From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #25 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, January 24 2002 Volume 05 : Number 025 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Documents and Eyewitnesses ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] Eardrum-mozzer ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol [Ari Brit] [idealcopy] iaitb [Alistair Tear ] Re: [idealcopy] Request/realizing wire ["Jerry" ] Re: [idealcopy] Eardrum Buzz ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Some ids from another tape / is #2 wire? [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Some ids from another tape / is #2 wire? [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Mission of Burma own Boston ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] wire pop heaven [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] Late 90's id [eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang)] Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. [Eardrumbuz@a] Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. [Eardrumbuz@a] [idealcopy] soft cell rules! ["Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Documents and Eyewitnesses > Given the 3 'Wire Phase 1' albums, I listen to 'Chairs > Missing' more than '154' or 'Pink Flag'! And a > sidenote to DJ Na Na, 'Documents and Eyewitnesses' > turned me off of wire for nearly a decade! Documents and Eyewitnesses for a long time was one of my faves! [at that time together with DOME's 1&2, Kluba Cupol & R] It's so bizarre and bravely made! It really gives you and idea of what they sounded like live and shows their movement from pop to experimental. Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:58:56 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. > Although owning PINK FLAG and CHAIRS MISSING plus a few singles > chronologically, I didn't becoming a complete and hopeless convert until > hearing "Two People in a Room" from 154 and the "Former Airline" b-side to > "Map Reference" upon their release... "Two People in a Room" also blew me away, but I got hooked earlier - with the perfect diptych: "Practice makes Perfect" & "French Film Blurred" [I could never hear them apart] Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:04:19 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. >>The A-list is interesting. It is indeed a great selection of 80's tracks<< Erm, it's basically a whopping chunk of Ideal Copy, a bit of Bell and a couple of other tracks. It's not really representative of Wire's second period in the way that Coatings is. >>Personally, I still think you're better off gettting the individual albums than the collections.<< Probably, although that's an expensive way to start. If you want something representative of the bulk of Wire+, then Coatings, On Returning, Dome12, A-Z and Bastard should cover it. (Note those aren't my favourites, just those that probably 'sum up' the band in less than 20 CDs...) Grab In-between, IAITB and First Letter with any spare change and play the latter loud through headphones--it makes such a difference... C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.org News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:13:23 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Eardrum-mozzer > i would have to include 'spring heeled jim' > myself (one of my all time faves) Yeaah, I to-tal-ly agree! > i felt the same way when i first heard 'eardrum buzz'. > admittedly it's not as great as 'outdoor miner', 'map ref' > or 'kidney bingos' but i remember watching the video on > 'snub tv' and thinking 'great. wire are finally gonna have > a big hit. i mean, how can they fail with this ?' after all, > it was a great pop record - catchy tune and lyrics - with > a funny video to boot. I think 'Eardrum Buzz' is right up there in Pop-Wire-heaven with 'Map Ref', 'Ahead' & 'Outdoor Miner' and I like it even better than 'Kidney Bingos' Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:26:41 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol > can i just be contrary (again) and say i prefer 'chairs missing' ! I don't really have a fave. All three have such superb songs on them! Too hard to choose... Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:28:38 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] wire pop heaven >>I think 'Eardrum Buzz' is right up there in Pop-Wire-heaven with 'Map Ref', 'Ahead' & 'Outdoor Miner' and I like it even better than 'Kidney Bingos' can I add 'the Offer' to that list? oh, I just did.... A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:39:52 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire pop heaven >>I think 'Eardrum Buzz' is right up there in Pop-Wire-heaven with 'Map Ref', 'Ahead' & 'Outdoor Miner' and I like it even better than 'Kidney Bingos' can I add 'the Offer' to that list? oh, I just did.... A And I'll add 'Feed Me' Ari Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 02:45:40 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol Paul Wrote:I think the exception is "...Brochure" which I've been listening to constantly since I bought it! And What,may I ask,is 'Brochure'and is it still available? Personally there's NOTHING Wire has made that I 'don't like'Ari Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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Especially