From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #11 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, January 12 2002 Volume 05 : Number 011 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Whore [Ari Britt ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] todd ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] xtc ["Keith Astbury" ] [idealcopy] Fw: todd ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! ["Brian Young" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Unknown Pleasures/Great Lost LP's ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] xtc ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC ["Brian Young" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Magazine ["dan bailey" ] [idealcopy] Rundgren &c. ["Joseph S" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Magazine [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Rundgren &c. ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] Rundgren &c. ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Magazine [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] xtc ["Stephen Graziano" ] Fw: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC ["Stephen Graziano" ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] xtc [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] [idealcopy] maria and xtc ["Keith Astbury" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Unknown Pleasures/Great Lost LP's ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] Rundgren &c. ["ian.s. jackson" ] [idealcopy] Re: the last word on devoto? / mansun [Rain19c@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: the last word on devoto? / mansun [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Great Lost Albums [Tim ] [idealcopy] Software DJ [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Software DJ [Tim ] [idealcopy] wizzard brew ["Keith Astbury" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:43:55 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! > XTC are just great & with a songwriting team of Partridge/Moulding are IMHO in the same ring & at the same fighting weight & level on points with most of the Lennon /McCartney tunes. //// this is lennon and mccartney solo , right? :-) well i've said it before , but sorry they've never convinced me. their first couple of "quirky new wave" lp's are awful examples of people trying much much too hard to be "punky". thankfully they ditched that (and barry andrews , i suppose the 2 things were related) and started looking a bit more interesting in their days of hit singles. but comparing them with the likes of wire/magazine always amazes me , i just can't see them as being remotely in that league. but then that's just me i guess.p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 03:00:19 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Whore Anyone know if Whore is still available?Ari Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 07:26:40 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC Paul, >>well i've said it before , but sorry they've never convinced me. their first couple of "quirky new wave" lp's are awful examples of people trying much much too hard to be "punky". thankfully they ditched that (and barry andrews , i suppose the 2 things were related) and started looking a bit more interesting in their days of hit singles. but comparing them with the likes of wire/magazine always amazes me , i just can't see them as being remotely in that league. but then that's just me i guess.p >> Certainly XTC are nowhere near Wie or Magazine for me. But they really aren't operating in the same zone. Firstly both Wire and Howie D were propelled into music directly as a result of punk, whereas Partridge and Moulding had been in bands since the early '70s. Regardless of punk, they would have gone for careers in music. Whereas, with the possible exception of Colin Newman, without punk it is likely that the other main protagonists may have taken their creativity elsewhere. We might have been seeing a Gilbert retrospective at the Tate modern, reading Howard Trafford's booker prize-winning novel or wearing a couture jacket by Sven of Milan ;-) XTC are classic pop songwriters with a heavy Beatles fixation, (though Lennon & McCartney they are not...) rather than sonic experimentalists trying to create a New European Music. They piggybacked punk, which made them play faster, thus making them sound more quirky. I don't care much for the first 2 albums either, though the songs sound better on the peel sessions. After Andrews left they made Drums and Wires, the album which positioned them closest to Wire-land (especially on Complicated Game) which is probably why they get lumped in with Wire/Mag. Also the quirky elements of XTC were a big influence on Britopo, as were the quirkier elements of Wire (eg I am the Fly, 3 girl rhumba). Still, XTC have existed in some shape or form for almost 30 years, without compromise, and without losing their touch (though Mr Moulding's recent songs are very pipe 'n' slippers). There are not many other bands can you say that about. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:59:09 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] todd >Didn't Todd also produce Patti Smith and the NY Dolls? i think todd produced the dolls 2nd lp 'too much too young'. >todd rundgren produced skylarking for xtc. even though i hated when >rundgren got his hands in things a liked (psychedelic furs..what the hell are flo >& eddie doing on that album?!?, besides ruining the songs that is) i'm not a fan of todd, but don't be so harsh on him - i always thought there was something sort of interesting about him - didn't he once make an album where his voice provided all the instrumentation if that makes sense - and 'i saw the light' is a great pop 45. and what's the problem with putting flo and eddie on your records - their backing vocs on the early T.Rex stuff was great and i would have thought that the psychadelic furs would have needed something to spruce that sub-bowie nonsense up. sorry... keith ps dear doctor. i'm 41 and i still get the nme. what should i do ? (and don't say grow up!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:01:43 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] xtc >their first couple of "quirky new wave" lp's are awful examples of people trying >much much too hard to be "punky". yeah, but the early singles '3d ep' and 'staute of liberty' are great... keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:31:48 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] Fw: todd - ----- Original Message ----- From: Keith Astbury To: ideal copy Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 11:59 AM Subject: todd >Didn't Todd also produce Patti Smith and the NY Dolls? i think todd produced the dolls 2nd lp 'too much too young'. >todd rundgren produced skylarking for xtc. even though i hated when >rundgren got his hands in things a liked (psychedelic furs..what the hell are flo >& eddie doing on that album?!?, besides ruining the songs that is) i'm not a fan of todd, but don't be so harsh on him - i always thought there was something sort of interesting about him - didn't he once make an album where his voice provided all the instrumentation if that makes sense - and 'i saw the light' is a great pop 45. and what's the problem with putting flo and eddie on your records - their backing vocs on the early T.Rex stuff was great and i would have thought that the psychadelic furs would have needed something to spruce that sub-bowie nonsense up. sorry... keith ps dear doctor. i'm 41 and i still get the nme. what should i do ? (and don't say grow up!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 05:44:23 -0800 From: "Brian Young" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! > you're right , todd r produced "wave" by patti s , i think that's >the >only thing of his i own. couple of good tracks but basically a >real >disappointment after the previous 3. not sure about the dolls >though. He produced the Dolls first album. I have a brother who believes Todd is Godd, and although I don't share his opinion, I do think that his album "Something/Anything" is classic (and can be gotten cheap- $7.99 for 2 albums), and others say "A wizard/A true star" is as well. And, from ancient personal experience, "Initiation" is fun while on hallucinogens. I like his work with the group Utopia better than his solo stuff, FWIW. Cheers, Brian np. Laurie Anderson- Life on a String _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:12:07 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] todd << ps dear doctor. i'm 41 and i still get the nme. what should i do ? (and don't say grow up!) >> Snap! Can't bring myself to stop, even though it's 99% pants. Cancelling it after 25 years would be an admission of defeat ;-) Just say you're getting it for the gig guide! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:34:18 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: (idealcopy) OT Pere Ubu >The titles are The Fevered Dream of >Hernando DeSoto, Slow Walking Daddy, Michele, Steve, 333, Hell, The list on the Web site doesn't include "333". Where did you get your list from? Syarzhuk _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 10:57:07 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC >>>well i've said it before , but sorry they've never convinced me. their >first couple of "quirky new wave" lp's are awful examples of people trying >much much too hard to be "punky". thankfully they ditched that (and barry >andrews , i suppose the 2 things were related) and started looking a bit more >interesting in their days of hit singles. well, once more i appear to be out of step. go2 is the only album of theirs i ever listen to (albeit only every few years) ... i don't think i own one after black sea, though i've got the singles/b-sides comps. i'm sure there's nothing he can do