From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #32 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, January 30 2002 Volume 05 : Number 032 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] 93 Feet East gig ["Uri Baran" ] Re: [idealcopy] Only Ones [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] pea brained earwig time again ["Jerry" ] Re: [idealcopy] 93 Feet East gig [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] indsutrial brittish whackers ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] 93 Feet East gig [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] 93 Feet East gig ["Uri Baran" ] [idealcopy] A Modest Proposal [ot] [MrSodium@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] A Modest Proposal [ot] [Dj Na Na ] RE: [idealcopy] A Modest Proposal [ot] ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] A Modest Proposal [ot] [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] A Modest Proposal [ot] [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] 93 Feet East gig [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] A Modest Proposal [ot] [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Very much on topic :-) ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] re. last word on devoto ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] indsutrial brittish whackers ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: /o.t ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] If Brian Wilson was Wire ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: [Bart van Damme ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 09:29:03 -0800 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 Feet East gig Did someone say curry? Uri >> Not to mention scope for post-gig curry action at one of Brick Lane's >> finest... >> >> I often detour via Brick Lane if I've been to gigs in north/east London - >> it's also home of London's finest 24-hour bagel shop... >> >> Mark >> >> << it'd be really good to have an IdealCopy massive there, in-da-house, >> ...as it were... >> > >//// well it sure sounds a great idea to me , and pretty central for a lot of us. wonder if this is the pre-butlins warm up or if there'll be another "showpiece"? maybe they wait for the album for that one? p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 04:53:01 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Only Ones > Wish I'd seen them at all. I guess that tour was the last one. I nearly went > to see Peter Perrett when he played as The One a few years back. That first > single was quite decent. Wonder what state he's in now? He was off teh smack > and driving a minicab for a while.... > > Mark /////at the time i really loved "ESS" but now i find it a really stodgy over-produced lp. all those endless overdubs , keyboards , backing vocals , sure there's a kitchen sink in there somewhere. the album after that was even worse , the horrible parping synths of "trouble in the world" and that chronic c&w duet with pauline penetration. it all sounded like the record company were pushing them really hard into being commercial and they were just going with the flow. if i had to choose an OO lp i'd definitely go for the peel lp where it sounds a bit leaner. but now i'm not 14 and i've heard a bit of lou/velvets i've got to say i think the only one's were a bit over-rated and not very original. and "another girl another planet" is one i could easily do without , sort of track simon le bon would put in his punk top 10. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:28:24 -0000 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] pea brained earwig time again Rot in studio 54 - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tim" To: Cc: ; ; Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 2:48 AM Subject: [idealcopy] pea brained earwig time again > gagagagagagag > > allow me tyhs one indesckrusionm cos i am so sorryu fo r bein a nobed > > Yo cocksuckers its DJ nanananana again. > jus chuning in my stereogram to some throbbing grizzle cos im so f88king cool] > > i had a mix tape of this in 86 and it had kajagoogoo and howard jones who > are very neu wayvea and jus as cool as He said, Silo and Chaka Demus and > Pliers and Brittney Speers. > > Toss On my fellow Britttish Wonkers > > Ok see if you kan get zis one .....sounds lyke a poonky fing sorty of goes > like this: > "allrighty ear eat us a gain an its cold......want to eggs you" > > now if you can get that U R A geniush ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:31:20 -0000 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] indsutrial brittish whackers Actually I harbour a secret suspicion that Na Na WAS Graeme Rowland. Whatever Graeme would have said he'd have taken 250 words to say it together with a large dollop of obscurity. j (self-confessed whacker) - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Cc: Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 1:10 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] indsutrial brittish whackers > In a message dated 29/01/2002 00:07:33 GMT Standard Time, > iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > > > > >No, I awarded you the honrary chairmanship ;-) Keith will have to stand for > > > > >election next time! > > > > ah yes, i stand corrected on that point, councillor... ;) > > > > ian.s.j. > > > > > > Sorry Jerry & Ari but I have to support our Chairman here seconded by Mark. > Yes I too am a whacker but Irish. > White collar so to speak. > But as you