as I'm quite fond of mid 80s 'goth' damned j - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: "ideal copy" ; "Jerry" Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 5:46 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Request/realizing wire > it might be classix nouveau but the damned did also release a single called > 'is it a dream' in 1985 (i.e. minus the good captain). > keith > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Jerry > To: > Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:19 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Request/realizing wire > > > > "9.??? Not sure the song is called "is it a dream and i think it's the > > damned? very pretty like song." > > > > That would be Classix Nouveaux... > > > > j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:31:26 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Paul Weller Heliocentric - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 2:29 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Paul Weller Heliocentric > > << yes yes yes, but have you heard heliocentric?? it blows all his other solo > records away, even the greatest hits one... >> > > Not for me it doesn't. Apart from Wild Wood, which was a pretty decent stab > at "mature" and a welcome relief from the Mick Talbot years, PW's solo career > has increasingly degenerated into a seemingly endless noodling bluesy soulful > Steve Winwood-esque jam session. He seems afraid - almost ashamed of his own > strengths. Heliocentric, like Heavy Soul and most of Stanley Road, have left > me cold. > > Mark i'm with mark on this one, though to be honest, i've made my mind up without hearing all the goods on offer. with the exception of one track i heard from 'heavy soul' on the radio, i haven't heard anything i like by weller since 'the changing man' and to be honest i just couldn't face listening to a whole album by him nowadays - and that comes from someone who bought everything the jam ever did and saw them 3 times. sorry. keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 04:29:31 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire pop heaven and The 15th, Blessed State, Madman's Honey... John PS Paul Weller - Marc Riley said some of it on Bard of Woking; Half Man Half Biscuit said the rest of it in Monmore Hare's Running. - --- Alistair Tear wrote: > >>I think 'Eardrum Buzz' is right up there in > Pop-Wire-heaven with 'Map > Ref', > 'Ahead' & 'Outdoor Miner' and I like it even better > than 'Kidney Bingos' > > can I add 'the Offer' to that list? > > oh, I just did.... > > A Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 04:29:57 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: [idealcopy] What's that Smiths song? That goes "the devil will find work for idle hands to do" something something something... "but i'm still fond of you, buh-haha" "but no more apologies" "i'm so very sick and tired ..something something something?" the "buhuhuh" should be the dead giveaway. thanks in advance Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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The other charting > release was the Ideal Copy album... > > Craig. > i was hoping for something a bit more top ten to be honest! keith > > > ===== > ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- > http://www.wireviews.org > News, reviews and dugga. > > VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com > SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com > -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:37:38 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire pop heaven - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ari Britt To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 10:39 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire pop heaven > >>I think 'Eardrum Buzz' is right up there in > Pop-Wire-heaven with 'Map > Ref', > 'Ahead' & 'Outdoor Miner' and I like it even better > than 'Kidney > Bingos' > > can I add 'the Offer' to that list? > > oh, I just did.... > > A > And I'll add 'Feed Me' Ari 'feed me' ? don't get me wrong, i like it, but it's not really great 'pop music' as we know it... is it ? keith > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 04:42:39 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: [idealcopy] Wire live in 88' at the rose bowl in La(Pasadena) Anyone know what wire thought of this show? I wasn't able to get tickets but we tried. This was a point when depeche mode were semi mysterious I suppose so before we knew it tickets had been sold out! There were riots (I think?) at a tower records store over this. The rose bowl holds like 50,000 people? Wonder how wire did, what they played, how the felt about it, etc etc. Must have been interesting to say the least. Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:57:39 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] What's that smith's song djnana>>That goes "the devil will find work for idle hands to do" something something something... What difference does it make? A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:22:25 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] morrissey's nadir ?