From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #24 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, January 23 2002 Volume 05 : Number 024 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] My thoughts on where music is going. [voyteck@webtv.net] Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol [MarkBurs] Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol [MarkBurs] Re: [idealcopy] Johnny Marr / The Cult [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] re: Fad at the Garage [Alistair Tear ] [idealcopy] strength not guts! ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol [CHRISWIR] Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol [Santa Cr] Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol [MarkBurs] [idealcopy] Do members of wire ever read this list? [Dj Na Na ] [idealcopy] top manchester lp's ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] the greatest thing when it comes to pop music ["Keith Astbury] [idealcopy] HOOD ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] re. worst lp by someone good ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] strength not guts [Alistair Tear > No it isn't ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:32:14 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol As a starting point, buy the two compilations On Returning (which covers 1977-79) and The A-list (which covers the late '80s). You should be able to follow your own direction from there.... Mark << Can anyone reccomend some other birlliant tracks they've done? >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 07:37:32 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Johnny Marr / The Cult Don't worry. All OT posts are welcome. Even ones about the Clut. Mark << Sorry to get off topic, I still love wire ;^) >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:09:46 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] re: Fad at the Garage If anyone's interested there's a proper review with pics. here... later A ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 08:42:43 EST From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Paul Weller Heliocentric >OK for some of you this won't matter. BUT, if you are >a Paul Weller fan like me, then Heliocentric will make >you look to see if perhaps the CD was pressed >off-center. i vehemently disagree! just when weller seemed to be washed up, he delivered his best solo album yet! totally took me by surprise..c'mon you don't like "frightened", "back in the fire" or "there's no drinking after your dead" ? and "dust and rocks" has a cool spiritualized-esque guitar part- who would have thought? ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:19:35 -0000 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Request/realizing wire "9.??? Not sure the song is called "is it a dream and i think it's the damned? very pretty like song." That would be Classix Nouveaux... j ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 15:48:25 -0000 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol Paul Pietromonaco was replying to someone >> As for collections of 80's Wire, Coatings is excellent - and hopefully >> still available somewhere. (I'm sure one of the WMO guys will set me >> straight here! (^_^)) check http://www.101cd.com/index.asp?s=&dept=all&sctn=&action=bargains&form=&ord=& page=1&genre=&letter=W&type=&title=&search=&cpg= 8.22 GBP AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:28:02 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] the cult Subject: [idealcopy] strength not guts! > 'it takes guts to be gentle and kind' Wasn't that "strenght" instead of "guts"? i do believe you're right ! (i was living in fear of all those nasty wire fans at the time of writing...) keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:46:18 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Request/realizing wire it might be classix nouveau but the damned did also release a single called 'is it a dream' in 1985 (i.e. minus the good captain). keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: Jerry To: Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 12:19 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Request/realizing wire > "9.??? Not sure the song is called "is it a dream and i think it's the > damned? very pretty like song." > > That would be Classix Nouveaux... > > j ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:49:06 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] strength not guts! actually both are correct...he changes the verse...here it is: I KNOW IT'S OVER - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -- Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head And as I climb into an empty bed Oh well. Enough said. I know it's over - still I cling I don't know where else I can go Oh ... Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head See, the sea wants to take me The knife wants to slit me Do you think you can help me ? Sad veiled bride, please be happy Handsome groom, give her room Loud, loutish lover, treat her kindly (Though she needs you More than she loves you) And I know it's over - still I cling I don't know where else I can go Over and over and over and over Over and over, la ... I know it's over And it never really began But in my heart it was so real And you even spoke to me, and said : "If you're so funny Then why are you on your own tonight ? And if you're so clever Then why are you on your own tonight ? If you're so very entertaining Then why are you on your own tonight ? If you're so very good-looking Why do you sleep alone tonight ? I know ... 