From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #22 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, January 22 2002 Volume 05 : Number 022 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol [Dj Na Na ] Re: AW: [idealcopy] Warm.......................Leatherette [RLynn9@aol.co] Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol [Eardrumb] Re: [idealcopy] Solo Wire=good..solo Smiths=bad! [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] why outdoor miner ? [fernando ] [idealcopy] Hood ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Hood [fernando ] Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] morrissey's nadir ?/Lou Reed [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] solo smiths = bad [Santa Cruzer ] Re: [idealcopy] solo smiths = bad [Paul Pietromonaco ] [idealcopy] Johnny Marr / The Cult [Dj Na Na ] Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol [Dj Na Na] Re: [idealcopy] Request [Dj Na Na ] Re: [idealcopy] Johnny Marr / The Cult [eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang)] Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol [Paul Pie] Re: [idealcopy] Johnny Marr / The Cult [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Request/realizing wire [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Johnny Marr / The Cult [Dj Na Na ] Re: [idealcopy] Request/realizing wire [Dj Na Na ] Re: [idealcopy] Request/realizing wire [Dj Na Na ] [idealcopy] Wire / Fad gadget etc. various other groups. Tapes [Dj Na Na ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:45:00 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol I was listening to some old 106.7 kroq(la station) tapes from 85 - 90 and I stumbled upon some wire tracks. For those that don't know kroq used to play a cool track or two back in the mid 80's tolate 80's. Electrtonic type stuff. 242 etc. Import shows with dusty street, egil(swedish egil), snake etc. Anyways I had always heared the name wire from my sisters friends, boyfriend etc. But didn't think anything of it. I knew they were good but when i played ahead, (again) today, I didn't fully realize what i had! Going through some of these tapes recently, solidified it again. Ahead is a brilliant track that makes me think of a robot for some reason. And i'm not sure if this next song is too cheesey or not but i'll try to sing it. I'm hurtin on thelyrics so bare with me, "Rock stones, rock ...... all my rock bye.. something something something, cavaleir all the same"???? It's a medium to mellow track with nice guitars and ends with them humming, "aahhheeyye eye eyy eyye "ahh oohhhhhhh ohh ohh oohhh oohhhhhhh." any help is appreciated. ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ World Domination Records & Industries Euphoria Records http://www.angelfire.com/nt/wd La Oldskool Page http://www.angelfire.com/ca7/Euphoria ~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~^~ Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:06:44 +0100 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] Warm.......................Leatherette > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > Von: RLynn9@aol.com [mailto:RLynn9@aol.com] > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Januar 2002 18:39 > An: xj23@yahoo.com; idealcopy@smoe.org > Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] Warm.......................Leatherette > The original 7" had a locked groove on TVOD ?? i don't > remember that...i'll > have to check when i get home....and yes, the Silicon Teens > are cool! i wish > i could find the lp "Music For Parties" on cd...Die Doraus > and Die Marinas > are cool too! "Fred Vom Jupiter"!!! ... just nitpicking ... it was: Andreas Dorau not: the Doraus Frank ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 06:22:15 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] (OT) go-betweens never a band i heard much of , i found a white label of an album called "talulah". could anyone send me a tracklist? is this good , bad or indifferent as GB's albums go? early or late? just curious. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:01:03 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] Warm.......................Leatherette Frank, << it was: Andreas Dorau not: the Doraus >> Same thing. the Fred...single is by 'Die Doraus und die Marinas'. Die Marinas appear to be five 11-14 year-old girls. Dorau was marketed as a teen pop star but was really part of the Holger Hiller/Der Plan set. The only other record by him that I have is Guten Morgen Hosen (good morning trousers!) - by Dorau & Hiller, which is claimed to be "a short opera". Catchy teen pop it ain't. Mark Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:04:59 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) go-betweens A good 'un. It's the penultimate GBs album (not including the comeback one of 1999). Contains Right Here, which is as near as they came to a hit. Bye