about it, but mr partridge's voice may be the most annoying one in music (depending on whether perry farrell is retired or not at any given moment). dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:06:07 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Unknown Pleasures/Great Lost LP's >John wrote re: Unknown Pleasures: Great Lost Albums > >>For the anoraks and/or to facilitate discussion the >>other albums 'rediscovered' in it are: >>Neil Young, Time Fades Away; >>Captain Beefheart, Clear Spot; >>Chic, Risque; >>Specials, More Specials; >>Gene Clark, No Other; >>Todd Rundgren, A Wizard, A True Star; >>ABC, The Lexicon of Love; >>Abba, The Visitors; >>Go Betweens, Liberty Belle and the Black Diamond >>Express; >>Residents, Eskimo; >>Bow Wow Wow, See Jungle! See Jungle! Go Join Your Gang >>Yeah, City All Over! Go Ape Crazy!; >>Raincoats, s/t; >>Orange Juice, You Can't Hide Your Love Forever; >>Fleetwood Mac, Tusk; >>Soft Boys, Underwater Moonlight; >>Microdisney, 39 Minutes; >>Fatima Mansions, Lost in the Former West; >>Dexy's Midnight Runners, Don't Let Your Love Stand Me >>Down; >>Led Zeppelin, Presence; >>Curtis Mayfield, There's No Place Like America Today. >> >>I've only got three of these albums (not including >>Secondhand Daylight); Raincoats, Residents and >>Beefheart. > >ok, i'll go with this one just for the hell of it... >of the above, i own or have owned (apart from 'S.D.') >the Beefheart, Go-Betweens, Bow Wow Wow, and Orange Juice LP's. >curiously (for me), i think, of the others, i'd really like to have/hear >'More Specials' right now, if i had to choose only one... >oh,...ok...and the Gene Clark!! >i'm sure we could all add a few more to that list...couldn't we...? >ian.s.j. hmmm ... looks like my 2 posts from my e-mail website at work never showed up yesterday, as also happened about a month ago, though others have. anyway, of the above i own underwater moonlight, liberty belle, the raincoats & lost in the former west, & possibly the chic, abc & orange juice titles as well (my vinyl remains boxed up in a spare bedroom that's wall-to-wall with music). as for overlooked gems, i'd have to nominate alternative tv's strange kicks, which came out around '81 or so. wonderful pop record, with nothing whatsoever in common with the image has cracked, etc. found it for $1 or so at a department store in little rock around '87. dunno if it's ever be reissued on cd, but i doubt it. also, i've grown exceedingly fond of wall of voodoo's 4th (2nd post-Stan Ridgway) & final studio lp, happy planet. dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:15:50 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] xtc <> are you including phil collins in this train of thought ? or maria (why sing one note when you can sing five) carey ? give me time and i'll come back with some more... keith ps can i be really contentious and include 'lewis' cos if he's singing on a wire track then it means that colin's not... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:18:06 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] xtc luckily, i'm not sure i've even heard ms carey's storied ululations. phil collins i'd blocked out ... dan ><<> > >are you including phil collins in this train of thought ? or maria (why sing >one note when you can sing five) carey ? give me time and i'll come back with >some more... >keith >ps can i be really contentious and include 'lewis' cos if he's singing on a >wire track then it means that colin's not... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 09:24:06 -0800 From: "Brian Young" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC >well, once more i appear to be out of step. go2 is the only album of > >theirs i ever listen to (albeit only every few years) ... Dan, you think you are out of step. I think Partidge is a genius, have and love every note on every album and demo he's ever produced, and XTC is one of my Top 5 favorite groups of all-time. Now, on this list, THAT is out-of-step. And I think that the first two XTC albums influenced the great Bill Nelson to drop BeBop Deluxe and form Red Noise. So there. Best regards, Brian np. Ray Charles- What'd I Say _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:49:48 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Magazine >Robert wrote : >>as a matter of fact i marched up to >>my local used cd shop and purchased "Secondhand Daylight" by Magazine >for >>$4.99 !!! great stuff! > >now all you gotta do is get hold of 'Real Life' and 'The Correct Use Of >Soap'...all 3 different in mood, but all equally brilliant, honest. >you KNOW you can trust us...! ;) > >ian.s.j. which reminds me that the last time i was there, the vinyl shelves at my favorite used store in little rock contained all 3 in fine condition for maybe $3 each. i can only hope that whoever ditched them did so because the cd reissues were available ... which also reminds me of the time a couple of years ago when my old paper's entertainment editor