From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #13 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, January 13 2002 Volume 05 : Number 013 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] xtc [Bart van Damme ] [idealcopy] ars revisited [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] arse revisited [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] wizzard brew ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: the last word on devoto? / mansun ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] wizzard brew ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] Voices [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Software DJ [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] OT-R.I.P. Esquivel [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 16:34:04 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] xtc Keith wrote: > ps can i be really contentious and include 'lewis' cos if he's singing on a > wire track then it means that colin's not... C'mon, a few songs they sing together! But I have to say Colin is also my fave! By far! Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:22:12 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] ars revisited well i finally got that "bruce live at ars electronica 97" thing downloaded. good to see bruce going for a crowd pleasing set , as ever. yowza yowza whilst searching for it on winmx i did laugh to see listed the disco classic by the cutting crew "i just died in your arse tonight" listed alongside bruce. what can you say? p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 17:29:02 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] arse revisited > well i finally got that "bruce live at ars electronica 97" thing downloaded. > good to see bruce going for a crowd pleasing set , as ever. yowza yowza yeah, great hoovering-sounds here! > whilst searching for it on winmx i did laugh to see listed the disco classic > by the cutting crew "i just died in your arse tonight" listed alongside > bruce. what can you say? p What can I say? "arse electronica 97" Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 10:16:36 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wizzard brew Hold on there a miniute babalouie!!! Wizzards Brew by the cracked genius Roy Wood is a marvelous, audacious album. No, it's not like See My Baby Jive - that's Roy's pop side - it's more like heavy late-period move, mixed with genre excursions into 50's rock 'n roll and weird hornbased jazz riffs in these fantatistic, bombastic Frankenstein monsters of songs. Just for a single example - and if this dosen't want to make you, or any run out and buy it right now, well then there's no hope for you - "Jolly Cup of Tea" features a marching band - think the British Expeditionary Forces coming back from an engagement in Gunga Din starting off with a pubbish singalong, goes into a triple drum solo, a whistling and glockenspiel section and then out to the refrain, all in two minutes. My personal favorite is the album closer "Wear a Fast Gun" which starts off as an early ELOish ballad (wouldn't have sounded out of place on Boulders - which by the way is another brilliant Wood album that languished for centuries in the 99 cent bins), brings in the fauxBeatles barouque horns for counterpoint against the vocal carries on that way for about 5 minutes, then goes to a countermelody and codas out for 3 minutes with the gorgeoug largo melody on the lower strings against acoustic guitars. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: "ideal copy" Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:29 AM Subject: [idealcopy] wizzard brew > < < < < Creation book...Xmas prezzie) and a 6 song 12" EP from '73 by < 'Brew'...but i'm totally skint after Xmas, so i hid them and > << hope i remember where they are at the end of the month...! > > ian - leave 'wizzard brew' where you found it. i kept seeing it for 50p in my > local record shop when i was still in school and eventually couldn't resist > any longer. now admittedly it's been a long time since i played it, but it was > really really terrible. if you're expecting an album full of 'see my baby > jives' - and wouldn't that be great - think again !!! > keith > p.s. is 'skeleton records' worth a visit then. it's only half an hour up the > road. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:04:17 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: the last word on devoto? / mansun mark's right - at least mansun do try something different, which is probably why they get ridiculed by the british press who will no doubt laud them retrospectively in a few years time. i prefer their last album though to be honest. i know 'little kix' isn't as ambitious as 'six', but neither is it so...well...overblown. and 'little kix' gas got such great toons too. i reckon 'i can only disappoint u' is one of the best singles of the last couple of years. and it's so like the associates, you can almost imagine billy singing it... - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 10:59 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: the last word on devoto? / mansun > > << yes, this is right. "railings" is on the "being a girl" single and its a > rather fantastic epic style song...paul and howard both sing on it, and i > have to say its better then the demo version i have with just devoto > singing...<< > > Must admit I prefer the Devoto version (which you can download either from > the Mansun site or from shotbybothsides.com, the Magazine site. > > >> howard also co-wrote "everyone must win" with draper on the "closed for > business" single, another excellent song, although a bit poppier. > mansun also covered "shot by both sides" on their last peel session...