From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #19 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, January 19 2002 Volume 05 : Number 019 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] live wire [Ari Britt ] RE: [idealcopy] UK currency ["Eric Klaver" ] Re: [idealcopy] live wire [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] voices ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] Warm.......................Leatherette [BillyD ] Re: [idealcopy] voices [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] voices [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: my life story [Rain19c@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] voices ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: my life story ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] cds for sale/trade...ever so slightly wire related post [Eard] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 04:09:24 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] live wire Just aquired the booklet:Wire:'exploded views',it came with a 23 minute c.d titled 'Wire live,may 1990'and contains 4 trax,Sixth,What,1 2 Drill U and Underwater. Does anyone out there know the venue?Ari Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:33:51 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] UK currency Tim said: we have one of the shoddiest railway systems in the western world! /////////////////// Ever been to Canada? Trains here mean for shipping ore, logs, and cattle (I would include humans in that category as far as VIA rail is concerned). At least your trains go to the airport. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:34:37 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] live wire > Just aquired the booklet:Wire:'exploded views',it came > with a 23 minute c.d titled 'Wire live,may 1990'and > contains 4 trax,Sixth,What,1 2 Drill U and Underwater. > Does anyone out there know the venue?Ari this is supposedly from the london gig on the manscape tour , i think the hibernian club. although i also have a tape of that gig and its not the same as the cd so either the maker of my tape or that book is probably fibbing , never worked out which. i saw the bristol gig on that tour which was superb , before the Y2K gigs it was probably my favourite ever wire gig. or maybe i should say wir gig as robert never played on that tour. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:23:22 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] voices From: Bart van Damme To: wire-news Sent: Wednesday, January 16, 2002 10:22 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] voices bart said > Mine would be: > > Colin, Bob Pollard, Morrissey, Ian McCulloch, Joe Strummer, John Lydon, > Callas, Kathleen Ferrier, Liz Frazer,Lisa Gerrard, Kim Deal, Kazu Makino, > Billie Holiday, Elvis, Bowie, Ferry, Nick Cave, Tom Waits, Leonard Cohen... i forgot about morrissey - and i never thought i'd hear myself say that. i saw him at liverpool on his last tour over here late 1999 and although he didn't have any new material to promote i assumed that as he was gigging again he'd be at least geting round to record something. but no, here we are 2 years or so later and nothing. and apparently, although he's been writing and (i think) recording again, he hasn't even got a recording contract now. i don't know whether you saw the questionaire he completed for Q magazine a few months ago, but it was very funny and proved that if nothing else he's lost none of his wit. now all we need are some songs... as for the gig, in case you're wondering, it wasn't perhaps vintage morrissey overall, but it was a really good greatest hits kind of show - and the version of 'meat is murder' was exceptional... keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 09:24:41 -0800 (PST) From: BillyD Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warm.......................Leatherette I agree with Tim on this ine. I own the 7" (with the locked groove on TVOD), the cd single (with no locked groove, just a pathetic fadeout. Hell, they could have filled the whole cd with white noise.) as well as being on several compilations. Give this track a rest! Listen to the Silicon Teens... Cheers, Billy > > Woh! Calm down boys! > I'm not dissing The Normal! > I agree Its a wicked song, but I was referring to > the fact that I already > have three compilations with that tune on it. So the > RT comp would make it > a 4th!! ===== . ./\/\/\. [ . . ] /\ -- -Get Well Sammy! (R)SOT Ltd. http://depechemode.acmecity.com/freestate/54 http://www.fortunecity.com/uproar/mental/111/ Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 12:39:01 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Warm.......................Leatherette In a message dated 1/18/02 11:26:12 AM Central Standard Time, xj23@yahoo.com writes: << I agree with Tim on this ine. I own the 7" (with the locked groove on TVOD), the cd single (with no locked groove, just a pathetic fadeout. Hell, they could have filled the whole cd with white noise.) as well as being on several compilations. Give this track a rest! Listen to the Silicon Teens... Cheers, Billy >> The original 7" had a locked groove on TVOD ?? i don't remember that...i'll have to check when i get home....and yes, the Silicon Teens are cool! i wish i could find the lp "Music For Parties" on cd...Die Doraus and Die Marinas are cool too! "Fred Vom Jupiter"!!! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 19:12:09 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] voices Keith said: > i forgot about morrissey - and i never thought i'd hear myself say that. i > saw him at liverpool on his last tour over here late 1999 and although he > didn't have any new material to promote i assumed that as he was gigging > again he'd be at least geting round to record something. but no, here we are > 2 years or so later and nothing. and apparently, although he's been writing > and (i think) recording again, he hasn't even got a recording contract now. > i don't know whether you saw the questionaire he completed for Q magazine a > few months ago, but it was very funny and proved that if nothing else he's > lost none of his wit. now all we need are some songs... > as for the gig, in case you're wondering, it wasn't perhaps vintage > morrissey overall, but it was a really good greatest hits kind of show - and > the version of 'meat is murder' was exceptional... Heeey nice to hear! Never seen him live, but he always was one of my fave's. Such a rare talent. Never understood people liking the Smiths but not Morrissey. Met a girl in Granada - Spain - once who kept saying [very annoyingly] "I like Durrrrutti Column and Smiths, but don't like Morrrrrissey" over and over again. Gad, the sound of that horrible voice haunts me till this day... The one I forgot in my list is Mark Stewart. Also one of those very very unique voices! Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:20:18 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] voices In a message dated 1/18/02 12:13:45 PM Central Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: << The one I forgot in my list is Mark Stewart. Also one of those very very unique voices! Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl >> YES!!! Mark Stewart is great! does anyone know if his book " Control Data" ever came out?? there was an excerpt of it in that old Tape Delay book.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:21:29 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] voices In a message dated 1/18/02 12:13:45 PM Central Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: << Met a girl in Granada - Spain - once who kept saying [very annoyingly] "I like Durrrrutti Column and Smiths, but don't like Morrrrrissey" over and over again. Gad, the sound of that horrible voice haunts me till this day... >> well if she liked Durutti Column and the Smiths, how could she not like Morrissey's first album????!!!!...it sounds like a great combination of the two ! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:27:05 EST From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: my life story >personally, i thought my life story were an under-rated pop band - = >somwhere between pulp and the divine comedy - with a sometimes = >over-the-top sound, but maybe they were more of an acquired taste than i = >thought... i burned a copy of the last my life story disc("joined up talking") from a friend, and i have to say it's one of the worst brit-pop related cds i have heard. jake strains to reach most of the notes singing, and titles like "if you cant live without me then why arent you dead yet?" and "there's nothing for nobody and everyody wants to be someone" shows he fails the pet shop boys/morrissey school of clever-clever songtitles. I won't even get to how shit the lyrics are("she's a cartoon strip but no one has colored here in yet" "shebs down on her make-up, shebs a storm in a c cup"). ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:20:31 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] voices >> Met a girl in Granada - Spain - once who kept saying [very annoyingly] "I >> like Durrrrutti Column and Smiths, but don't like Morrrrrissey" over and >> over again. Gad, the sound of that horrible voice haunts me till this day... > well if she liked Durutti Column and the Smiths, how could she not like > Morrissey's first album????!!!!...it sounds like a great combination of the > two ! That wasn't even out back then! ['87?] Gad, I'm old! I never was a great fan of Durutti btw... Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 20:55:44 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: my life story - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; Sent: Friday, January 18, 2002 6:27 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Re: my life story > >personally, i thought my life story were an under-rated pop band - = > >somwhere between pulp and the divine comedy - with a sometimes = > >over-the-top sound, but maybe they were more of an acquired taste than i = > >thought... > > i burned a copy of the last my life story disc("joined up talking") from a > friend, and i have to say it's one of the worst brit-pop related cds i have > heard. jake strains to reach most of the notes singing, and titles like "if > you cant live without me then why arent you dead yet?" and "there's nothing > for nobody and everyody wants to be someone" shows he fails the pet shop > boys/morrissey school of clever-clever songtitles. I won't even get to how > shit the lyrics are("she's a cartoon strip but no one has colored here in > yet" "shebs down on her make-up, shebs a storm in a c cup"). > > ~michael i was right then. they *are* an aquired taste. i thought 'joined up talking' was ok (their debut 'mornington crescent' is their best though - 'funny ha ha' and the original 'you don't sparkle' are great pop songs). jake does strain when he sings, but that's his style, competing with everything and the kitchen sink. and whilst I would never compare him with moz or the PSB's (well there's not many people that would stand up to comparison with either's lyrics in my eyes), i have to say "she's a storm in a c- cup" does it for me ! ok, it's not as funny "let me get my hands on your mamary glands" or "i left for the station with a haversack and some trepidation", but it says what it has to say. keith (sorry i ever mentioned MLS in the first place) astbury ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 16:16:17 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] voices robert wrote: << > well if she liked Durutti Column and the Smiths, how could she not like > Morrissey's first album????!!!!...it sounds like a great combination of the > two ! bart replied (hehe, i almost typed repiled...i don't know why i think that's funny either): That wasn't even out back then! ['87?] >> i'm writing: i loooove durutti column, i really really liked the smiths a lot, and i enjoyed the suedehead single, but nothing after that, not the album nor any of the ones that followed really did too much for me. i like some morrissey songs here and there, but his music is just missing whatever it was that the smiths had (personnel or a mood or something). i think vini reilly should have had much more presence on the first morrissey album. and i'm not saying that just cuz i'm a huge fan of dc; i think it just would've been a more intriguing record. - -paul p.s. i also like vini's singing voice! not too many people will admit to that :o) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 13:42:42 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] live wire/antony Antony,I obtained it from www.towerrecords.com they are 'low on stock',if you just want a copy of the c.d,drop me a line privately.Ari Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 19 Jan 2002 02:41:52 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] cds for sale/trade...ever so slightly wire related post hi everybody, i caught a sale at my local virgin megastore, ya know, one of those virgin sales that brings most cds down to regular prices...but anyway, there were some bargains, i thought, including whore (which i have always wanted to get and finally did for $7.99!)...of course, as usual, impulse took over and i spent way more than i should have...so, here are some things i picked up that i think some idealcopyists might be interested in (if you want to help me defray the cost of pissing off my wife)...just email me offlist with a dollar amount or trade offer: streetwise 2cd comp-house our youth 2000 (features moby, boy george, fatboy slim, cj bolland, st etienne, meat beat manifesto, monaco, ikon, and more) trance II 2cd comp-a state of altered consciousness (various artists mixed by noel sanger and others) berlioz- symphonie fantastique, op 14 (varujan kojian/utah symphony orch.) pere ubu-folly of youth see dee+ (music cd for stereo +cd-rom for mac or windows) andrea parkins-slippage (knitting factory records) "spellbinding study in textures, noise, and improvisational high-wires" -earshot william hooker, christian marclay, lee ranaldo-bouquet (live @ the knitting factory 4/24/99) orbital-the altogether (2001 german release) christopher franke-babylon 5: endgame soundtrack the residents -13th anniversary show (live in tokyo 10/30/85) featuring snakefinger the stranglers-the sessions (bbc recordings from 1977-82) chameleons u.k.-strange times +bonus album elastica-connection cdep (4 songs) cheers! - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #19 ******************************