'Cause tonight is just like any other night That's why you're on your own tonight With your triumphs and your charms While they're in each other's arms..." It's so easy to laugh It's so easy to hate It takes strength to be gentle and kind Over, over, over, over It's so easy to laugh It's so easy to hate It takes guts to be gentle and kind Over, over Love is Natural and Real But not for you, my love Not tonight, my love Love is Natural and Real But not for such as you and I, my love Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my ... Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head Oh Mother, I can even feel the soil falling over my head Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my head Oh Mother, I can feel the soil falling over my ... - ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ - -- ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 12:52:06 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] strength not guts! by the way...i got the lyrics from a great Smiths/Morrissey website called the Arcane Old Wardrobe heres the link for the lyrics and the comments about them...then a link for the website itself LASID - I Know It's Over The Arcane Old Wardrobe ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:03:43 -0800 (PST) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Request/realizing wire That sounds like a great mix of songs! Did the 'ROQ' put them out as a series> > Yeah I have a bunch of old kroq dancey clubby > industrial shit. Marsfm tapes, early acid house n > techno tapes from 88 89. And of course my favorite > tapes, the mixes of older 80's stuff ala 82-87. I think the #10 is 'Twist' from Tones on Tail. Daniel Ash and Kevin Haskin's group between Bauhaus and Love and Rockets. Worth checking out, although some of their stuff is sounding a bit dated, lately. RJH 10.I think > is > a love n rockets song, it is very surfy sounding > with > seaguls and ocean waves and surfy guitars, > electronic > drums, etc. Some samples are, "So twist twist twsit > tomorows man and me" Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:24:29 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol In a message dated 22/01/2002 12:32:39 GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > > Paul, > > << If you're interested in the 70's Wire, Pink Flag is considered the > finest, with Chairs Missing and 154 following close behind. >> > > No it isn't ;-) > > Mark > Would I be correct in thinking Mark prefers 154 ? As do I may I add. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 10:36:27 -0800 (PST) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol Looks like a good chance to throw some more confusion into the mix! Given the 3 'Wire Phase 1' albums, I listen to 'Chairs Missing' more than '154' or 'Pink Flag'! And a sidenote to DJ Na Na, 'Documents and Eyewitnesses' turned me off of wire for nearly a decade! That said, overall I listen to 80's wire more than any others, so the above comments should be taken with a grain of salt! IBTABA, ABIAC, Manscape and The Drill would be the order I'd rate them in...that usually being quite a can o' worms on this list!! I think the exception is "...Brochure" which I've been listening to constantly since I bought it! > > Paul, > > > > << If you're interested in the 70's Wire, Pink > Flag is considered the > > finest, with Chairs Missing and 154 following > close behind. >> > > > > No it isn't ;-) > > > > Mark > > > > Would I be correct in thinking Mark prefers 154 ? As > do I may I add. > Chris ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "May all your ups and downs be between the sheets." - -Tom Waits - ----------------------------------------------------------- Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:13:24 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol You would indeed! Mark << Would I be correct in thinking Mark prefers 154 ? As do I may I add. >> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 11:36:20 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: [idealcopy] Do members of wire ever read this list? Do members of wire ever read this list? curious... By the way my last name is Wire. First name Daniel. If anyone would like some 1980's radio tapes with wire and other quality groups, lemme know and we'll trade. I can burn to cd too. I'm currently after theidealcopy and the record right after that one too. cya Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:39:10 -0500 (EST) From: "JS (Jim) Adams" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. Although owning PINK FLAG and CHAIRS MISSING plus a few singles chronologically, I didn't becoming a complete and hopeless convert until hearing "Two People in a Room" from 154 and the "Former Airline" b-side to "Map Reference" upon their release... > << Would I be correct in thinking Mark prefers 154 ? As do I may I add. >> | js (jim) adams | artbear@iglou.com | artbear@adams-dress.com | http://members.iglou.com/artbear/ | washington dc usa | overload sometimes enhances - charles hayward 'switch on war' ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 14:49:04 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] not you again bad news for today. louise wener (ex of worlds worst britpop band sleeper) has her first novel out shortly. thought we'd seen her off but sadly this is not the case. p ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:34:56 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol >As a starting point, buy the two compilations On Returning (which covers >1977-79) and The A-list (which covers the