reviewed the album "magazine" by the band jump little children as being the album "jump little children" by the band magazine ... probably a somewhat easy mistake to make if you don't know howard devoto from danny devito. a far more egregious sin than his reviewing heavenly's p.u.n.k. girl ep as being *by* p.u.n.k. girl ... i believe he gave the cd's serial number as the title. *sigh* no wonder i had to leave ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:50:26 -0500 (EST) From: "Joseph S" Subject: [idealcopy] Rundgren &c. One of the fine chaps on this list noted... > ///now todd rundgren produced "bat out of hell" didn't he? and i recall a > story where he was going to produce XTC but thought the lyrics were too > left wing so the band changed them. funnily enough i've never felt very > drawn towards him. or XTC or meatloaf for that matter. Rundgren has produced many fine albums (I quite like Forever Now, not to mention the Tubes' Remote Control and Skylarking which has gotten mention), but Bat Out Of Hell was Jim Steinman's gig. He also produced Vision Thing and a chunk of Floodland for Sisters of Mercy and that execrable Bonnie Tyler song that's had a couple incarnations. If I actually name it, it'll be stuck in the heads of all the IC'ers and I won't be forgiven in this life. Cheers, Bishop Joey __________________ you will find me at the banks of all four rivers you will find me at the spring of consciousness you will find me if you want me in the garden unless it's pouring down with rain (EN, The Garden) - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:54:57 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Magazine In a message dated 1/11/02 11:49:48 AM Central Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: dan wrote: << which reminds me that the last time i was there, the vinyl shelves at my favorite used store in little rock contained all 3 in fine condition for maybe $3 each. i can only hope that whoever ditched them did so because the cd reissues were available ... >> uhh...what are the re-issues like? do they have bonus tracks?... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:02:16 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rundgren &c. >Rundgren has produced many fine albums (I quite like Forever Now, not to >mention the Tubes' Remote Control and Skylarking which has gotten >mention), but Bat Out Of Hell was Jim Steinman's gig. He also produced >Vision Thing and a chunk of Floodland for Sisters of Mercy both of which i'm extremely fond of >and that >execrable Bonnie Tyler song that's had a couple incarnations. If I >actually name it, it'll be stuck in the heads of all the IC'ers and I >won't be forgiven in this life. probably nothing but a heartache or total eclipse of the heart ... just in case i wasn't going to hell before. dan > >Cheers, > >Bishop Joey > >__________________ >you will find me at the banks of all four rivers >you will find me at the spring of consciousness >you will find me if you want me in the garden >unless it's pouring down with rain (EN, The Garden) > >------------------------------------------------------------------------ ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:02:51 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC I think another level of connection is that Wire, Magazine, XTC were all "smart" songwriters/record makers. There is a distinct air of intellectual nonconformism in their works, say as opposed to political/sociological concerns of your Clash/Pistols types. In other words - they all had something that would appeal to the nerds of the world :> Whereas Difford and Tiblrook of Squeeze were "clever" songwriters (esp on Argybargy) in a sort of postPaulMcCartney sort of way, our guys were "smart". Elvis Costello probably straddled that boundary though he moved more from smart to clever in his career, i.e. the progression up until Beat the Clock. Sometimes it's hard to remember the context of the times, but that first XTC album was certainly regarded as quirkly, spikey, frenetic, angular, slightly neurotic, pop/new-wavish with a definate 60's flavour - definately offbeat from the rank and file punk scene of the day. I remember very much being impressed w/ the atmosphere of Drums and Wires - and it was always a treat when "Making Plans for Nigel" video came on in the clubs. Those guys were definately on a cutting edge. I am glad that they refined and expanded their talent rather than allowing themselves to fall into a catagorical pigeonhole. In 1977, we all wanted to burn down the world, but a love of good music allows one to lets the artist take you where they may rather than worry about stylistic definitions. - Steve. G - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 7:26 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC > Paul, > > >>well i've said it before , but sorry they've never convinced me. their > first couple of "quirky new wave" lp's are awful examples of people trying > much much