From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #30 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, January 28 2002 Volume 05 : Number 030 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] re. julian cope/gbv [Dj Na Na ] Re: [idealcopy] julian cope/GBV [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] re. last word on devoto ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] re. julian cope/gbv ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] re. gbv ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] New entry [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] re. gbv [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] julian cope/GBV ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] julian cope/GBV [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] New entry ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] re. gbv ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] julian cope/GBV [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] re. last word on devoto ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] julian cope/GBV ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] indsutrial brittish whackers [Tim ] [idealcopy] A little Wire for you all ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] A little Wire for you all [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 02:49:51 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re. julian cope/gbv Blahblablhah blhah breaking my rule for one post. The only line being read as I laughed my way through the rest being the banana part. Ian the biggest tosser of the list. @ virgin dot net no less. Toss on, wanker. - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > dj nana said > < < < > as dan says - based on one track? i love julian (i > prefer the teardrops but i > like the 'bar room crud' too!) but you know i just > couldn't be bothered > justifying anything for that jerk. i'll try not to > be offended by him not > thinking i'm 'industrial' or 'anarchistic'. ouch. > that hurt - even though i > don't work in a factory and i've just paid my income > tax bill. (i might need > some therapy but i'm sure i'll get over the insult > in the long term....) > > < > is that the same person who a few days ago said... > > < where we have to be nasty > < > presumably none of us brits will judge our american > friends by the na na one! > > < > does that mean this site will no longer resemble > some sort of electronic pub > quiz ? (it's got an accoustic guitar on it, a bloke > singing, some backing > singers singing something like 'hallalujah', i think > he's just died, someone > said he used to be in the beatles and he sings > something about his sweet lord > - anyone got any ideas what it is ? - you know, that > sort of thing) > > keith > p.s. i know nothing of GBV but i look forward to > watching their no doubt wacky > video on mtv next time i venture down to the gym! > will they make me run faster > or are they more compatible with my stretching > exercises ??? Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:29:08 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] julian cope/GBV > Guided by voices the mtv hiphop thing? lol > Yuck WTF has his Bobness been doing NOW??? ;-) > Maybe we can't along. I'm sorry, I take everything > back, there's way too many brittish tossers on here. > My opinion stands. You guys aren't anarchistic or > indsutrial in the least, julian cope is whack. Muy > opinion stands, you guys are wankers. > > Ignore is enabled. > > peace off Is the DJ having us on again? Bart [from the netherlands] bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:24:42 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] re. last word on devoto after reading the buzzkunst stuff. i had a look at a site which had photos of howard and pete shelley together at that gig a while back. now i don't think working with shelley will prove to be a mistake, but my god, those denim shorts certainly were. what was he thinking of ? incidentally i've been playing the live magazine 'play' album lately. i'd considered it a bit throwaway previously but it's better than i thought. and the 'wilderness' remix of the 'luxuria' track on the 'public highway' 12" single is just as great as i remembered. but then the album version is one of the few (perhaps only) luxuria tracks that stands comparison with magazine at their finest. keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:48:23 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re. julian cope/gbv In a message dated 1/27/02 3:25:45 AM Central Standard Time, keith.astbury10@virgin.net writes: > presumably none of us brits will judge our american friends by the na na > one! > i hope not......certainly i have proven that not ALL of us are so bad.... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 11:59:32 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re. last word on devoto as an aside , they've re-jigged the www.buzzcocks.com site to put lots of buzzkunst stuff on there. now you get a pete bit , a howie bit and a buzzkunst bit. its not bad , worth a look. the lp gets a review in mojo , i think its out 23rd feb. doesn't say much about the musical style of it though. should be interesting at least. p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:13:59 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] julian cope In a message dated 26/01/2002 02:35:07 GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Mr Nana, > > Please understand the Idealcopy list is populated by nasty smelly old > punks. > If we met you we would probably spit on you and call you names. None of us > have washed since 1977. Most of us are out of our brains on dope and speed. > > Mark > The rest is true except my mother told me to wash regularly.I try. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 13:00:17 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] Peabrained Earwigs Good to hear some refreshing "silver tounged shnakes" on board! Beautiful song "A Serious Of Snakes" of our namesakes "Ideal Copy" album; how appropriate! Those of you renegades from the 'Anal Wart' & 'Shaft Your Neighbor's Dog' forums, your drill bits are dulling; midnite mass next time, huh? Splash from the acid bath, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:06:40 +0100 From: "Giacomo" Subject: [idealcopy] New entry Hi, I'm Giacomo from Italy and I've just joined the mailing list. I love Wire and I'm glad to have found this place. I just want to say "hello" to everybody, hoping to find good people... and music to trade! Thanks ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 12:38:38 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re. julian cope/gbv > p.s. i know nothing of GBV but i look forward to watching their no doubt wacky > video on mtv next time i venture down to the gym! will they make me run faster > or are they more compatible with my stretching exercises ??? Only if your stretching exercises consists of drinking Budweiser beer with 40-something ex-schoolteachers in a garage in Ohio. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:02:40 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re. gbv i said (jokingly i add, as this is now out of context!) > > p.s. i know nothing of GBV but i look forward to watching their no doubt > wacky video on mtv next time i venture down to the gym! will they make me run > faster or are they more compatible with my stretching exercises ??? > Only if your stretching exercises consists of drinking Budweiser beer with > 40-something ex-schoolteachers in a garage in Ohio. (^_^) > > Cheers, > Paul that's exactly what i had in mind! i'll get the next flight to akron...(my geography is right here isn't it?) seriously though, i know nothing about GBV apart from the fact that i've got a couple of tracks on free cd's somewhere - and i can't recall how either of them go ('teenage fbi' and 'hold on hope'). can someone fill me in a bit - who do they sound most like etc ? keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:09:16 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New entry > Hi, > > I'm Giacomo from Italy and I've just joined the mailing list. > I love Wire and I'm glad to have found this place. > I just want to say "hello" to everybody, hoping to find good people... and > music to trade! > > Thanks Hello there Giacomo, Nice to have you on board and I hope you'll have a good time here... Cheers, Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:27:23 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re. gbv > seriously though, i know nothing about GBV apart from the fact that i've got > a couple of tracks on free cd's somewhere - and i can't recall how either of > them go ('teenage fbi' and 'hold on hope'). can someone fill me in a bit - > who do they sound most like etc ? > > keith Combination of Beatles, Who, Wire and sometimes REM... Well worth checking out imo. Personally they are one of my alltime fave bands and I rate Robert Pollard [his Bobness] as the best singer of all still existing bands. He's a wizzard of weird and touching compositions and, like early Wire, he likes to stuff his album with loads of short little gems. There not many geniuses around lately, but surely here's one! Best to start with "Bee Thousand", "Alien Lanes" and "Under the Stars Under the Bushes" But their later [and earlier] work is also quite fabulous. Check: http://www.gbv.com Cheers, Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:27:23 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] julian cope/GBV (LOL.....!!!!! mtv hiphop thing? (he's obviously never heard of them then...) what the fuck is he on about???????) whatever...but please at least learn to spell BRITISH properly, it betrays a certain ignorance...dude... ian.s.j. >From: Dj Na Na >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] julian cope/GBV >Date: Sat, 26 Jan 2002 15:03:55 -0800 (PST) > >Guided by voices the mtv hiphop thing? lol >Yuck > >Maybe we can't along. I'm sorry, I take everything >back, there's way too many brittish tossers on here. >My opinion stands. You guys aren't anarchistic or >indsutrial in the least, julian cope is whack. Muy >opinion stands, you guys are wankers. > >Ignore is enabled. > >peace off > > >--- Bart van Damme wrote: > > > haha....we can get along, it's ok. > > > i laugh because i have to put up with a few > > 'know-all Americans' on the > > > Guided By Voices list...boy, have i ruffled a few > > feathers there... ;) > > > > > > ian.s.j. (39 and counting down the days...) > > > > > > For a while now I've been lurking on GBV's Postal > > Blowfish [digest] list and > > found it totally different than "our" IC. > > > > Definitly more Americans here. More [oh my God!] > > rude words, beerdrinking > > and [gasp] innuendo!!! > > It seems GBV has a different mix of fans than Wire > > does! Also, there are > > more female-fans there. We never seem to hear from > > any of "our" girls > > anymore... > > > > But I just can't find the time for totally joining > > more than one list. You > > guys are more than I can handle! :-P > > > > > > Bart [38 and lurking] > > bartvandamme@home.nl > > http://www.bartvandamme.com >Great stuff seeking new owners in Yahoo! Auctions! >http://auctions.