/Lou Reed i'm still wading through the velevts box set - it's about 3 and 1/2 hours of music, but on initial listens i'd say yes it's worth getting if you love the velvets and if you don't mind a less than perfect sound (it's certainly of listenable quality). lots of very long versions of some old faves. yeah, go for it... keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Ari Britt To: Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 12:44 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] morrissey's nadir ?/Lou Reed > totaly agree with you old chap.Is the 3-C.boxed set > worth getting(I was on n.p.r 'tother day,they were > talking 'bout how V.U has influence on 'todays > r'n'r',I called in to say I thought that they were,in > fact, the first Punk group,and so therefore Punk > started in '67,not '76,coincidentaly they had just > mentioned WIRE in reference to)they had a discussion > in the studio,and all agreed!Ari*n.p.r=National Public > Radio for those that don't live in the U.S.of A > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 05:38:40 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: [idealcopy] Some ids from another tape / is #2 wire? Alright these are a bit popier but still sic imo especially #2 so go easy on me ;^) #1 First song and group. The song has has very pretty flamenco spanish style guitars in it but the guitars are plugged into an amp so they sound very electric. There's also a trumpet in the song at certain points. okay here's one of the lines from the song, ""yeaaah...i heared a funny thiiing, somebody said to meeeeee, that you can Be in love with all-most any one. you think people arrre the greatest fun, and I Will be alone Again til i'm with you."" then it goes into the flamenco guitar part and after that the trumpet plays a little solo along with the rest of the instruments. any idea? pretty popy but cool imo #2 Okay next group and song i need an id for. This song is very bubbly sounding with No guitars, just a wobbly bassline and maybe a keyboard? A trumpet for sure. The singer is just rambling on and on about funny stuff. Not really singing. just talking. Anyway one of the samples in the song goes like this, ""you find yourself having sex in the back of a car and the girl and the knee(?) dosen't care who you are and you're nearly there and she still doesn't care and your chewing gum is getting stuck in your hair, and there's something wrong something that you forgot, oh shit you've forgotton the rubber, and you don't want a kid well deny it was you, oh christ if your dad finds out then he'll make you stay in and do your homework and cut your hair and wear your school uniform, out in the street what a fate worse than death. oh well he can't hit you, you just hit him back and play your records so loud, all the ones that he especially hates, deep purple and rock, led zepplin 2, well even you bate those, we'll on second thought i think i'll leave home and go in a firm in america, because they have more money there, and you can get away, with murderrrr-Yeeeeeahhhhhhhhhhh, bup baabaabaaba ba dup dup ba ba ba dup ba dadada bup Ba ba Ba dup dup da da da bup" "i can't wait til i'm 21 and thentell them all to sod off, bap bup bu da dup bap bup!"" ;^) you get the idea shit is this wire? it sounds kind of similar in the voice! imo this is may be poppy but it's cool as fuck! Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 14:02:35 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] Some ids from another tape djnana>>#1 First song and group. Love - aloneagainor - from 'Forever Changes A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:46:16 -0000 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Some ids from another tape / is #2 wire? > #1 > First song and group. The song has has very pretty > flamenco spanish style guitars in it but the guitars > are plugged into an amp so they sound very electric. > There's also a trumpet in the song at certain points. > okay here's one of the lines from the song, > ""yeaaah...i heared a funny thiiing, > somebody said to meeeeee, > that you can Be in love with all-most any one. > you think people arrre the greatest fun, > and I Will be alone Again til i'm with you."" > > then it goes into the flamenco guitar part and after > that the trumpet plays a little solo along with the > rest of the instruments. > > any idea? pretty popy but cool imo That's definitely the Damned's cover of "Alone Again Or". Mighty fine it is too though fans of the original (was it by Love?) would probably disagree. That should atone for my mistake on "Is It a Dream"... j ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:16:10 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Some ids from another tape / is #2 wire? # 1 reminds me of the Damned sounding quasi Mexi-American in an 'spagetti western' video (Sergio Leone style), shot in the desert. Elements of the band, the wild west, and a taste like 'Burning Man' constitute the video (as seen on MTV). Song title unknown. # 2 ??? However, it sounds a far cry from Paul McCartney's 'Back seat of my car' or Cheap Trick's 'Surrender'. Ever try the music room forum? http://glyphs.com/forums/music/ Rgds, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 09:59:10 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: 70s Wire >From: Paul Pietromonaco >P.S. To be honest, I prefer 154 to Pink Flag and Chairs Missing as >well. Sounds closer to the 80's material to me. Still, don't most of >the 70's adherents prefer Pink Flag? Have I been misled all this time? >(^_^) I think 70s-Wire people--of which I'm unquestionably one: I play the solo albums more than 80s Wire (which is not to say Wir)--can be divided into those who prefer Pink Flag and those who prefer Chairs Missing and/or 154 (me). This is not to say that some (I) don't adore all 3, but most have there preferences. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:07:58 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Some ids from another tape / is #2 wire? In a message dated 1/23/02 7:39:55 AM Central Standard Time, djnana2000@yahoo.com writes: << #2 Okay next group and song i need an id for. This song is very bubbly sounding with No guitars, just a wobbly bassline and maybe a keyboard? A trumpet for sure. The singer is just rambling on and on about funny stuff. Not really singing. just talking. Anyway one of the samples in the song goes like this, ""you find yourself having sex in the back of a car and the girl and the knee(?) dosen't care who you are and you're nearly there and she still doesn't care and your chewing gum is getting stuck in your hair, and there's something wrong something that you forgot, oh shit you've forgotton the rubber, and you don't want a kid well deny it was you, oh christ if your dad finds out then he'll make you stay in and do your homework and cut your hair and wear your school uniform, out in the street what a fate worse than death. oh well he can't hit you, you just hit him back and play your records so loud, all the ones that he especially hates, deep purple and rock, led zepplin 2, well even you bate those, we'll on second thought i think i'll leave home and go in a firm in america, because they have more money there, and you can get away, with murderrrr-Yeeeeeahhhhhhhhhhh, bup baabaabaaba ba dup dup ba ba ba dup ba dadada bup Ba ba Ba dup dup da da da bup" "i can't wait til i'm 21 and thentell them all to sod off, bap bup bu da dup bap bup!"" ;^) you get the idea >> well since i am a huge Soft Cell/Marc Almond fan i knew this whone straight away....It's an old b-side called "It's a Mug's Game" ...it's the b-side of "Where the Heart Is"...it's available on on one of their recent re-issue cds "The Art of Falling Apart" as a bonus track...or on the recent re-issue of "Soft Cell- The Twelve Inch Singles".......Soft Cell Rules! may i make a suggestion? Check the greatest Marc Almond album: "Mother Fist".... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:12:48 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Some ids from another tape / is #2 wire? In a message dated 1/23/02 10:09:11 AM Central Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: << well since i am a huge Soft Cell/Marc Almond fan i knew this whone straight away....It's an old b-side called "It's a Mug's Game" ...it's the b-side of "Where the Heart Is".. >> how the hell did i spell one as "whone"....ok i am very tired today....but my info on the song is correct! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:40:45 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mission of Burma own Boston Mission of Burma are an essential band. One of the ten best American bands of the punk/postpunk era. They only released one real studio album proper, though the live one is good too. They mixed brain with brawn and avante-ism in a way that Wire-ists should easily appreciate. - Steve. G - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 7:01 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mission of Burma own Boston > << Okay, so I've seen Wire and Mission of Burma. I will die a happy > post-punk fan. << > > Mission of Burma mean almost nothing over here in the UK, apart from Academy > Fight song (REM-covered) and That's when I reach for my revolver (Graham > Coxon-covered) - both of which are OK songs, though really nothing special. > > Even back in the days when the likes of teh Dead kennedys were a big noise > over here you'd never heard of them. Any recommendations? Good place to start? > > Did I note they are on the All Tomorrow's Parties bill? Which means they'll > probably play the Highbury Garage.... > > >> When's the Husker Du reunion? No wait, I'd rather see > Mould, Travis and Barbe in Sugar. >> > > When hell freezes over, in both cases. > > Bob Mould has been told not to play loud guitar rock again - or risk > deafness. The Hart-Mould thing still seems to be a problem. Anyone in > Minneapolis been to Greg Norton's restaurant? > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 11:58:20 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] not you again > Were Sleeper worse than Menswear? Or Marion? Or Shed Seven? or Cast? or Kula > Shaker?... ////cast and marion were mediocre. shed 7 and kula shaker were comedy turns. menswear did a pretty good karaoke number. but louise wener really pissed me off with that mixture of desperate attention seeking rentaquote interviews and piss-poor music to back it up. > Does anybody care? ///probably not. but i felt like putting the boot into her again and i hate to miss an opportunity. p > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 10:10:51 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Some ids from another tape / is #2 wire? right on! I should have known. btw do you know the name of the marc almond track where he says "let's go, let's go, to paradise