 12:41 AM > Subject: Re: New Email for Cracked Machine > > > > Hi Graeme > > i'm taking a bit of a flyer here- but quite a few members have been > sadly > > reminiscing & eulogising about your former contributions to the Idealcopy > > list & I was wondering whether a very welcome guest appearance would not > be > > in order. > > Especially as an appearance by Wire is shortly upon us & a new album is > in > > the making... > > Yours never humbly > > chriswire > > > For those new IC'er's who have never had the pleasure of Mr Rowlands copy here is proof positive of his existence & for the rest of us comfort (?) in the knowledge he is still in touch & in good form. As usual there seems to be more than an element of truth in his caustic wit.For more (& this is not an advert) visit his Cracked Machine website as I would imagine most of us do from time to time.. Otherwise I have a sneaky feeling he's secretly pleased with all this attention he's getting ! I think I'll concentrate on a few more On Topic issues from now on. Which reminds me ; In the late 70's (79 ?) I remember one weekday evening John Peel publicly announcing an apology to Graham Lewis of Wire for not turning up the previous night for a drink (I suppose this was a pre arranged meeting).Peely pronounced he had felt down & depressed over something to explain his no show. Anyone else remember that or was I dreaming it? Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 04 Feb 2002 22:38:58 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] missive from Graeme Bounced the first time, but on its way via chriswire... All the things we like best about Graeme in A Touching Display. (I'm going for the Wire ref, not irony!) (And no, there's no anti-Graeme filter on the list -- anything >7000 characters bounces to me automatically, and that's a high percentage of Graeme's messages! Wait, that means that it is a de facto anti-Graeme filter, hm...) Do check out his website, as Chris suggests. Hours of entertainment 'n' more. later, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 4 Feb 2002 17:51:50 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wizzard brew just last night i saw several copies of a Super Furry Animals cd for .99 cents at my local shop! Is it worth buying?...I don't remember the title and i do not own anything by them...i don't believe i have heard anything by them...there was also the debut cd by Sister Sonny (Jetset Label) for the same price...I heard that it was atmospheric guitar stuff...maybe i should get both? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 5 Feb 2002 00:16:28 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] set sale Thanks for all who repsonded to the set sale. All the 'juicy' items were sold very quickly. I am preparing another list and will notify when ready. Anyone with any particular requirements then please contact me and I will see if I can help. ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wireviews.org "dreams that money can buy" Send FREE Valentine eCards with Yahoo! Greetings! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #38 ******************************