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:38:05 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] julian cope/GBV > (LOL.....!!!!! > mtv hiphop thing? (he's obviously never heard of them then...) > what the fuck is he on about???????) Hehehe... I was afraid Bob went all ghetto-y on us... *phew* > whatever...but please at least learn to spell BRITISH properly, > it betrays a certain ignorance...dude... > ian.s.j. I think deej allready left the building... "whatever" indeed! Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 16:44:31 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] julian cope/GBV Ian, You are the inaugural chairman of the Brittish (sic) tossers branch. Bart, you're in too as you're obviously British. I think Dan got it right. He confused Guided By Voices with Sisters With Voices. Says it all really! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:51:09 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New entry as giacomo has only just joined us he might wonder what on earth is going on here... >mtv hiphop thing? (he's obviously never heard of them then...) > what the fuck is he on about???????) < whatever...but please at least learn to spell BRITISH properly, > it betrays a certain ignorance...dude... > ian.s.j. >>I think deej allready left the building... "whatever" indeed! Bart ...so perhaps i could just let him know that if it's any consolation, i don't think any of us did either. i haven't been on this site long myself, but it's a great place. so here's hoping for a return to normality A.D. (after dj!) keith ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 21:51:04 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re. gbv Keith wrote : >i know nothing about GBV apart from the fact that i've got >a couple of tracks on free cd's somewhere - and i can't recall how >either >of them go ('teenage fbi' and 'hold on hope'). can someone fill >me in a >bit - who do they sound most like etc ? the two tracks you have are quite recent and pretty unrepresentative. they come from the failed attempt at 'commerciality' which was their LP on Creation from 2 or 3 years ago called 'Do The Collapse'. Bob (Robert) Pollard is the main man and they've been going since, oh 1986/87-ish. Bob tends to write an LP every 3 months and releases them under various names released by many different labels including Matador(it's murder trying to keep up with them all to be honest). GBV output, in the main, could be fairly safely described as lo-fi tuneful rock (unless they have a 'budget', see above...), main influences being The Beatles and The Who (most classic 60's/70's rock). Bob also happens to be a bit of a Wire fan... ;) ..and he likes a bevvy. 'classic' GBV LP's...'Alien Lanes', 'Bee Thousand', 'Under The Bushes, Under The Stars'...i'd also recommend the release by Robert Pollard & Doug Gillard entitled 'Speak Kindly Of Your Volunteer Fire Department'. not everyone's cup of tea, but i luv 'em. hope this helps a bit! cheers, ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:00:10 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] julian cope/GBV > Ian, > You are the inaugural chairman of the Brittish (sic) tossers branch. Bart, > you're in too as you're obviously British. but... but... well alright then, you talked me into it! God save the er... er... yeah! > I think Dan got it right. He confused Guided By Voices with Sisters With > Voices. aaah... of course: Barbara and Bridget Pollard! From da Dayton hood! > Says it all really! > > Mark But er... no Miles to put the boot in here? Miles? Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:03:26 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re. last word on devoto Keith wrote : >i've been playing the live magazine 'play' album lately. i'd >considered it a bit throwaway previously but it's better than i >thought. well, almost the last word... attention Mr. Lynn, i meant to say previously that once you've got the first 3 Magazine LP's... then 'Play' is the only other thing you'll really need!! it's a fairly good representation of the band during/after the release of '...Soap' and features Robin Simon (ex-Ultravox) doing a really good job of filling John McGeogh's boots. (trivia...Mr.Simon didn't last too long with Magazine, apparently he got the sack for smoking a bit too much pot!!!) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 17:09:16 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re. last word on devoto Absolutely. Play is a very good live album. Most of it is on the Box Set BTW. As well as his drug habits, I always thought Robin Simon left because he ddn't contribute from a writing point of view - just played JMcG's riffs very accurately... Mark > attention Mr. Lynn, i meant to say previously that once you've got the first > > 3 Magazine LP's... then 'Play' is the only other thing you'll really need!! > > it's a fairly good representation of the band during/after the release of > '...Soap' and features Robin Simon (ex-Ultravox) doing a really good job of > > filling John McGeogh's boots. > (trivia...Mr.Simon didn't last too long with Magazine, apparently he got > the > sack for smoking a bit too much pot!!!) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:16:28 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re. gbv > i'd also recommend the release by Robert Pollard & Doug Gillard > entitled 'Speak Kindly Of Your Volunteer Fire Department'. > not everyone's cup of tea, but i luv 'em. Never heard of it, is it a recent release? Where can I get a copy? Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:21:39 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] julian cope/GBV Mark wrote : >Ian, > >You are the inaugural chairman of the Brittish (sic) tossers branch. >Bart, >you're in too as you're obviously British. hahahahahahahaha.....oh boy...makes a change from being 'Chairman Of The Bored' i suppose (he wouldn't 'get' that one either probably...) i think you were right Mark, he didn't need to go back to school, he needs to stay there for a few more years...dear, oh, dear... i'm still not sure if he was taking the piss or what... >I think Dan got it right. He confused Guided By Voices with Sisters >With >Voices. >Says it all really! no mate, 'prick' says it all... ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 14:38:25 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re. gbv > that's exactly what i had in mind! i'll get the next flight to akron...(my > geography is right here isn't it?) > Yes, you are correct - Akron is in Ohio. However, I think that GBV hangs out more near the Dayton area. (And, that's about as far as I want to take my Ohio geography. I live in Seattle. I know as much about Ohio as you do! (^_^)) > seriously though, i know nothing about GBV apart from the fact that i've got > a couple of tracks on free cd's somewhere - and i can't recall how either of > them go ('teenage fbi' and 'hold on hope'). can someone fill me in a bit - - > who do they sound most like etc ? > I second Bart's recommendations and descriptions. "Bee Thousand", "Alien Lanes", and (sorry Bart) "Under The Bushes, Under The Stars" are good starting points. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 23:01:13 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] indsutrial brittish whackers Hyu you guys. im brittish but im also anachronistical and industrialised so there as bananarama once said: "na-na na-na" "hey hey" "goodbye!" I'm off to smort some durgs and wotch 'Yo, Guidend by Voices Rocks' on MTV ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 15:26:19 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] A little Wire for you all Hi everyone, I was poking around on allmusic.com, and decided to look up Wire for kicks. Mostly standard bio stuff - sometimes a little wrong, but not too bad. Then, I found this review: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Aki1ibkg9aak0 Who is Jack Rabid? Is he on the IdealCopy mailing list? Bravo, Jack, whoever you are. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:32:45 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A little Wire for you all Editor of a mag called The Big Takeover, which is well worth seeking out. Seems to come out about once a year! Carried a wire feature about 18 months ago. Mark > Who is Jack Rabid? Is he on the IdealCopy mailing list? > Bravo, Jack, whoever you are. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 18:14:59 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A little Wire for you all yep. the new ish just arrived in my mailbox, btw, & while i can't quote chapter & verse, the usual spot-on references to wire's role as major influences on this, that & the other band are all there. dan >Editor of a mag called The Big Takeover, which is well worth seeking out. >Seems to come out about once a year! Carried a wire feature about 18 months >ago. > >Mark > >> Who is Jack Rabid? Is he on the IdealCopy mailing list? >> Bravo, Jack, whoever you are. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 28 Jan 2002 00:49:35 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Only Ones don't know whether any other readers liked the only ones, but i finally managed to get a (2nd hand) copy of the peel sessions album that i didn't get round to getting when it was released and have been after for ages. there's some great versions on it, particularly the 1978 one with 'the beast' (absolutely fantastic version) etc that i taped off peel at the time and which was a major feature on my playlist at the time. peter perrett - such a wasted talent eh ? keith p.s. saw them in liverpool as well ian - were you there (1980) ? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 27 Jan 2002 22:43:41 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A little Wire for you all In a message dated 1/27/02 6:28:04 PM, paulp@wrq.com writes: << http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Aki1ibkg9aak0 Who is Jack Rabid? Is he on the IdealCopy mailing list? Bravo, Jack, whoever you are. >> mark wrote: >Editor of a mag called The Big Takeover, which is well worth seeking out. >Seems to come out about once a year! Carried a wire feature about 18 months >ago. > >Mark >> then dan: << yep. the new ish just arrived in my mailbox, btw, & while i can't quote chapter & verse, the usual spot-on references to wire's role as major influences on this, that & the other band are all there. dan now me: yes, very good zine, chock full o' reviews and interviews. jack is also formerly of the band springhouse, and his current project is called last burning embers. i haven't heard the new stuff yet, but the springhouse material would probably appeal to fans of dreampoppy sorta stuff, perhaps the chameleons if i had to name a band. i'm sure there are better comparisons but i can't think of one right now. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #30 ******************************