jack, to paradise jack" Love that one! - --- RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 1/23/02 7:39:55 AM Central > Standard Time, > djnana2000@yahoo.com writes: > > << #2 > Okay next group and song i need an id for. > This song is very bubbly sounding with No guitars, > just a wobbly bassline and maybe a keyboard? A > trumpet > for sure. The singer is just rambling on and on > about > funny stuff. Not really singing. just talking. > Anyway > one of the samples in the song goes like this, > > ""you find yourself having sex in the back of a car > and the girl and the knee(?) dosen't care who you > are > and you're nearly there and she still doesn't care > and > your chewing gum is getting stuck in your hair, and > there's something wrong something that you forgot, > oh > shit you've forgotton the rubber, and you don't > want a > kid well deny it was you, oh christ if your dad > finds > out then he'll make you stay in and do your > homework > and cut your hair and wear your school uniform, out > in > the street what a fate worse than death. > oh well he can't hit you, you just hit him back and > play your records so loud, all the ones that he > especially hates, deep purple and rock, led zepplin > 2, > well even you bate those, > we'll on second thought i think i'll leave home > and > go in a firm in america, because they have more > money > there, and you can get away, with > murderrrr-Yeeeeeahhhhhhhhhhh, bup baabaabaaba ba > dup > dup ba ba ba dup ba dadada bup Ba ba Ba dup dup da > da > da bup" > > "i can't wait til i'm 21 and thentell them all to > sod > off, bap bup bu da dup bap bup!"" > > ;^) you get the idea >> > > > well since i am a huge Soft Cell/Marc Almond fan i > knew this whone straight > away....It's an old b-side called "It's a Mug's > Game" ...it's the b-side of > "Where the Heart Is"...it's available on on one of > their recent re-issue cds > "The Art of Falling Apart" as a bonus track...or on > the recent re-issue of > "Soft Cell- The Twelve Inch Singles".......Soft Cell > Rules! may i make a > suggestion? Check the greatest Marc Almond album: > "Mother Fist".... > > Robert Lynn Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 15:12:09 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: worst LP by someone good... >The Cure's Wild Mood Swings (though the first track is excellent) "This Is a Lie" is a great track too, though I agree the album as a whole sucks - and that's from me who rates Cure as #1 band - above Wire (horror!) Syarzhuk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:25:07 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: [idealcopy] Late 90's id Yet another id but this one is from the late 90's i believe. Sounds like the band electronic or new order. "what do you want from me, it's not how it used to be, you've taken my life away and ruined everything, sha la la la la la la La la la la la la la" really driving track with guitars and driving dance beat. very new order ish. any idea? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 12:38:14 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wire pop heaven Kieth rote:'feed me' ? don't get me wrong, i like it, but it's not really great 'pop music' as we know it... is it ? Whu not?pop=popular,I think that if it had been given the 'air play' it would have 'become' popular.Ari Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 13:03:45 -0800 (PST) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Late 90's id <> This is from Peter Hook's side project Monaco. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:37:29 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. i forget exactly who wrote: << I didn't becoming a complete and hopeless convert until > hearing "Two People in a Room" from 154 and the "Former Airline" b-side to > "Map Reference" upon their release... but then bart responded: "Two People in a Room" also blew me away, but I got hooked earlier - with the perfect diptych: "Practice makes Perfect" & "French Film Blurred" [I could never hear them apart] >> my intro to wire (wasn't this a recent topic?) was i am the fly, and i bought chairs missing. i didn't get totally hooked on them until snakedrill though, then i went back and got pink flag and 154, then the new releases as they came out. got d&e whenever it was that the factory palatine box came out (1990?). i bought the two of them together with some birthday cash...i think i got the buzzcocks box then too. cheers, paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:40:29 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. In a message dated 1/23/02 5:05:30 AM, wireviews@yahoo.com writes: << First Letter with any spare change and play the latter loud through headphones--it makes such a difference... >> that is so true! i always liked the first letter, but when i listened through headphones (for the first time) just this past year...i want to put this as clearly as possible...it was like wow! :o) paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:29:25 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] soft cell rules! Robert Lynn said < Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol - ----- Original Message ----- From: Alistair Tear To: Wire (E-mail) Sent: Wednesday, January 23, 2002 8:25 AM Subject: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol > >>>can i just