rightly say everyone is entitled to their opinion & I hope he > comes back & we give him the right to defend himself because > "Lord !! He Has Offended The Children Of Israel With His Blasphemy" if you > get my drift. > I am as liberal as they come & humour many simpletons on a day to day > basis.However I believe Mr Banana Face was akin to a teenage miscreant > pidgeon > & needed to have his wings clipped. > He was like that annoying fucker we've all met on a train & smiled at > benignly but secretly hoping he gets off real soon. > God only knows what Graham Rowland would have said... > Now there's a thought... > Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:42:29 +0000 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: gig - yay! Mark/list Thanks for gig info - I'm a Wire mag subscriber and failed to spot this. As was recently discussed, the mag contains less and less of interest, it seems. They ought to jazz it up with a few paparazzi pics or something. I will be 36 on 7 March - this is the best present I could have asked for. See you all there! Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 08:52:32 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 Feet East gig Uri, Will you be coming as Mr Suit again? Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 15:54:00 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] indsutrial brittish whackers > Actually I harbour a secret suspicion that Na Na WAS Graeme Rowland. > Whatever Graeme would have said he'd have taken 250 words to say it together > with a large dollop of obscurity. > > j (self-confessed whacker) Weird, I was thinking exactly the same thing! Would be a great stunt eh? ;-) Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 07:10:06 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: [idealcopy] Re: This is simple, I responded to how I was being treated which was pretty nasty and not very nice. I was actually cool about it at first but then felt, wtf, why did I kiss their asses after being the stepped on newbe of the list? Might as well lower myself to the level of a "few"(not all) nitwits. ---->atsbury. I made no smartass comments until mr. atsbury and friends felt they would play the game of "oh he's all putting us on" "He's taking the piss" etc. Do you know how annoying and immature that is??? To hear that?? I submit to you that question. I was simply asking questions for my re-interest in wire. Now was it mature of mr. atsbury and co. to play nasty games before i had said absolutely nothing remotely negative to them? No it wasn't. He actually cut down one of the groups I was talking about FIRST. Which was blancmange. That's fine, i have absolutely no problem with that but when I said one word about not liking a julian cope song and giving an example that it sounded like bar room crud. The man exploded at me with his gang of goons. I will post this julian cope song soon and you can all judge for yourselves. It was only my unimportant opinion as was ians towards blancmange. Which is cool with me until you start attacking me in a nasty way. Back to wire, Having heared some of their tracks (on tapes) in the mid 80's I was a fan then but never really heared the other tracks they did until the last few months or so. Keep in mind I have 4 tracks by them including that watch take care side project track. I'm not a person that has only one track. Not a one track fan. Having said that I stand by how I have acted(in defense) of how certain individuals(with low self esteem) would like to pick on other individuals for being a newbe to any list. I clearly remember someone (can't remember which person though) saying how he liked starting shit with people on the 'gbv' list. And i'm the one that's immature?? cool Cheers - --- "ian.s. jackson" sent me this: > >Jerry wrote: > > > >Good to see y'all are so confident in the > legitimacy > >of this little > >world > >that alternative opinions don't have to be > tolerated. > >Remember free > >speech? > > > >Whatever it was that made DJ Na Na 'get' Wire all > of a > >sudden it was > >nothing > >to do with the blinkered attitude of their aging > and > >fogeyish audience > >was > >it? > > then Ari > >I'm with you on this one Jerry,seems some of our > >cousins are so elitist that tolerance is not > tolerated > >eh?maybe those aging punks are just hippies after > >all. > > guys, > i think you'll find that i made a real attempt at > being nice BEFORE he > started calling us wankers. > please feel free to check your digest(s)...but you > will find that that is > the case. > that is all i have to say right now. > ian.s.j. > > _________________________________________________________________ > Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 11:34:15 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 Feet East gig << Wire gig alert... > > > > Wire are to play at a tribute concert for This Heat bassist Gareth >Williams on Thursday March 7th at 93 Feet East, Brick Lane, London E1 >> i wonder if i should attempt to take my vacation during this time and fly over!?....i have three weeks coming to me, and what better way to spend it than experiencing Wire live, seeing beautiful England, and hopefully meeting some Ideal Copyists??? hmmm..better check rates... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 16:49:42 -0800 From: "Uri Baran" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 Feet East gig My work situation suggests Mr Unemployed but i'll be there! It really must be recorded for posterity. See you there. By the way, tickets not onsale yet. Cheers uri - -----Original Message----- From: MarkBursa@aol.com To: uri.b@virgin.net ; idealcopy@smoe.org Date: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 5:52 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 Feet East gig >Uri, > >Will you be coming as Mr Suit again? > >Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:38:04 EST From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] A Modest Proposal [ot] As we are swiftly taking steps to protect the integrity of the list, having run off the curmudgeonly Britt but failing on other bandwith-wasters, may I suggest the following: 1. Chicks, to the extent there are any: OUT 2. Anyone ever using impropoer grammar or spelling: OUT 3. Anyone owning anything by Blancmange must mange merde: OUT 4. In the interests of geopolitical balance: Giluz, Bart, Eric, Voyteck, and Giacomo: OUT MrNa (No relation) I am (not) the (fruit) fly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 10:06:10 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Modest Proposal [ot] You broke rule 2. "Improper" - --- MrSodium@aol.com wrote: > As we are swiftly taking steps to protect the > integrity of the list, having run off the > curmudgeonly Britt but failing on other > bandwith-wasters, may I suggest the following: > > 1. Chicks, to the extent there are any: OUT > 2. Anyone ever using impropoer grammar or spelling: > OUT > 3. Anyone owning anything by Blancmange must mange > merde: OUT > 4. In the interests of geopolitical balance: Giluz, > Bart, Eric, Voyteck, and Giacomo: OUT > > > MrNa (No relation) > I am (not) the (fruit) fly Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:34:49 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] A Modest Proposal [ot] Hey! At least I'm in the Commonwealth Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of MrSodium@aol.com Sent: Tuesday, January 29, 2002 12:38 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] A Modest Proposal [ot] As we are swiftly taking steps to protect the integrity of the list, having run off the curmudgeonly Britt but failing on other bandwith-wasters, may I suggest the following: 1. Chicks, to the extent there are any: OUT 2. Anyone ever using impropoer grammar or spelling: OUT 3. Anyone owning anything by Blancmange must mange merde: OUT 4. In the interests of geopolitical balance: Giluz, Bart, Eric, Voyteck, and Giacomo: OUT MrNa (No relation) I am (not) the (fruit) fly ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:37:55 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Only Ones I saw the Only Ones in New York City at Hurrah back around 1980. (They headlined over local band The Invaders) Still have some good photos of the gig. Thought the American equivalent of them was Band of Outsiders. - Steve. G www.sourmashusa.com - ----- Original Message ----- From: "ian.s. jackson" To: Cc: Sent: Monday, January 28, 2002 6:04 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Only Ones > keith wrote : > >p.s. saw them in liverpool as well ian - were you there (1980) ? > > if it was the 'Baby's Got A Gun' tour at the Mountford Hall, L'pool Univ., > then yeah, i'm afraid so... ;) > > ian.s.j. > (still really needing to get hold of 'Even Serpents Shine' on CD) > > _________________________________________________________________ > Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. > http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:42:27 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Modest Proposal [ot] In a message dated 29/01/2002 18:33:39 GMT Standard Time, eklaver@elysium-sl.com writes: > . Anyone ever using impropoer grammar or spelling: OUT > 3. Anyone owning anything by Blancmange must mange merde: OUT > That's me out on both counts then.. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:44:45 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Modest Proposal [ot] In a message dated 1/29/02 12:43:46 PM Central Standard Time, CHRISWIRE@aol.com writes: << That's me out on both counts then.. Chris >> uh...me to...(see? damn!) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 12:48:38 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] 93 Feet East gig If you do go can you swing by mine and give me a ride,I only live in North Carolina.Ari Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 13:14:32 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Modest Proposal [ot] Why don't we just throw everyone on the list off the list and hand it over to Elvis freaks,they need a break.Ari Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 22:53:52 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Very much on topic :-) Mark You're probably right, having read it again. Ian - ----- Original Message ----- From: > Ian, > > I took that to mean "friends and collaborators of Gareth Williams".... > > Mark > > << Intriguingly, in the actual listings it states "a reformed Wire plus > friends" amongst the other performers and special guests. > This is just over 5 weeks away!!! > Have they given up completely on updating pinkflag,com >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 23:15:10 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: [idealcopy] IC (OT) Brian Wilson on Channel 4 News For Tim and others, tonight's end piece on C4 News (UK) was billed as a feature on and interview with Brian Wilson. As it turned out, the VT failed so they couldn't run it (as an aside, they subbed in with with a hastily convened discussion between Jon Snow and the agriculture correspondant who looked as if he'd just run up twenty flights of stairs - a redder more sweaty man you are unlikely to see on TV - I was genuinely worried for him; compelling viewing though) Anyway, there's a chance they may run the Wilson interview on Wednesday evening. In any case it's accessible via the Channel 4 News website. Sorry, don't know the link, but a couple of searches on Channel4 should get you there. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:42:16 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Only Ones > that was the only time i saw them, wish i'd seen them when 'Even Serpents > Shine' came out!! >> I saw that tour twice--two nights in a row, leaning on the stage both nights--in a club in Mpls. called The Longhorn. I think it was pretty late in the tour; they were playing a lot of new material. Anyway, two of the best "rock" shows I've ever been to. I don't think that their albums do them full justice (good as they are). Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:32:44 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: dj nana said > This is simple, I responded to how I was being treated > which was pretty nasty and not very nice. dj i came back home from seeing a great brian wilson gig and find my name plastered everywhere here! so perhaps i could just say it was never my intention to have a go at the new boy here. i'm new here myself... consequently i haven't got a 'gang of goons' (though if anyone wants to join one please feel free). i certainly didn't want to 'play nasty games'. you may recall i emailed you offline with a friendly message concerning my shared surname with that of the singer of the cult, because you said you liked them. i personally don't particularly like the cult, but that's cool. I like marion but no-one else here seems to. i made a comment on this site about preferring solo smiths to solo wire. it was not a popular opinion and i got a wee bit of flak, but if you express an opinion here and someone disagrees then they are going to say so and you have to take it on the chin. i was one of the people who said they didn't like paul wellers recent stuff, but the reader who did didn't get abusive. as for blancmange - if you recall, i didn't 'cut them down'. i merely mentioned that hearing their name reminded me that julian cope blamed their album for him splitting up the teardrops and it went from there. i think what julian said is funny myself, but even if you don't, you have to agree it's a unique reason to give (even if it isn't necessarily true). i also said - slightly tongue in cheek - it made me feel bad for having bought the record in the first place (i loved the teardrops!), but what this ultimately means is that for better or worse, I'D BOUGHT A BLANCMANGE LP. i haven't heard it in a long time and i suspect that i wouldn't be too wild about it nowadays, but i remember the singles being pretty good pop records. i just don't think they compare with julian cope, but then hey, that's just my opinion. perhaps i could just assure you that i love music of allsorts and that i don't spend all day listening to wire, magazine, and other people who we talk about here. i have what some readers here would consider some very uncool records in my collection. for example i'm guessing that i'm the only person here who likes cher's recent daft punk like single, but i like it and that's that. and even if/when every other reader here writes in and tells me i'm completely wrong and it's a load of shit, i'll still like it, you'll still love blancmange, i'll still love julian cope, we'll all still love wire and the world will go on just the same as it always does. and finally, yes, i did say i agreed with another reader who thought you were having us - and from your email i still reckon you were to some degree. were you ? can't we just celebrate the fact that technology allows us the opportunity to discuss all this. personally - as someone who's come to the world of the internet etc a bit late in the day - i think it's great that i can share views and opinions on great music with, for example, someone in seattle or groningen, and i really disliked the thought that there was gonna be an 'us and them' situation between brits and americans. obviously it's up to you if you stay on this site, but if you do then perhaps we can all be friends even if we don't agree on everything. and if you really want me to tell you which julian stuff to look out for, then i will. is that ok ? keith p.s. who's this graeme bloke that dj is supposed to be ? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:38:11 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re. last word on devoto ian.s. jackson said > i meant to say previously that once you've got the first > 3 Magazine LP's... then 'Play' is the only other thing you'll really need!! > it's a fairly good representation of the band during/after the release of > '...Soap' and features Robin Simon (ex-Ultravox) doing a really good job of > filling John McGeogh's boots. so good a job in fact that i'd forgotten that mcgeogh had left before then and it didn't cross my mind when i was playing it that it wasn't him! keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:43:17 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re:the last word on devoto alistair said > I shared Keith's comment with my friend > who lives across the road from Mr Devoto > and goty this back..... > > >Howard wears black socks with sandals and shorts in the summer > >no it isn't a pretty sight > can you not tell your mate to pop round and tell howard that he's got myths and expectations to live up to and that the socks/sandals/shorts look will have to go... keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 17:46:20 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: /o.t Nice email Kieth(to DJ)but I'm willing to bet your collection isn't as diverse as mine.......... as for us and them,there IS no 'us and them' just us.I'm pretty sure that all the folk over here were having a gentle dig at our cousins in europe,and visa versa.