bye pride and the Clarke sisters would make any GBs best of. Its predecessor (Liberty Belle and the Black Diamond Express) is better, but not by much. Track list is: Right here You tell me Someone else's wife I just get caught out Cut it out The house that Jack Kerouac built Bye bye pride Spirit of a Vampyre The Clarke Sisters Hope then strife << never a band i heard much of , i found a white label of an album called "talulah". could anyone send me a tracklist? is this good , bad or indifferent as GB's albums go? early or late? just curious. >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:19:23 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mozzer As Moz's solo career has come in for a bit of a pasting here I had a relisten last night. And mighty fine most of it is too. OK, it lacks the tension and originality of the Smiths, but it does a very good job of following a hard act. Of all the albums (and I don't posess Kill Uncle) the one that has dated most is Viva Hate. It veers towards big 80s production in places, which I guess was to be expected with a "pop" producer like Stephen Street circa 1987. The Your Arsenal/Vauxhall & I/Southpaw Grammar trilogy sounds very fine, and all three albums sound very different. And all contain at least one career high point (Glamorous glue/Now my heart is full/The teachers are afraid of the pupils). V&I sounded particularly good. As for Maladjusted, it's OK, but light on tunes. You can sense the well drying up (it was made at the time of the court case) and it contains the bitter 'Sorrow will come in the end' about said matter. This was deleted from the UK issue for legal reasons. But if you were in any doubt that Morrissey's solo career (all 10 years of it) was of value, make yourself this little compilation.... Suedehead Every day is like sunday Last of the famous international playboys November spawned a monster Glamorous glue Certain people I know We hate it when our friends become successful Now my heart is full Billy Budd Hold on to your friends The more I ignore you the closer I get Why don't you find out for yourself The boy racer Dagenham Dave Alma matters The teachers are afraid of the pupils Had Dagenham Dave been a Wire song, it would have been called Another Dagenham Dave. Contains splendid opening line "His head in the clouds and his mouth full of pie", enough to merit its inclusion. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 04:35:25 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] Warm.......................Leatherette I have the 7" from 78' on mute records and it's not a locked groove. - --- Woerner Frank wrote: > > -----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- > > Von: RLynn9@aol.com [mailto:RLynn9@aol.com] > > Gesendet: Freitag, 18. Januar 2002 18:39 > > An: xj23@yahoo.com; idealcopy@smoe.org > > Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] > Warm.......................Leatherette > > > The original 7" had a locked groove on TVOD ?? i > don't > > remember that...i'll > > have to check when i get home....and yes, the > Silicon Teens > > are cool! i wish > > i could find the lp "Music For Parties" on > cd...Die Doraus > > and Die Marinas > > are cool too! "Fred Vom Jupiter"!!! > > ... just nitpicking ... > > it was: Andreas Dorau not: the Doraus > > Frank Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 07:49:56 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol The "aahh-oouhhhh" you mention at the end of a song is spot on for 'Kidney Bingos', from the album 'A Bell Is A Cup Until It Is Struck'. Recommended, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 14:30:31 -0000 From: Alistair Tear Subject: [idealcopy] Request Could some kind person provide a set list from the Queens Hall Edinburgh show? Thanks A Btw saw Fad gadget at the Garage on Friday and he was totally (expletive) awesome.... then I worked out the other time I saw him was in 1984...18 years ago, blimey where does it go...? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:08:36 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: AW: [idealcopy] Warm.......................Leatherette In a message dated 1/21/02 6:02:07 AM Central Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: << Frank, << it was: Andreas Dorau not: the Doraus >> Same thing. the Fred...single is by 'Die Doraus und die Marinas'. Die Marinas appear to be five 11-14 year-old girls. Dorau was marketed as a teen pop star but was really part of the Holger Hiller/Der Plan set. The only other record by him that I have is Guten Morgen Hosen (good morning trousers!) - by Dorau & Hiller, which is claimed to be "a short opera". Catchy teen pop it ain't. Mark >> and i have a full length album...it's pretty darn good... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 10:43:38 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol In a message dated 1/21/02 5:46:30 AM, djnana2000@yahoo.com writes: << "Rock stones, rock ...... all my rock bye.. something something something, cavaleir all the same"???? It's a medium to mellow track with nice guitars and ends with them humming, "aahhheeyye eye eyy eyye "ahh oohhhhhhh ohh ohh oohhh oohhhhhhh." any help is appreciated. >> sounds like kidney bingos to me...most perfect pop song ever (imo)...well at least wire's most perfect pop song ever. absolutely brilliant - -another the paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 09:11:16 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Solo Wire=good..solo Smiths=bad! > The Smiths must have among the worst solo collection > of any band. Marr has > done some real dross, and every week I read in the > Manchester Evening News > of a new band, usually called something like > 'Megarider' or 'Steamer' that > features Andy Rourke, Mike Joyce and some random > Liam Gallagher-clone on > vocals. > That would be 'Jeep'. A colleague of mine is a good friend of Mike Joyce. They played their debut the week before Xmas. Not sure of the line up but Joyce plus ex Happy Mondays are definitely in there. Cheers John Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:20:53 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) go-betweens Robert Forrester and Grant McLenan (McLenahan?) I can't remember off the top of my head sure brought thoughtful singer/songwriting to a peak in the early/mid 80's in the Go-Betweens. Highly recommended if you enjoy the "craft of the song" as typified by some recent threads on this list. Also check out their solo works, and if you like stuff in that vein - Richard Davies, Cardinal, the Moles, Epic Soundtracks solo stuff too. - Steve. G - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, January 21, 2002 6:22 AM Subject: [idealcopy] (OT) go-betweens > never a band i heard much of , i found a white label of an album called "talulah". could anyone send me a tracklist? is this good , bad or indifferent as GB's albums go? early or late? just curious. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:25:32 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol It would have to fight it out with Outdoor Miner and Map Ref for that honor me thinks.... Steve. G > > sounds like kidney bingos to me...most perfect pop song ever (imo)...well at > least wire's most perfect pop song ever. absolutely brilliant ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:44:36 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol Er..Outdoor Miner?? Mark (aghast!) << sounds like kidney bingos to me...most perfect pop song ever (imo)...well at least wire's most perfect pop song ever. absolutely brilliant >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:53:19 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Solo Wire=good..solo Smiths=bad! John, << That would be 'Jeep'. A colleague of mine is a good friend of Mike Joyce. They played their debut the week before Xmas. Not sure of the line up but Joyce plus ex Happy Mondays are definitely in there. >> Stupid choice of name. The DaimlerChrysler Corporation is about the most litigious company in the world when it comes to protecting the Jeep trademark. I used to get letters if I referred to 4x4s generically as "Jeeps" in articles. they even once sent every motoring hack a little model Jeep with JEEP written on it so we could be reminded that a Jeep was a Jeep. Not a Land Rover, or a Mitsubishi Shogun etc. The Stereophonics fell foul of D-C just last year with their last wretched album which had to be renamed Just Enough Education to Perform instead of simply JEEP. So Joyce, Rourke et al will be changing to 'Steamer' next week I should imagine. Or 'Megarider'. Musicians. Not the sharpest tools in the shed. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:55:13 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) go-betweens << Robert Forrester and Grant McLenan (McLenahan?) >> McLennan. And indeed Forster. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:34:29 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mozzer In a message dated 21/01/2002 12:20:28 GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > The boy racer Must agree with most of that Mark.The boy racer is marvellous.I remember him playing live on " Jools" late one night & the band were really tight & loud. As an aside I was listening to Radio 3 last night & caught about 15 minutes of the band Hood.Interesting stuff.Anyone fill me in on what they're like & is a CD worth getting ? Chris ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:53:03 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol In a message dated 1/21/02 12:44:36 PM, Mark Bursa writes: << Er..Outdoor Miner?? Mark (aghast!) << sounds like kidney bingos to me...most perfect pop song ever (imo)...well at least wire's most perfect pop song ever. absolutely brilliant >> >> hey mark, nope. i think kidney bingos is the greatest thing ever when it comes to pop music. and i would do almost anything to see legions of teenyboppers and mall shoppers humming and singing along to it! just picture your boss, mom, you get the idea...singing along. c'mon, how great is that! if a genie gave me 3 wishes, that would be one of em, hehe - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:27:07 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: worst LP by someone good... ><< anyone got any other nominations for the worst album by someone good >award ? >> a friend bought me John Cale's 'Honi Soit'... i had to sell it... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:35:18 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mozzer >As Moz's solo career has come in for a bit of a pasting here... just chipping in here to say that my favourite Moz single is Piccadilly Palare/Get Off The Stage...but hey, what do i know? ;) the lyrics and the ascending/descending riff (on P.P.) do the biz for me...anyway...this, i think, is the one with most of Madness backing him...am i right in this assumption? Mark? ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:41:17 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] why outdoor miner ? I got this CD... got it when it came out, just because of the Wire cover (something that I do to a fault with Wire and Joy Division covers). I think this animal is more than a couple of years ago... it was before I noticed that they had become "popular" a few years later... If people want, I can rip an mp3 (at 192kbps)... once I am home, and have a fast connection to send it out. Just let me know. cheers! - -fernando PS Charles, I saw a glimpse of the orange Kidney Bingos from Germany 12in... been swamped to get back to you on a trade... but the record is not going anywhere. It will happen... At 10:04 AM -0800 1/17/02, Andrew Westmeyer wrote: >It has been released on CD, but it is an extreme rarity. I was trying >to hunt it down for a while. I never found it, but I did run across >someone in the UK (bloody home-field advantage...) who was also >desperately looking for it. > >Probably the best thing to do is to contact the band and beg for a CDR. > Or at least for the publishing info, in order to beg from the >publisher. > >Andrew > >--- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: >> having said that i liked my life >> > story's version of 'outdoor miner' from a couple of years ago >> >> ///// has that been released on a cd or did you see it live? can't >> ever recall hearing that one . p >Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! >http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 20:47:14 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Hood Chris, Hood seem to have been around for ages and gradually got more interesting as they've gone on, which is unusual in itself. i think it's maybe taken a while for them to discover who they really are as a band, i hope that makes sense. i'd 'loosely' describe them as Leeds' answer to Labradford (visualise cold, wind-swept moors...), only with more lyrical input and more tunes. heard/seen lots of good reports about the new LP, but not heard it myself yet. i can recommend 'Rustic Houses, Forlorn Valleys' as that's the one i'm most familiar with, hopefully someone else here can give you some more info. cheers, ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 12:56:20 -0800 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hood I liked their first LP and singles stuff, but then they veered into more quiet stuff that was not as appealing (Labradford being a good comparison). They got me hooked again with Home Is Where it Hurts EP - -- which I thought was brilliant, and capturing that old Factory fragility... the album that followed did not impress as much, or as quickly I should said, but I have to give it more listens (which I have not been able to do since I bought it). cheers! - -fernando At 8:47 PM +0000 1/21/02, ian.s. jackson wrote: >Chris, >Hood seem to have been around for ages and gradually got more >interesting as they've gone on, which is unusual in itself. i think >it's maybe taken a while for them to discover who they really are as >a band, i hope that makes sense. i'd 'loosely' describe them as >Leeds' answer to Labradford (visualise cold, wind-swept moors...), >only with more lyrical input and more tunes. heard/seen lots of good >reports about the new LP, but not heard it myself yet. i can >recommend 'Rustic Houses, Forlorn Valleys' as that's the one i'm >most familiar with, hopefully someone else here can give you some >more info. > >cheers, ian.s.j. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 13:10:27 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Fwd: Re: [idealcopy] morrissey's nadir ?/Lou Reed Note: forwarded message attached. Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ Received: from [66.57.11.239] by web11208.