late '80s). > Oops - totally forgot about the A-list. The A-list is interesting. It is indeed a great selection of 80's tracks, but peversely, the running order was decided by a rating system, so the album seems to run from excellent to not quite so excellent. In other words, the sequencing may put you off - I tend to start to play it, think it's great, then as the disc plays, I start to lose interest. There's no "organic flow" to the songs. That's sort of my problem with On Returning as well, but at least that album's chronological, which helps. It also includes un-available single A-sides, which are useful if you're in America. (These were added to the U.K. reissues of the first 3 Wire CDs) Personally, I still think you're better off gettting the individual albums than the collections. Wire just never seems to be a "collections" type of band - with the exception of Coatings, maybe. Cheers, Paul P.S. To be honest, I prefer 154 to Pink Flag and Chairs Missing as well. Sounds closer to the 80's material to me. Still, don't most of the 70's adherents prefer Pink Flag? Have I been misled all this time? (^_^) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:36:33 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol >That said, overall I listen to 80's wire more than any >others, so the above comments should be taken with a >grain of salt! IBTABA, ABIAC, Manscape and The Drill >would be the order I'd rate them in...that usually >being quite a can o' worms on this list!! > You don't rate The Ideal Copy, then? Not trying to be glib - just curious. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 13:58:00 -0800 (PST) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: [idealcopy] IC on da' list... OOPS!! > IBTABA, ABIAC, Manscape and The > Drill > You don't rate The Ideal Copy, then? Not trying to > be glib - just > curious. (^_^) How'd I miss that one!!??!! IC is actually the one Wire album I listen to above all others! Then I go and leave it offmy list?...One cup of coffee short today, I guess! RJH - off to SF to see Trey Gunn Band tonight! NP: Xorcist - Bitches EP NR: Daughters of Darkness, Lesbian Vampire Stories Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:22:51 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] top manchester lp's mark said >>TQID is still the masterpiece. Possibly the third best album made by a >Manchester band ;-) > >what's the others ??? > < Subject: [idealcopy] mozzer liked your moz choices, though i would have to include 'spring heeled jim' myself (one of my all time faves) and one of his rockabilly b-sides 'the loop' which is admittedly a bit throwaway, but i've got a soft spot for it. and you're right - "His head in the clouds and his mouth full of pie" is indeed a splendid line! keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 20:42:50 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] the greatest thing when it comes to pop music < Subject: [idealcopy] HOOD i can definitely recommend the 'cycle of days and roses' LP from a couple of years ago. as ian said, there's something sort of windswept about their sound. they also remind me of mogwai at times. i haven't heard the latest LP either, but the 'home is where it hurts' ep from last year was really good as well. keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:22:53 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] re. worst lp by someone good << ><< anyone got any other nominations for the worst album by someone good >award ? > >> Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Paul Weller Heliocentric i loved the jam when i was younger, though maybe it's not worn as well as some music from that period (still like 'all mod cons' and, bizarrely, 'start' which was never one of my faves of theirs at the time). but paul weller is such a disappointment to me. i liked the odd solo single but i haven't heard anything of his in a while that was particularly good. ('changing man' was probably the last thing i liked by him). and i'm not advocating that he turns into joe dolce or someone, but christ he wants to stop being such a miserabel b*st*rd and lighten up a bit - oh yeah, and stop trying to be the new steve winwood as well. i watched that 'later' special on BBC2 a while ago, and the odd song apart (e.g. 'thats entertainment') it was dull, dull, DULL. keith - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Tuesday, January 22, 2002 1:42 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Paul Weller Heliocentric > >OK for some of you this won't matter. BUT, if you are >a Paul Weller fan like me, then Heliocentric will make >you look to see if perhaps the CD was pressed > >off-center. > > i vehemently disagree! just when weller seemed to be washed up, he delivered his best solo album yet! totally took me by surprise..c'mon you don't like "frightened", "back in the fire" or "there's no drinking after your dead" ? and "dust and rocks" has a cool spiritualized-esque guitar part- who would have thought? > > ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 17:39:54 -0500 From: Kent Lundberg Subject: [idealcopy] Mission of Burma own Boston Best parts of the Mission of Burma gig, Saturday matinee (2pm!). 1. The sound guy playing "On Returning" (Wire) before their set. 2. Absolutely NAILING "Certain Fate" for their opening number. 3. Prescott, asking "How's the whole brunch thing working out?" as trays of donuts were passed around. 4. Roger Miller "shushing" the audience, right before deafening us with one of his aural-assault starting chords. 