(least I hope so)wasn't that what punk was about?other than the dress code,which I never subscribed to.Ari Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:57:31 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] indsutrial brittish whackers > tim wrote : > >Read his comment about Ians e-mail address being 'virgin dot com' to get > >an idea of the sparkling wit he has brought to this normally civilised list > >recently. This is sub-school playground stuff! > ian wrote > don't know if anyone else has made this point yet, but he got me (Ian) and > Keith mixed up, i think... he responded to Keith's email but credited me > with it, plus the honorary chairmanship. > > ian.s.j. thanks! keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:06:21 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] indsutrial brittish whackers > Actually I harbour a secret suspicion that Na Na WAS Graeme Rowland. > Whatever Graeme would have said he'd have taken 250 words to say it together > with a large dollop of obscurity. > > j (self-confessed whacker) i don't know who graeme rowland is, but that's the second conspiracy theory i've read today. got 'time out' while i was in london for the brian wilson gig and a writer puts forward the idea that the mythical (imaginary?) man behind swedish band the hives is none other than bill drummond. i'm not totally convinced, but then again i wouldn't bet against it... keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 18:07:25 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] indsutrial brittish whackers Can't we all just drop this and spend our energy's talkin' 'bout the price of cheese in china?Ari Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 20:13:24 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] Conspiracy theory? Naw! It's all in the brochure! Order for order, dark punk blues. Salty inventory, A-Z is not music for fruit. Rgds to the buoyant, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 29 Jan 2002 21:31:51 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: /o.t << wasn't that what punk was about?other than the dress code,which I never subscribed to. >> True punks wear... ...black socks with sandals and shorts in the summer Obviously. Mark ;-) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 02:58:24 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Only Ones > >I wish I'd gone to that one. When was it? Must've been early in the year? I > >remember seeing the Cure at Mountford Hall, and Teardrop Explodes the next > >week, both in May 80. > > > >Mark > > oh god Mark, i couldn't really tell you without checking out some obscure > and very thorough website!! it was that gig i meant ian. wasted youth supported! i'm 99% certain it was may 1980. i know i'd just come back off my hols with 'baby's got a gun' lp but hadn't had chance to play it. and it was just a few weeks after the teardrop gig there - i went to that too. small world... i was right at the front for the only ones and remember being shocked at how thin peter perrett was in the flesh. he was wearing black leather trousers that were baggy on him, his legs were so thin. incidentally, i really embarrassed myself after that gig. we were hanging round afterwards to try and get autographs (yeah i know it's sad...) and this bloke came towards us. 'how long will the band be?' i asked. he gave me a funny look and then one of my mates pointed out it was alan mair, the bass player. you can imagine what a plank i felt - that they were one of my fave bands was bad enough, the fact that i'd just watched them live was something else. (in my defence i would like to say that he looked so bloody ordinary off stage your worship!) as for 'even serpents shine', paul rabjohn is right. i always thought the production was stodgy too - great songs but definitely let down by an over-dense sound. if only that lp had the more crisp, direct production of the better stuff on 'baby's got a gun' ('big sleep' etc - wasn't the synth version of 'trouble in the world' just on the single?), 'even serpents shine' would have been a classic. which is exactly what their debut lp is in my eyes... keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:00:57 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: /o.t << wasn't that what punk was about?other than the dress code,which I never > subscribed to. >> > > True punks wear... > > ...black socks with sandals and shorts in the summer > > Obviously. > > Mark ;-) he obviously thinks he's got the legs for it! keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 03:09:55 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] If Brian Wilson was Wire tim said... > I know there are other Brian Wilson fans on this list so can I just say > that my friends and I drove through driving rain, sleet and snow to Glasgow > this weekend to see Brian and he was so incredible that the whole thing > felt like some strange dream. I don't want to go on about it too much > because its off topic but Brian was brilliant beyond belief and unlike his > peers McCartney, Jagger, Townshend, Dylan and that lot he is still the > absolute picture of cool...albeit a bit damaged and a little bit bonkers. can i just say that i thought it was fab too. you just felt like you were witnessing something special. the band/harmonies were truly amazing. it was kind of emotional really. there was one fantastic moment when at the end of a stunning 'heroes & villains' (not my fave B.B. track to be honest but this was incredible), the audience more or less spontaneously stood up and applauded and then remained standing, clapping for several minutes whilst people shouted 'we love you brian'. at this rate - wire and brian wilson - the RFH could end up replacing the liverpool royal court as my fave venue...