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:41:03 PST Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 02:41:03 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] morrissey's nadir ?/Lou Reed To: Eardrumbuz@aol.com In-Reply-To: <134.80718d9.297cee5a@aol.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Length: 318 I,m a huge fan of V.U,but Lou Reeds last c.d must go on the list of really bad releases,I was so appalled by it that I gave it away after my first listening,Lou has 'lost it'Ari Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:52:23 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mozzer Ian, << just chipping in here to say that my favourite Moz single is Piccadilly Palare/Get Off The Stage...but hey, what do i know? ;) the lyrics and the ascending/descending riff (on P.P.) do the biz for me...anyway...this, i think, is the one with most of Madness backing him...am i right in this assumption? Mark? >> I believe so, though I don't own that single. Bit too cheerful in a Digsy's Dinner sort of way ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:07:20 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: worst LP by someone good... << ><< anyone got any other nominations for the worst album by someone good >award ? > >> Magazine's Magic Murder & the Weather? Morrisey's Kill Uncle? The Cure's Wild Mood Swings (though the first track is excellent) Byrdmaniax? Republic after the first couple of tracks The fourth Gang of 4 album that is so terrible I can't even remember the title Squeeze by the Velvet Underground (post-Lou) The post-Jim Morrison Doors albums The Comsat Angels' 7 day Weekend Neil Young must surely be the daddy though - there's a whole decase's worth of dreadfulness! We have abysmal attempts at: Synth-rock (Trans) Big band Jazz (This note's for you) Rockabilly (Neil & the Shocking Pinks) - certainly was shocking :-) Grand Ol' Opry style country (Old Ways) And then Neil remembered who he was and made Eldorado, Ragged Glory etc as if the years 1980 to 1988 had never existed. Certainly Lou Reed deserves honourable mentions for Growing up in public and Mistrial. His last album has been nominated but I liked that enormous grinding 15--minute track on the last album (can't be arsed to look at the CD to find the title!) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:12:54 EST From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: worst LP by someone good... OK for some of you this won't matter. BUT, if you are a Paul Weller fan like me, then Heliocentric will make you look to see if perhaps the CD was pressed off-center. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:11:51 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] solo smiths = bad >Personally I'm amazed that the Smiths' appeal transferred at all to America. >It's hard to think of a more English band, and also one so far removed from >the prevailing '80s musical environment . > Actually, not so far. At the time, many American rock critics were calling The Smiths "a watered down version of R.E.M.". I kid you not. I think it was the chiming guitars. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 17:20:02 -0800 (PST) From: Santa Cruzer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] solo smiths = bad And as I recall from working in a record store in '84-85, the Smiths popularity in California at least was based on massive college radio play of "How Soon is Now?" Not too much after that as I recall! RJH < Just picked up Wire's 'Peel Sessions' for $6!> - --- Paul Pietromonaco wrote: > >Personally I'm amazed that the Smiths' appeal > transferred at all to > America. > >It's hard to think of a more English band, and also > one so far removed > from > >the prevailing '80s musical environment . > > > > Actually, not so far. At the time, many American > rock critics were > calling The Smiths "a watered down version of > R.E.M.". > > I kid you not. I think it was the chiming guitars. > > Cheers, > Paul Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:04:19 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] solo smiths = bad >And as I recall from working in a record store in >'84-85, the Smiths popularity in California at least >was based on massive college radio play of "How Soon >is Now?" Actually, I first became aware of them with "This Charming Man". In the "New Music 80's", that was the first song that I remember being heavily pushed in the U.S. There was an interesting compilation tape that Warner Brothers released which we thought was pretty fab. It was called the "Survival Sampler" and it came in a small can that looked like an Army food ration. The tracklisting was as follows (from Allmusic.com - I'm not near my can. (^_-)): 1. Wood Beez (Pray Like Aretha Franklin) performed by Scritti Politti - - 3:34 2. Wishful Thinking performed by China Crisis - 4:38 3. Electric Lash performed by Church, The - 4:25 4. More, More, More performed by Carmel - 3:12 5. Never