5. Prescott, after Bob Weston played a particularly unflattering sample over-and-over-again of him staying "I see so many wonderful old faces", saying, "I never said that" and "I think we're going to do away with this whole loop thing." (Bob Weston, when not doing sound board and tape loops for MOB, is in Shellac with Steve Albini). 6. Everybody screaming "not not not not" during "Academy Fight Song." 7. Finally seeing "Revolver" played live, even if it was an unintelligible sonic wall of feedback and noise. 8. Roger and Clint being all smiles, all the time. I have never seen a band having so much fun on stage. 9. Coming back for a *real* encore, even after the sound guy had started playing music over the house speakers again. Back on stage, they had to huddle together to decide what song to play. 10. Sound guy playing Joy Division after the set. Who am I kidding? The best part was the whole fucking thing. Okay, so I've seen Wire and Mission of Burma. I will die a happy post-punk fan. When's the Husker Du reunion? No wait, I'd rather see Mould, Travis and Barbe in Sugar. - --> Kent. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 22:44:41 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol > > << If you're interested in the 70's Wire, Pink Flag is considered the > > finest, with Chairs Missing and 154 following close behind. >> > > > > No it isn't ;-) > > > > Mark > > > > Would I be correct in thinking Mark prefers 154 ? As do I may I add. > Chris can i just be contrary (again) and say i prefer 'chairs missing' ! keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:49:28 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: mozzer Keith, << liked your moz choices, though i would have to include 'spring heeled jim' myself (one of my all time faves)<< It was one of the others on the shortlist! Basically the first side of V&I is excellent. The tracklist I made was designed to fit on a CDR... >> and one of his rockabilly b-sides 'the loop' which is admittedly a bit throwaway, but i've got a soft spot for it. << Don't have all the singles so I'm light on the B-sides. Probably worth picking up one of those singles box sets that seem to go pretty cheap. >> and you're right - "His head in the clouds and his mouth full of pie" is indeed a splendid line! >> Especially the first time you hear it. 'Pie' doesn't crop up in too many songs! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:51:40 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] top manchester lp's << phew. that's a relief. i thought you were gonna say the stone bloody roses for a minute... >> While not a patch on any of the others I mentioned, The Stone Roses is a pretty good album, especially when it heads into Roger McGuinn territory. And they were a tremendous live band. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 18:53:14 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re. worst lp by someone good << i love 'republic'! and the dance mixes of the singles. (i take it we're talking new order here ?) >> Yep. Just very flat apart from regret. Where was Hooky? Maine Road?? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:01:07 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mission of Burma own Boston << Okay, so I've seen Wire and Mission of Burma. I will die a happy post-punk fan. << Mission of Burma mean almost nothing over here in the UK, apart from Academy Fight song (REM-covered) and That's when I reach for my revolver (Graham Coxon-covered) - both of which are OK songs, though really nothing special. Even back in the days when the likes of teh Dead kennedys were a big noise over here you'd never heard of them. Any recommendations? Good place to start? Did I note they are on the All Tomorrow's Parties bill? Which means they'll probably play the Highbury Garage.... >> When's the Husker Du reunion? No wait, I'd rather see Mould, Travis and Barbe in Sugar. >> When hell freezes over, in both cases. Bob Mould has been told not to play loud guitar rock again - or risk deafness. The Hart-Mould thing still seems to be a problem. Anyone in Minneapolis been to Greg Norton's restaurant? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 19:03:29 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] not you again << bad news for today. louise wener (ex of worlds worst britpop band sleeper) has her first novel out shortly. thought we'd seen her off but sadly this is not the case. p >> Were Sleeper worse than Menswear? Or Marion? Or Shed Seven? or Cast? or Kula Shaker?... Does anybody care? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:11:41 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] morrissey's nadir ?/Lou Reed i'm sticking with 'growing up in public' as lou's worst - with an honoury mention for 'my old man' which is truly awful. as for 'mistrial' - well at least i liked one track on it called - i think - 'video violence'. moving onot the latter part of his career, i reckon that in some ways the worst thing lou reed could have ever done is 'new york' (quiet at the back please...hear me out...) because as great as it was it seems to me that since then - and all the critical acclaim he received - lou has decided that every album has got to be some kind of big serious thing that proves what a great artist (and poet) he is. that's all well and good, but personally i'd like to see him..ahem...and i feel embarrassed using the word...'rock' occasionally. so since then lou's albums have just been so bloody wordy and miserable. and though i don't agree that his last LP 'ecstacy' was that bad it wasn't that great either, apart from what mark desc. as that long grinding track at the end (no i can't remember what it's called either) and one called 'big sky' which did...cough...rock. i guess it was lou that iggy pop was talking about when he was moaning a few years ago about his contemporaries taking themselves too seriously (and why he called an album 'naughtly little doggie'!). keith > I,m a huge fan of V.U,but Lou Reeds last c.d must go > on the list of really bad releases,I was so appalled > by it that I gave it away after my first listening,Lou > has 'lost it'Ari recently got the 3cd velvets boxset 'bootleg series: the quine tapes'. not great sound quality, but by god does that rock - and swagger too! > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 16:44:05 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] morrissey's nadir ?