<< > > Bit obvious...wonder why didn't they do something more challenging! > > >>mansun's "six" is still is one of my fav records of all time, a epic mix > of > prog/punk/electronica/cut 'n' paste rock that *might* appeal to some ideal > copiers... >> > > An excellent album, if it does go on a bit. Almost all the noises are guitars > through tons of old '80s effect pedals - there are hardly any keyboards or > samples on it. Certainly one of the few Britpop bands that seem prepared to > try different things, even though they don't always come off (eg the last > album) > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 19:28:51 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wizzard brew well done stephen - if i hadn't already got it, you'd have sold it to me ! i did say it was a long time since i heard it (25 yrs ?) but i can't recall anything to recommend about other than it's sheer eclecticism (so much i seem to recall us all laughing at it's audaciousness) however, i'm glad that someone else here rates mr wood - he made some of the best singles of the late 60's/early 70's. as we're mentioning him, i just thought i'd tell you about the time i was in a pub in oswestry (small market town for those not in the know) about ten years ago, when this little bloke with long hair, a long beard that descended into two points, and a pair of small round purple glasses walked in. 'bloody hell' i thought - 'it's roy wood', cos even though i hadn't seen or heard anything of him for some time (this was before his mid-90's mini-revival) - and he was much smaller than you would think - it could only have been an older version of that bloke in the warpaint from all those years ago. anyway, he walked towards me on his way to the bar, and this girl i knew introduced me to him. i was quite excited and told him i'd been a big fan of his. now whether it was cos my sentence used the past tense or whether he was just in a bad mood i don't know, but he never even replied. he just walked off. 'you bastard' i thought. 'i bought 'fire brigade' when i was seven - that was a lot of pocket money on one purchase !'. i mean, i didn't expect him to sit and discuss the production values of 'brontosaurus' or go into detail about why the 2nd wizzard album was a rocknroll pastiche, but a simple hello would have been nice. anyway, it put me off for him a short time, but ignorant gitt or not, i still think he was a great talent. and i chose the past tense carefully this time ! - ----- Original Message ----- From: Stephen Graziano To: Keith Astbury ; Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wizzard brew > Hold on there a miniute babalouie!!! Wizzards Brew by the cracked genius > Roy Wood is a marvelous, audacious album. No, it's not like See My Baby > Jive - that's Roy's pop side - it's more like heavy late-period move, mixed > with genre excursions into 50's rock 'n roll and weird hornbased jazz riffs > in these fantatistic, bombastic Frankenstein monsters of songs. Just for a > single example - and if this dosen't want to make you, or any run out and > buy it right now, well then there's no hope for you - "Jolly Cup of Tea" > features a marching band - think the British Expeditionary Forces coming > back from an engagement in Gunga Din starting off with a pubbish singalong, > goes into a triple drum solo, a whistling and glockenspiel section and then > out to the refrain, all in two minutes. My personal favorite is the album > closer "Wear a Fast Gun" which starts off as an early ELOish ballad > (wouldn't have sounded out of place on Boulders - which by the way is > another brilliant Wood album that languished for centuries in the 99 cent > bins), brings in the fauxBeatles barouque horns for counterpoint against the > vocal carries on that way for about 5 minutes, then goes to a countermelody > and codas out for 3 minutes with the gorgeoug largo melody on the lower > strings against acoustic guitars. > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Keith Astbury" > To: "ideal copy" > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:29 AM > Subject: [idealcopy] wizzard brew > > > > < > < vinyl > > < > < < > Creation book...Xmas prezzie) and a 6 song 12" EP from '73 by < called > > 'Brew'...but i'm totally skint after Xmas, so i hid them and > > << hope i remember where they are at the end of the month...! > > > > ian - leave 'wizzard brew' where you found it. i kept seeing it for 50p in > my > > local record shop when i was still in school and eventually couldn't > resist > > any longer. now admittedly it's been a long time since i played it, but it > was > > really really terrible. if you're expecting an album full of 'see my baby > > jives' - and wouldn't that be great - think again !!! > > keith > > p.s. is 'skeleton records' worth a visit then. it's only half an hour up > the > > road. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 11:35:11 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: [Shriek_Digicon] try this. - --- Ari Britt wrote: > To: shriek_digicon@yahoogroups.com > From: Ari Britt > Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 07:49:10 -0800 (PST) > Subject: [Shriek_Digicon] try this. > Reply-to: Shriek_Digicon@yahoogroups.com > > > > > > > > 2. 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I really enjoyed your reply. I've been a big Roy Wood fan for as long as I can remember, And of course the Move and early ELO too. Roy is actually playing in New York City in March and I am so pysched to go and see him after 30 years of fandom. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Keith Astbury" To: "ideal copy" ; "Stephen Graziano" Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 2:28 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wizzard brew > well done stephen - if i hadn't already got it, you'd have sold it to me ! i > did say it was a long time since i heard it (25 yrs ?) but i can't recall > anything to recommend about other than it's sheer eclecticism (so much i > seem to recall us all laughing at it's audaciousness) however, i'm glad that > someone else here rates mr wood - he made some of the best singles of the > late 60's/early 70's. > > as we're mentioning him, i just thought i'd tell you about the time i was in > a pub in oswestry (small market town for those not in the know) about ten > years ago, when this little bloke with long hair, a long beard that > descended into two points, and a pair of small round purple glasses walked > in. 'bloody hell' i thought - 'it's roy wood', cos even though i hadn't seen > or heard anything of him for some time (this was before his mid-90's > mini-revival) - and he was much smaller than you would think - it could only > have been an older version of that bloke in the warpaint from all those > years ago. anyway, he walked towards me on his way to the bar, and this girl > i knew introduced me to him. i was quite excited and told him i'd been a big > fan of his. now whether it was cos my sentence used the past tense or > whether he was just in a bad mood i don't know, but he never even replied. > he just walked off. 'you bastard' i thought. 'i bought 'fire brigade' when i > was seven - that was a lot of pocket money on one purchase !'. i mean, i > didn't expect him to sit and discuss the production values of 'brontosaurus' > or go into detail about why the 2nd wizzard album was a rocknroll pastiche, > but a simple hello would have been nice. anyway, it put me off for him a > short time, but ignorant gitt or not, i still think he was a great talent. > and i chose the past tense carefully this time ! > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Stephen Graziano > To: Keith Astbury ; > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 3:16 PM > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wizzard brew > > > > Hold on there a miniute babalouie!!! Wizzards Brew by the cracked genius > > Roy Wood is a marvelous, audacious album. No, it's not like See My Baby > > Jive - that's Roy's pop side - it's more like heavy late-period move, > mixed > > with genre excursions into 50's rock 'n roll and weird hornbased jazz > riffs > > in these fantatistic, bombastic Frankenstein monsters of songs. Just for > a > > single example - and if this dosen't want to make you, or any run out and > > buy it right now, well then there's no hope for you - "Jolly Cup of Tea" > > features a marching band - think the British Expeditionary Forces coming > > back from an engagement in Gunga Din starting off with a pubbish > singalong, > > goes into a triple drum solo, a whistling and glockenspiel section and > then > > out to the refrain, all in two minutes. My personal favorite is the album > > closer "Wear a Fast Gun" which starts off as an early ELOish ballad > > (wouldn't have sounded out of place on Boulders - which by the way is > > another brilliant Wood album that languished for centuries in the 99 cent > > bins), brings in the fauxBeatles barouque horns for counterpoint against > the > > vocal carries on that way for about 5 minutes, then goes to a > countermelody > > and codas out for 3 minutes with the gorgeoug largo melody on the lower > > strings against acoustic guitars. > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Keith Astbury" > > To: "ideal copy" > > Sent: Saturday, January 12, 2002 1:29 AM > > Subject: [idealcopy] wizzard brew > > > > > > > < > > < > vinyl > > > < > > < > < > > Creation book...Xmas prezzie) and a 6 song 12" EP from '73 by < > called > > > 'Brew'...but i'm totally skint after Xmas, so i hid them and > > > << hope i remember where they are at the end of the month...! > > > > > > ian - leave 'wizzard brew' where you found it. i kept seeing it for 50p > in > > my > > > local record shop when i was still in school and eventually couldn't > > resist > > > any longer. now admittedly it's been a long time since i played it, but > it > > was > > > really really terrible. if you're expecting an album full of 'see my > baby > > > jives' - and wouldn't that be great - think again !!! > > > keith > > > p.s. is 'skeleton records' worth a visit then. it's only half an hour up > > the > > > road. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:08:52 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] wizzard brew lord, oh lord, what HAVE i started here????? blimey... anyway, the only possible solution now is to buy the bloody thing and let Keith, Stephen and all other interested parties know what I make of it, innit?...sweet jesus... ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:12:47 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Voices ><<> I actually really like XTC. I remember liking their hit singles when I was a kid, and later in life I picked up on their later stuff through the Brian Wilson influence. I love Partridges vocals, especially on 'Rook' and the 'River of Orchids' (which is one of my favourite songs ever). I like the whole idea of someone writing really crafted songs in a Beach Boys/Baccarach/Scott Walker/Beatles style....but singing them in a west country accent. It works! Keith says: >are you including phil collins in this train of thought ? or maria (why sing >one note when you can sing five) carey ? give me time and i'll come back with >some more... Hear hear! The equivalent of the wanky guitar solo in modern pop music is that horrible wibbly-warbly "look how many notes I can add to a single line of song" style of singing beloved of Whitney Houston and the evil Carey. Its just showing off! F**king crap! The second worst sound is that "sexy" grunt that Britney does before she says 'Oh Baby Baby'....to me that is about as sexy as the cardigan fluff stuck to Clive Dunn's flagging scrotum. The third worst sound