Never performed by Assembly - 3:46 6. I'm Falling performed by Bluebells - 4:06 7. What Difference Does It Make? performed by Smiths, The 8. Sleepless performed by King Crimson 9. Pillar to Post performed by Aztec Camera 10. Caterpillar performed by Cure, The 11. Rainbow's End performed by Modern English 12. Everything Counts performed by Depeche Mode I remember this being my first exposure to The Cure and The Church, and I was surprised when I found out that these bands sounded nothing like the singles! (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:48:56 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: [idealcopy] Johnny Marr / The Cult Don't know if any of you americans saw the Cult last night on vh1 but it was pretty sweet. Lots of old footage of their dark early forms from 81-85. Johnny Marr was interviewed a few times praising Billy Duffy's guitar style and saying the She sell sanctuary was huge. Being a long time The Cult fan i'd have to say he's correct. My fav time of course being just before the love album and the love album. Nice n wicked stuff. - --- John Roberts wrote: > > The Smiths must have among the worst solo > collection > > of any band. Marr has > > done some real dross, and every week I read in the > > Manchester Evening News > > of a new band, usually called something like > > 'Megarider' or 'Steamer' that > > features Andy Rourke, Mike Joyce and some random > > Liam Gallagher-clone on > > vocals. > > > > > That would be 'Jeep'. A colleague of mine is a good > friend of Mike Joyce. They played their debut the > week before Xmas. Not sure of the line up but Joyce > plus ex Happy Mondays are definitely in there. > > Cheers > > John > Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! > http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:53:57 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol groovy, thanks Some nice little guitars in that one. I like that combo of the electronic sytnhs, dischords and electronic drums. Ahead is just brilliant. Can anyone reccomend some other birlliant tracks they've done? yes! - --- voyteck@webtv.net wrote: > The "aahh-oouhhhh" you mention at the end of a > song is spot on for > 'Kidney Bingos', from the album 'A Bell Is A Cup > Until It Is Struck'. > Recommended, > voyteck Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 18:57:27 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Request Did Fad gadget do "collapsing new people" ? Or was that fadbad girl? I have a nice little tape of songs but not sure of the spelling. - --- Alistair Tear wrote: > Could some kind person > provide a set list > from the Queens Hall Edinburgh > show? > Thanks > A > > Btw saw Fad gadget at the Garage on Friday > and he was totally (expletive) awesome.... > > then I worked out the other time I saw him > was in 1984...18 years ago, blimey > where does it go...? Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:32:51 -0800 (PST) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Johnny Marr / The Cult <> I agree with you on the early Cult. Up through Love they quite good. Then they had go ask producer Rick Rubin to 'change' their sound. Ugh! Big mistake. If you haven't already, check out their DVD. Some good stuff on it. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 19:34:24 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I can't belive i'm only realizing wire now. lol >Can anyone reccomend some other birlliant tracks >they've done? Well, personally, I'd recommend... ...all of 'em! (^_^) Seriously, though, the Wire list tends to fall into two camps. Those who prefer the 1977-era Wire, and those who prefer the 1986-era Wire. Although we think that both eras are great, the list members do tend to have a preference. If you liked Ahead, you should pick up The Ideal Copy, A Bell Is A Cup..., and It's Beginning To And Back Again (hereafter referred to as IBTABA). These are considered the cream of the 80's crop of Wire. (Strong marks, too, for the drummer-less Wir CD "The First Letter"). Manscape and The Drill do have their adherents - personally I rate The Drill pretty highly - but are probably more of an acquired taste. As for collections of 80's Wire, Coatings is excellent - and hopefully still available somewhere. (I'm sure one of the WMO guys will set me straight here! (^_^)) If you're interested in the 70's Wire, Pink Flag is considered the finest, with Chairs Missing and 154 following close behind. Some people rate all three equally. They're certainly superb albums, one and all. The other two CDs from this period, Document & Eyewitness and its corresponding WMO release Turns & Strokes, are very interesting documents of what might have been the fourth proper Wire album, had they ever recorded it. In their present form (especially Document & Eyewitness) the sound is a bit rough, since it was from one of their last gigs before regrouping in the 80's, so I can't recommend