/Lou Reed totaly agree with you old chap.Is the 3-C.boxed set worth getting(I was on n.p.r 'tother day,they were talking 'bout how V.U has influence on 'todays r'n'r',I called in to say I thought that they were,in fact, the first Punk group,and so therefore Punk started in '67,not '76,coincidentaly they had just mentioned WIRE in reference to)they had a discussion in the studio,and all agreed!Ari*n.p.r=National Public Radio for those that don't live in the U.S.of A Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 00:52:26 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] not you again > Were Sleeper worse than Menswear? Or Marion? Or Shed Seven? or Cast? or Kula > Shaker?... > > Does anybody care? > > Mark i had a soft spot for marion. i saw them live a couple of times (supporting electrafixion at the buckley tivoli and that man morrissey right the other end of the country in ipswich) and thought they seemed really promising. there was even something a bit joy division-like about them, but somewhere along the line it all went wrong. it doesn't keep me awake at night, but it did seem a shame. still, they made a few pretty good early singles particularly 'sleep' which was used as an ad for something or other. as for menswear - well 'daydreamer' was quite a nice wire pastiche ! keith ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:10:51 EST From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Paul Weller Heliocentric yes yes yes, but have you heard heliocentric?? it blows all his other solo records away, even the greatest hits one... ~michael - ---------------------------- i loved the jam when i was younger, though maybe it's not worn as well as some music from that period (still like 'all mod cons' and, bizarrely, 'start' which was never one of my faves of theirs at the time). but paul weller is such a disappointment to me. i liked the odd solo single but i haven't heard anything of his in a while that was particularly good. ('changing man' was probably the last thing i liked by him). and i'm not advocating that he turns into joe dolce or someone, but christ he wants to stop being such a miserabel b*st*rd and lighten up a bit - oh yeah, and stop trying to be the new steve winwood as well. i watched that 'later' special on BBC2 a while ago, and the odd song apart (e.g. 'thats entertainment') it was dull, dull, DULL. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:29:42 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Paul Weller Heliocentric << yes yes yes, but have you heard heliocentric?? it blows all his other solo records away, even the greatest hits one... >> Not for me it doesn't. Apart from Wild Wood, which was a pretty decent stab at "mature" and a welcome relief from the Mick Talbot years, PW's solo career has increasingly degenerated into a seemingly endless noodling bluesy soulful Steve Winwood-esque jam session. He seems afraid - almost ashamed of his own strengths. Heliocentric, like Heavy Soul and most of Stanley Road, have left me cold. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 22 Jan 2002 21:21:44 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the cult I was worried there for a minute. Thought maybe you two were related ;^) They showed about 7 songs/live of there southern death cult/death cult stuff. Not bad at all. Kind of reminded me of echo and the bunnymen x 10. - --- Keith Astbury wrote: > last > > oh no. not the cult. i spent my early years wishing > their was a pop star with > the same name as me and then when one comes along > it's some bloke from > birkenhead who thinks he's a red indian... > > keith > > p.s. actually i saw them when they were still > southern death cult and they > were so good live i bought their 'fatman'/'moya' > single. don't like 'fatman' > very much but 'moya' is pretty good - i remember an > nme journo saying that > 'moya' had the best drum sound since 'hound dog' > which is pushing it a bit, > but it's still the best thing i've ever heard by them. Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:08:06 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] strength not guts Hey Robert So good of you to post the lyrics to 'I Know it's Over' ...that's really cheered me up first thing on a wet Wednesday Morning Next up, sing-alonga-joy division.... later A ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 23 Jan 2002 08:25:51 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol >>>can i just be contrary (again) and say i prefer 'chairs missing' ! keith I agree with you Keith. I think you once said that you first 'got into' Wire via the same Peel session that turned me onto them...not at home so can't check but something like...marooned, men 2nd, practice makes perfect or somesuch later A ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #24 ******************************