in pop is that pseudo-folky inflection that Dolores from the Crapberries and Alanis Morrisette are so fond of. "With ther gunssss and therrr tanks ther still fightaaaaayyynnn------aaaaaah" Keith then says: >ps can i be really contentious and include 'lewis' cos if he's singing on a >wire track then it means that colin's not... I like Grahams voice a lot (a touch of Scott Walker in there), but I do think Colin is more versatile....he can do soft spoken word....he can belt out a good melodic line, and he can holler and shout in a punky wayeeeee! I assume you are thinking of Manscape and The First Letter where I certainly would like to hear more of Colin. I think the best combination is to hear Colin and Graham together. I think my favorite vocals are Lewis/Newman, Andy Partridge, Carl and Brian Wilson, Paul McCartney, Scott Walker, Liz Frazer, Ian Curtis, and I anyone who does that really low-down growling reggae toasting....including Shaggy! And one final controversial point: Lennon had a dreadful, whiny nasal voice, esp. on later Beatles/Solo stuff! Am I the only person who thinks this? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 00:20:13 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Software DJ In a message dated 1/11/02 9:46:12 PM, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: >Can I recommend that anyone with a large collection of Mp3s gets a >wonderful piece of software called Mixmeister. It allows you to mix Mp3 >together like a DJ in that it does all the segues and fades and beat-mixes >the tracks if you want it to, and if you wish you can play two tracks at >the same time at the same speed (useful for Bruce Gilbert fans) > >It basically does what these so called 'Superstar DJ's', do...but it does >it with your choice of music in your own home..... and doesn't ask for >a 5 >figure fee. > >For extra fun, throw in some random Mp3s and mix them together for >Eno-esque oblique strategy DJ mixes. this sounds great! not too different from the project i proposed to the list some time ago, which by the way has gotten off the ground (currently the tracks are being mixed in cyberspace). seems like mixmeister would make it easy to really expand on the idea...instant gilberteno mixes...verrry nice. for anyone who wasn't around idealcopy at the time, the project that's currently being worked on by me and 3 other guys is one where we each recorded 1 minute and 54 seconds of our choice of audio, posted them to the web, and are now doing our own mixes of the 4 tracks. the first mixdown was done by simply playing the 4 individual tracks simultaneously. sounds pretty good already, not nearly as much like in esse as i expected! i'll keep y'all posted if anyone's interested. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 13 Jan 2002 03:06:16 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT-R.I.P. Esquivel thought there might be some folks here interested in reading the sad news. - -paul c.d. > >Space-Age Melody Maker Esquivel Dies > >By Jon Wiederhorn >01/09/2002 > >Juan Garcia Esquivel, the '60s lounge music composer who became a belated hero for a community of '90s post-angst alternative irony buffs, died at his home in Jiutepac, Morelos, Mexico on January 3. He was 83. > >The musician had been bedridden with a back injury for nearly 10 years. Three months ago he suffered a stroke that left him unable to speak and caused paralysis in one-half of his body. He had a second stroke on December 30 that led to his death. > >Esquivel was born on January 20, 1918 in Tampico, Tamaulipas, Mexico. In his youth he was a popular pianist and bandleader in his homeland, and was a regular attraction on Mexican radio and television. He studied briefly at the Juilliard School in New York and scored and starred in two Mexican movies, "Cabaret Tragico" and "Las Locuras del Rock 'n' Roll," and at age 29 was lured back to the U.S. by RCA Victor Records, which signed him to a recording career. > >At the time, record labels were only beginning to release stereo albums, and Esquivel fully explored the medium, integrating panning and sonic separation into his winsome melodies. > >Between 1957 and 1967 Esquivel wrote and released 11 studio albums of effervescent, easy-listening pop flecked with strange galactic sound effects, quirky noises and instrumentation that was exotic for the time (theremin, early Fender-Rhodes keyboards, Chinese bells and bass accordion). > >His most played composition, however, is "Universal Emblem," a three-second-long flurry of sound that has for decades accompanied the Universal Studios logo at the end of hundreds of television shows. > >In the '80s Esquivel returned to Mexico, where he worked on music for a children's TV show. > >In 1994, in response to a renewed underground interest in kitschy martini-pop, Bar/None Records issued the Esquivel compilation Space Age Bachelor Pad Music. Other collections followed, including Music From a Sparkling Planet (1995) and Merry Xmas From the Space-Age Bachelor Pad (1996). Esquivel's whimsical melodies were also featured in numerous films, including "The Big Lebowski," "Four Rooms" and "Beavis and Butt-Head Do America." > >"The Simpsons" creator Matt Groening has called Esquivel "the great unsung genius of space age pop." Although Esquivel enjoyed a career revival in the '90s, a broken hip and aggravated spinal injury left him bedridden and unable to walk. But while he was musically incapacitated, he retained his Austin Powers-like taste for indulgence. In May 2001, at the age of 82, he married his 25-year-old home health care worker, Carina Osario, his sixth wife. > >After his death he was cremated and his ashes were sent home to his wife. He is survived by his son Mario Eddi Garcia Servin. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #13 ******************************