From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #18 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, January 18 2002 Volume 05 : Number 018 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] UK currency [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Rough Trade Electronic Comp. [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Rough Trade Electronic Comp. [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Mission of Burma NYC concert review-NY Times [Michael ] [idealcopy] Warm.......................Leatherette [Tim > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 07:03:36 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rough Trade Electronic Comp. I think Tim is referring to over-familiarity... It's like when bands play Wire covers - you're glad they're paying respect to Wire - but why do they always choose Outdoor Miner? Mark << what's wrong with 'warm leatherette' ? it's a great record - >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:28:03 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rough Trade Electronic Comp. In a message dated Thu, 17 Jan 2002 7:04:38 AM Eastern Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > I think Tim is referring to over-familiarity... It's like when bands play > Wire covers - you're glad they're paying respect to Wire - but why do they > always choose Outdoor Miner? > /////or 12xu. first rule of wire covers ; the world probably has enough versions of those 2 songs. wonder how those german guys are getting on with their tribute album project? p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 09:26:28 -0500 From: Michael Subject: [idealcopy] Mission of Burma NYC concert review-NY Times Post-Punk Post-Mortem Keeps a Reputation Intact By JON PARELES Mission of Burma, which played its first concerts since 1983 on Saturday and Sunday at Irving Plaza, had a typical post-punk career. Formed in Boston in 1979, it released one album ("Vs." in 1982) along with scattered singles and an EP during its four-year existence. But Mission of Burma was never forgotten. In some ways Mission of Burma was the perfect band for a city full of students. With titles like "Academy Fight Song" and "Max Ernst," it never pretended to be anti-intellectual; one song complains about being surrounded by "Dumbells." Yet the group's songs had no ivory-tower effeteness. Its music was grounded in brawny physicality. Mr. Miller wrung dissonant chords and feedback from his guitar as Peter Prescott's drumming marched and rumbled and crashed; the guitar and Clint Conley's bass grappled continually for melodic high ground. A fourth member ? Martin Swope in 1979-83, Bob Weston now ? worked at the soundboard, adding tape loops and echoes to the mix. Mission of Burma drew freely on contemporaries like Wire, Gang of Four, Joy Division and Talking Heads. Its music veered from tuneful but contorted punk-rock (mostly Mr. Conley's songs) to gnarled, dissonant riffs and abrupt meter changes (mostly Mr. Miller's songs). The lyrics had a caustic earnestness, repudiating fame and fortune or insisting, "Don't give up, don't give in, learn how." ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 15:51:14 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] why outdoor miner ? It's like when bands play > Wire covers - you're glad they're paying respect to Wire - but why do they > always choose Outdoor Miner? > /////or 12xu. first rule of wire covers ; the world probably has enough versions of those 2 songs. well you could say it's because they're two of their best songs, though the truth is it's probably down to laziness or ignorance even - perhaps they're the only wire songs these people know! having said that i liked my life story's version of 'outdoor miner' from a couple of years ago (though i seem to be the only person on earth who likes them) and it was nice to hear elastica's live version of '12XU' (from some festival a couple of years ago) on radio ones evening session recently - not because it was a particularly fantastic version (it was ok), but because i'm always curious about hearing cover versions of songs by my fave artists. and of course, it would be nice if it made just one person who'd never heard wire go out and listen to them after that. (how terribly liberal of me...) keith ps i seem to remember reading in 'everybody loves a history' that when wire wrote '12XU' they were trying to write a T.Rex song. as a big bolan fan myself i would be interested if anyone out there can work out where wire were coming from on this one cos it's not T.Rex as we know them! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 12:01:34 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] why outdoor miner ? having said that i liked my life > story's version of 'outdoor miner' from a couple of years ago (though i seem > to be the only person on earth who likes them) ///// has that been released on a cd or did you see it live? can't ever recall hearing that one . p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2002 10:04:28 -0800 (PST) From: Andrew Westmeyer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] why outdoor miner ? It has been released on CD, but it is an extreme rarity. I was trying to hunt it down for a while. I never found it, but I did run across someone in the UK (bloody home-field advantage...) who was also desperately looking for it. Probably the best thing to do is to contact the band and beg for a CDR. Or at least for the publishing info, in order to beg from the publisher. Andrew - --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > having said that i liked my life > > story's version of 'outdoor miner' from a couple of years ago > > ///// has that been released on a cd or did you see it live? can't > ever recall hearing that one . p Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 00:57:35 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] re. why outdoor miner the version of 'outdoor miner' by the now defunct my life story was on = the 'mornington crescent companion ep' cd from 1995 - more details on = the attached link. if you can't be bothered reading it, david stubbs of melody maker called = their version 'rotten' ! see what i mean about no-one liking them. i = haven't played it in a long time, but if i remember rightly it was = singer jake shillingford (now that's what i call a pop star name!) = really going for it over what sounded like a string quartet. i noticed = on a MLS website that they were thinking of releasing albums of rare = tracks and b-sides if they can sort out the legalities, though it = doesn't say what tracks they had in mind. otherwise, when i find mine - = if i ever get sorted after my house move - i'll copy it. personally, i thought my life story were an under-rated pop band - = somwhere between pulp and the divine comedy - with a sometimes = over-the-top sound, but maybe they were more of an acquired taste than i = thought... keith http://www.twelvereasonswhy.co.uk/ [demime 0.97c removed an attachment of type application/octet-stream which had a name of 12 Reasons Why.url] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:41:39 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] UK currency Not legal tender. That note was replaced by a crumply little thing with George Stephenson on the back...who invented trains. Quite ironic as we have one of the shoddiest railway systems in the western world! At 04:30 17/01/2002 -0500, you wrote: >Date: Wed, 16 Jan 2002 19:58:44 -0800 >From: "John M Campbell" >Subject: [idealcopy] UK currency > >I wonder if some nice English list person can help me. I just won an auction >on eBay and the seller is in Devon, UK. Now it happens that I have a five >pound note w/ her majesty on one side andtheDuke of Wellington on the other. >My question is....is this note(souvenier of a great trip of awhile ago) still >legal tender? It's the exact amount of the transaction - so convenient. > Anyway thanksfor any help..........Cheers, johnc ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 18 Jan 2002 01:52:05 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Warm.......................Leatherette Robert Shouted: >I WILL NEVER GET SICK OF WARM LEATHERETTE!!! OR THE B-SIDE T.V. >O.D...!!!!.... Keith said: >what's wrong with 'warm leatherette' ? it's a great record - as is 'tvod' on >the other side (and grace jones version of 'leatherette' is pretty fab too) Woh! Calm down boys! I'm not dissing The Normal! I agree Its a wicked song, but I was referring to the fact that I already have three compilations with that tune on it. So the RT comp would make it a 4th!! ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #18 ******************************