(it's certainly a bit more upmarket but you know what i mean...) keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 01:09:17 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] wire live This from posteverything.com: 15 MINUTES OF WIRE IN LONDON!! Wire are to play at a tribute concert for This Heat bassist Gareth Williams on Thursday March 7th at 93 Feet East, Brick Lane, London E1 There is a large bill and all artists will be contributing "vignettes", it is rumoured that one new Wire item will be previewed. The remaining This Heat members - Charles Bullen & Charles Hayward are also on the bill, as are David Cunningham, Gareth Sager (Pop Group etc), Viv Corringham and L Voag, plus "special guests" Tickets will be #12 ===== kevin eden wmo, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wireviews.org "dreams that money can buy" Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2002 10:25:07 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Keith for president! [or queen, for all you brits] Very well said! Cheers... Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com > dj nana said > >> This is simple, I responded to how I was being treated >> which was pretty nasty and not very nice. > > dj > > i came back home from seeing a great brian wilson gig and find my name > plastered everywhere here! so perhaps i could just say it was never my > intention to have a go at the new boy here. i'm new here myself... > consequently i haven't got a 'gang of goons' (though if anyone wants to join > one please feel free). i certainly didn't want to 'play nasty games'. you > may recall i emailed you offline with a friendly message concerning my > shared surname with that of the singer of the cult, because you said you > liked them. i personally don't particularly like the cult, but that's cool. > I like marion but no-one else here seems to. > > i made a comment on this site about preferring solo smiths to solo wire. it > was not a popular opinion and i got a wee bit of flak, but if you express an > opinion here and someone disagrees then they are going to say so and you > have to take it on the chin. i was one of the people who said they didn't > like paul wellers recent stuff, but the reader who did didn't get abusive. > > as for blancmange - if you recall, i didn't 'cut them down'. i merely > mentioned that hearing their name reminded me that julian cope blamed their > album for him splitting up the teardrops and it went from there. i think > what julian said is funny myself, but even if you don't, you have to agree > it's a unique reason to give (even if it isn't necessarily true). i also > said - slightly tongue in cheek - it made me feel bad for having bought the > record in the first place (i loved the teardrops!), but what this ultimately > means is that for better or worse, I'D BOUGHT A BLANCMANGE LP. i haven't > heard it in a long time and i suspect that i wouldn't be too wild about it > nowadays, but i remember the singles being pretty good pop records. i just > don't think they compare with julian cope, but then hey, that's just my > opinion. > > perhaps i could just assure you that i love music of allsorts and that i > don't spend all day listening to wire, magazine, and other people who we > talk about here. i have what some readers here would consider some very > uncool records in my collection. for example i'm guessing that i'm the only > person here who likes cher's recent daft punk like single, but i like it and > that's that. and even if/when every other reader here writes in and tells me > i'm completely wrong and it's a load of shit, i'll still like it, you'll > still love blancmange, i'll still love julian cope, we'll all still love > wire and the world will go on just the same as it always does. > > and finally, yes, i did say i agreed with another reader who thought you > were having us - and from your email i still reckon you were to some degree. > were you ? > > can't we just celebrate the fact that technology allows us the opportunity > to discuss all this. personally - as someone who's come to the world of the > internet etc a bit late in the day - i think it's great that i can share > views and opinions on great music with, for example, someone in seattle or > groningen, and i really disliked the thought that there was gonna be an 'us > and them' situation between brits and americans. > > obviously it's up to you if you stay on this site, but if you do then > perhaps we can all be friends even if we don't agree on everything. and if > you really want me to tell you which julian stuff to look out for, then i > will. > > is that ok ? > > keith ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #32 ******************************