be contrary (again) and say i prefer 'chairs missing' ! > keith > > I agree with you Keith. I think you once said > that you first 'got into' Wire via the same Peel > session that turned me onto them...not at home > so can't check but something like...marooned, > men 2nd, practice makes perfect or somesuch later > A it was the first 3 tracks off 'chairs missing' that did it for me (and then hearing 'mercy' shortly afterwards as well). bart said he can't hear 'practice' and 'french film' apart from each other - well i suppose i'm like that but with 'another the letter' (or 'another veletta' as i thought john peel announced afterwards) as well as i seem to recall that peel had edited them even closer together than they are on the album. whilst i'm mentioning 'another the letter' i have to say i really love the 'behind the curtain' version of the track. ok it's not as complete as the proper version but there's just something about it amuses me for some reason. well i suppose it is a pretty mad track anyway. the yellow bulb light the yellow bulb light the yellow bulb the yellow bulb light. gee - they don't write them like that anymore! keith ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 16:41:51 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. >Grab In-between, IAITB and >First Letter with any spare change and play the latter >loud through headphones--it makes such a difference... > Hmmm. I recognize the First Letter, but what are IAITB and In-between? I'm guessing IAITB = "It's All In The Brochure", but I'm stumped for In-between. Or, is that more of an instruction - like in-between (whatever) grab IAITB and The First Letter. Sorry - I'm not trying to be glib here (again). Just slightly confused. (^_^) Cheers, Paul P.S. I quite like The First Letter without headphones too. (^_^) There's an interesting effect on Ticking Mounth that I believe you can't hear on headphones - they processed Bruce's vocal so that it sounds "around you" when you listen to it centered exactly between two speakers. I wonder what the effect is on headphones? Guess I've got some experimenting to do! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 19:27:51 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] Wire covers We have several Wire "tributes", such as "Whore", "VA play Drill", the "Ex Lion Tamers" on stage opening for Wire (a shelved ExLT project / album ... Waahh!), and others listed on Andrews Wire Page (who / what are "Monomania" on Wire Page?). "Trance Induction" album "Electrickery" liner notes dedicate their album "... to the British avantgarde band Wire" (at times, you could mistake this CD as Wire!). On the other hand, Colin's cover of "Blue Jay Way" from Commercial Suicide is what comes to mind immediately, however, isn't "Tomorrow Never Knows" (or other Lennon) also covered somewhere? So there's the premise; here's the question: What favorite songs of yours would you like to hear Wire covers of? Some of my Wire wish list: Soft Cell being mentioned, why not a Wire cover? Beatles White Album (or select solo works) Really, anything reworked and Wire colored / coloured; popular, retro, classic rock, club, B sides, maybe even a jab at supermarket / elevator styles, all provided copyrights / royality clearances. Wirery, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 22:46:26 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] re: i can't believe i'm realizing wir in my headphones! In a message dated 1/23/02 7:43:09 PM, paulp@wrq.com writes: << P.S. I quite like The First Letter without headphones too. (^_^) There's an interesting effect on Ticking Mounth that I believe you can't hear on headphones - they processed Bruce's vocal so that it sounds "around you" when you listen to it centered exactly between two speakers. I wonder what the effect is on headphones? >> let's just say it's friggin incredible and leave it at that :o) i first listened to the cd through headphones when i was trying to figure out whose voice was whose, about a year ago i guess. ticking mouth is my fave wir song, and one of my fave wire songs. bruce's voice starts out above your head, then it's as you describe "around you" and also cuts across the back of your head a few times. what's so cool in that song, and throughout the album is the way certain instruments/sounds are panned all the way left AND right. the percussion in ticking mouth, the guitar in take it, colin and the thumping percussion in footsi-footsi, the percussive sounds on most songs, a lot of the reverberation and echoes of instruments pan across all over the album. it's really a fantastic headphones listen. highly recommended, i give it two thumbs up b d - -paul "no cows on the ice" c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2002 05:54:02 +0100 From: "frederik jensen" Subject: [idealcopy] looking for treasures hi looking for: robert rental paralysis 7" ac marias so drop 7" and hard to find lewis, he said, he said omala tracks! i only have this clue: a track on a rune lindblad tribute cd and even omala on their own... would somebody be interested in sharing these treasures with me? oh, and perhaps somebody could come up with the tracklisting of a "madrid" epcds on which a bruce gilbert remix is to be found? thank you frederik jensen ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #25 ******************************