them for starters, but you might approve of the embryonic songs here. Collections from the 70's include On Returning (A-sides and album cuts), Behind The Curtain (demos) and The Peel Sessions (which are, of course, Peel Sessions.) I have On Returning, but it's just okay. I think there were some other 70's collections which were sequenced better, but since they're out of print, I think it's the one you'll have to get. Still, it might be easier to introduce yourself to the 70's Wire with Pink Flag. That just leaves the solo albums, which again splits the list into two camps, (The Colin camp vs. the Graham+Bruce=Dome camp), but I'm feeling that I'm probably gonna get flamed enough over this e-mail, so I'll let the rest of the list make suggestions for those! (^_^) (Although, I think Colin's A-Z is an uncanny masterpiece...) Cheers, Paul P.S. Also, Wire is doing stuff again - check out http://www.pinkflag.com for a new CD, vinyl single, and document of their RFH show. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:37:28 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Johnny Marr / The Cult In a message dated 1/21/02 8:50:08 PM Central Standard Time, djnana2000@yahoo.com writes: > Being a long time The Cult fan i'd have to say he's > correct. My fav time of course being just before the > love album and the love album. Nice n wicked stuff i'd agree completely...i saw the same show and it incited a friendly argument between a friend and myself..it seems he likes everything after Love and i like everything from Love backwards...oh well...to each his own as they say Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 22:59:43 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Request/realizing wire In a message dated 1/21/02 9:58:34 PM, djnana2000@yahoo.com writes: << Did Fad gadget do "collapsing new people" ? >> heh, yeah. i remember that song. you must have some pretty cool mix tapes there :o) if you like ahead, i recommend getting the ideal copy cd. of course, everyone on this list will tell you to get everything you can by wire, but that's probably a good place for you to start. if you're happy with that, my recommendation is to go one backwards from there to 154, their last before the long hiatus. it's a bit different from the 80's stuff, but you'll find it at the top of many fans lists of favorite albums by any band. it also gives you a good idea where they were coming from. cheers! - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:31:35 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Johnny Marr / The Cult I totally agree. Rick Rubin imo ruins bands sound if anything. Perhaps the only group he helped would be the beastie boys? I dunno but I like the new song they have. The trendy one with the tree on fire. Think it was featured in some racing movie too? There's are part in that song that has a lovish guitar part. Kind of a new direction I suppose cause when the song first starts out I didn't think it was the cult. Does anyone know if this new album is any good? Sorry to get off topic, I still love wire ;^) >Eric wrote: >I agree with you on the early Cult. Up through Love >they quite good. Then they had go ask producer Rick Rubin to 'change' their sound. Ugh! > Big mistake. If you haven't already, check out their > DVD. Some good > stuff on it. > Eric Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:52:35 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Request/realizing wire Yeah I have a bunch of old kroq dancey clubby industrial shit. Marsfm tapes, early acid house n techno tapes from 88 89. And of course my favorite tapes, the mixes of older 80's stuff ala 82-87. I just pulled this one tape out tonight. Here's what it has. 1.Wire-ahead, 2.chameleons-don't fall? 3. love n rockets-haunted with the minutes(yes!), 4.cabaret voltaire-I want you. 5.Flying tigers-user friendly(great track!), 6.Yellow-I love you(different from the original must be a remix), 7.Blancmange-feel me now. 8.collapsing new people-fad gadget. 9.??? Not sure the song is called "is it a dream and i think it's the damned? very pretty like song. 10.I think is a love n rockets song, it is very surfy sounding with seaguls and ocean waves and surfy guitars, electronic drums, etc. Some samples are, "So twist twist twsit tomorows man and me" "the panda club is something something somthing, so twist twist twist tommorws man and me?" or some such. Then it goes into this violent guitar part and mellows back down into seaguls and waves. Kinda haunting track i suppose. It paid for my sister to have friends with good taste coming over around 82-87. So glad I'm not a metal head hahaha. - --- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/21/02 9:58:34 PM, > djnana2000@yahoo.com writes: > > << Did Fad gadget do "collapsing new people" ? >> > > heh, yeah. i remember that song. you must have some > pretty cool mix tapes > there :o) > > if you like ahead, i recommend getting the ideal > copy cd. of course, everyone > on this list will tell you to get everything you can > by wire, but that's > probably a good place for you to start. if you're > happy with that, my > recommendation is to go one backwards from there to > 154, their last before > the long hiatus. it's a bit different from the 80's > stuff, but you'll find it > at the top of many fans lists of favorite albums by > any band. it also gives > you a good idea where they were coming from. > > cheers! > > -paul c.d. Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:56:27 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Request/realizing wire Yeah I have a bunch of old kroq dancey clubby industrial shit. Marsfm tapes, early acid house n techno tapes from 88 89. And of course my favorite tapes, the mixes of older 80's stuff ala 82-87. I just pulled this one tape out tonight. Here's what it has. 1.Wire-ahead, 2.chameleons-don't fall? 3. love n rockets-haunted with the minutes(yes!), 4.cabaret voltaire-I want you. 5.Flying tigers-user friendly(great track!), 6.Yellow-I love you(different from the original must be a remix), 7.Blancmange-feel me now. 8.collapsing new people-fad gadget. 9.??? Not sure the song is called "is it a dream and i think it's the damned? very pretty like song. 10.I think is a love n rockets song, it is very surfy sounding with seaguls and ocean waves and surfy guitars, electronic drums, etc. Some samples are, "So twist twist twsit tomorows man and me" "the panda club is something something somthing, so twist twist twist tommorws man and me?" or some such. Then it goes into this violent guitar part and mellows back down into seaguls and waves. Kinda haunting track i suppose. It paid for my sister to have friends with good taste coming over around 82-87. So glad I'm not a metal head hahaha. - --- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/21/02 9:58:34 PM, > djnana2000@yahoo.com writes: > > << Did Fad gadget do "collapsing new people" ? >> > > heh, yeah. i remember that song. you must have some > pretty cool mix tapes > there :o) > > if you like ahead, i recommend getting the ideal > copy cd. of course, everyone > on this list will tell you to get everything you can > by wire, but that's > probably a good place for you to start. if you're > happy with that, my > recommendation is to go one backwards from there to > 154, their last before > the long hiatus. it's a bit different from the 80's > stuff, but you'll find it > at the top of many fans lists of favorite albums by > any band. it also gives > you a good idea where they were coming from. > > cheers! > > -paul c.d. Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 21 Jan 2002 21:57:43 -0800 (PST) From: Dj Na Na Subject: [idealcopy] Wire / Fad gadget etc. various other groups. Tapes Yeah I have a bunch of old kroq dancey clubby industrial shit. Marsfm tapes, early acid house n techno tapes from 88 89. And of course my favorite tapes, the mixes of older 80's stuff ala 82-87. I just pulled this one tape out tonight. Here's what it has. 1.Wire-ahead, 2.chameleons-don't fall? 3. love n rockets-haunted with the minutes(yes!), 4.cabaret voltaire-I want you. 5.Flying tigers-user friendly(great track!), 6.Yellow-I love you(different from the original must be a remix), 7.Blancmange-feel me now. 8.collapsing new people-fad gadget. 9.??? Not sure the song is called "is it a dream and i think it's the damned? very pretty like song. 10.I think is a love n rockets song, it is very surfy sounding with seaguls and ocean waves and surfy guitars, electronic drums, etc. Some samples are, "So twist twist twsit tomorows man and me" "the panda club is something something somthing, so twist twist twist tommorws man and me?" or some such. Then it goes into this violent guitar part and mellows back down into seaguls and waves. Kinda haunting track i suppose. It paid for my sister to have friends with good taste coming over around 82-87. So glad I'm not a metal head hahaha. - --- Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > > In a message dated 1/21/02 9:58:34 PM, > djnana2000@yahoo.com writes: > > << Did Fad gadget do "collapsing new people" ? >> > > heh, yeah. i remember that song. you must have some > pretty cool mix tapes > there :o) > > if you like ahead, i recommend getting the ideal > copy cd. of course, everyone > on this list will tell you to get everything you can > by wire, but that's > probably a good place for you to start. if you're > happy with that, my > recommendation is to go one backwards from there to > 154, their last before > the long hiatus. it's a bit different from the 80's > stuff, but you'll find it > at the top of many fans lists of favorite albums by > any band. it also gives > you a good idea where they were coming from. > > cheers! > > -paul c.d. Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! 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