too hard to be "punky". thankfully they ditched that (and barry > andrews , i suppose the 2 things were related) and started looking a bit more > interesting in their days of hit singles. but comparing them with the likes > of wire/magazine always amazes me , i just can't see them as being remotely > in that league. but then that's just me i guess.p >> > > Certainly XTC are nowhere near Wie or Magazine for me. But they really aren't > operating in the same zone. > > Firstly both Wire and Howie D were propelled into music directly as a result > of punk, whereas Partridge and Moulding had been in bands since the early > '70s. Regardless of punk, they would have gone for careers in music. Whereas, > with the possible exception of Colin Newman, without punk it is likely that > the other main protagonists may have taken their creativity elsewhere. We > might have been seeing a Gilbert retrospective at the Tate modern, reading > Howard Trafford's booker prize-winning novel or wearing a couture jacket by > Sven of Milan ;-) > > XTC are classic pop songwriters with a heavy Beatles fixation, (though Lennon > & McCartney they are not...) rather than sonic experimentalists trying to > create a New European Music. > > They piggybacked punk, which made them play faster, thus making them sound > more quirky. I don't care much for the first 2 albums either, though the > songs sound better on the peel sessions. After Andrews left they made Drums > and Wires, the album which positioned them closest to Wire-land (especially > on Complicated Game) which is probably why they get lumped in with Wire/Mag. > Also the quirky elements of XTC were a big influence on Britopo, as were the > quirkier elements of Wire (eg I am the Fly, 3 girl rhumba). > > Still, XTC have existed in some shape or form for almost 30 years, without > compromise, and without losing their touch (though Mr Moulding's recent songs > are very pipe 'n' slippers). There are not many other bands can you say that > about. > > Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:07:05 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rundgren &c. >>and that >>execrable Bonnie Tyler song that's had a couple incarnations. If I >>actually name it, it'll be stuck in the heads of all the IC'ers and I >>won't be forgiven in this life. > >probably nothing but a heartache or total eclipse of the heart ... just in >case i wasn't going to hell before. or did rod stewart sing those? or kim carnes? dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 13:07:54 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Magazine Robert, They're the same as the originals. Correct use of Soap used to be hard to get on CD though I think it's widely available now. My copy is a Japanese import, which has the various other A and B sides from the time tagged on the end. Of course you get all these in the box set. Which you will buy! Mark << uhh...what are the re-issues like? do they have bonus tracks?... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 12:18:37 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC >They piggybacked punk, which made them play faster, thus making them sound >more quirky. I don't care much for the first 2 albums either, though the >songs sound better on the peel sessions. note to self: check & see whether these have been released ... dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:35:54 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] xtc yes, but she was cute as a passle ' buttons on Ali McBeal, sitting there in the witness box with here spotlight and trillion watt smile. - - ----- Original Message ----- From: "dan bailey" To: "idealcopy" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 12:18 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] xtc > luckily, i'm not sure i've even heard ms carey's storied ululations. phil > collins i'd blocked out ... > > dan > > > >< ><> > > > >are you including phil collins in this train of thought ? or maria (why > sing > >one note when you can sing five) carey ? give me time and i'll come back > with > >some more... > >keith > >ps can i be really contentious and include 'lewis' cos if he's singing on a > >wire track then it means that colin's not... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 11:39:43 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Fw: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Stephen Graziano" To: "Brian Young" Sent: Friday, January 11, 2002 11:37 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Brian Young" > > And I think that the first two XTC albums influenced the great Bill Nelson > > to drop BeBop Deluxe and form Red Noise. > > > That might be true, but I for one miss BeBop. I thought Drastic Plastic was > a real highpoint, whereas the first Red Noise album had no memorable > melodies and no virtuosic Bill Nelson guitar playing. - sg ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 14:09:56 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC In a message dated 11/01/02 17:25:04 GMT Standard Time, raggedglory57@hotmail.com writes: > And I think that the first two XTC albums influenced the great Bill Nelson > to drop BeBop Deluxe and form Red Noise. ////////and my its a long time since i heard red noise mentioned or played anywhere. much preferred BBD to be honest.p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:12:14 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] xtc this thread has absolutely nothing to do with Wire or music (sorry Mariah)...but i personally think that Mariah Carey is ugly and always has been... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:13:35 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC In a message dated 11/01/2002 12:26:40 GMT Standard Time, Mark Bursa writes: > > Still, XTC have existed in some shape or form for almost 30 years, without > compromise, and without losing their touch (though Mr Moulding's recent > songs are very pipe 'n' slippers). There are not many other bands can you > say that about. > > Mark > I can't fault Mark & agree with most of what he says.I was being a touch controversial comparing them with Lennon & McCartney. To be fair though Partridge & Moulding write individually & as far as I know have not claimed joint credit for their songs. It would be interesting to see if XTC had been more commercially successful whether their songs would have taken on the whistle test factor.I rate XTC second only to Wire as a fave band in my teens & 20's but I have to again agree with Mark that I can't really see where there is a defined similarity. They were experimental in the GO! album (dub) & individually Partridge with his first solo album.But they were more than just a pop punky band. Their albums now, although with beautifully crafted songs (here is where I think they have attained a Beatles like standard -honestly!) & still fantastically catchy pop tunes, have mellowed somewhat.I think not touring because of Partridge's phobia doesn't help. So Paul get your the albums again & have a listen to the progression of XTC & see what you missed.If it doesn't happen at least you can say you tried. I will have a real first listen to Magazine.I just can't see how Wire & Magazine dovetail on this list.But somewhere I have a Wire/Magazine bootleg tape.It's very poor quality if I remember & a friend many years ago made a copy for me. Did they ever play on the same bill or am I just stating the obvious. BTW I picked up a cheap copy of the double 12" Drinking Gasoline by Caberet Voltaire yesterday & am going to play it tonight.Again I've not really listened to the Cabs & the list mails have prompted the purchase. Later Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:46:12 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC In a message dated 11/01/02 20:13:35 GMT Standard Time, CHRIS WIRE writes: > I will have a real first listen to Magazine.I just can't see how Wire & > Magazine dovetail on this list.But somewhere I have a Wire/Magazine bootleg > tape.It's very poor quality if I remember & a friend many years ago made a > copy for me. > Did they ever play on the same bill or am I just stating the obvious. > //////// i'd recommend magazine 100% , i guess its just the "feel" of it but to me they're the band you'd most obviously group wire with. don't think they ever played together but there's a superb vinyl bootleg lp called "dominoe" with one side wire live , one side magazine peel/live ; maybe that was what your tape was of? i recall somebody here saying there was once a wire/xtc co-headline tour. can anyone tell us when that was? must've been fun :-) p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 15:47:18 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC In a message dated 11/01/2002 20:46:12 GMT Standard Time, PaulRabjohn writes: > but there's a superb vinyl bootleg lp called "dominoe" with one side wire > live , one side magazine peel/live ; maybe that was what your tape was of? > Yes that's it Paul. Cheers Chris ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:55:25 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] maria and xtc <> sorry. i think i'm a bad influence. i havn't bought an XTC LP for a while but i heard 'stupidly happy' off their last one and was pretty impressed. call me old fashioned, but that's what a pop record should sound like. and though utimately they're not one of my all time fave bands, i reckon 'making plans for nigel' is still one of the best singles of it's time. there's a major steelworks in our area (or there was - it's not what it used to be) and it always made me picture someone wanting their 'nigel' to work there. ah local interest appeal then... keith ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 20:56:16 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Unknown Pleasures/Great Lost LP's >also, i've grown exceedingly fond of wall of voodoo's 4th (2nd post->Stan >Ridgway) & final studio lp, happy planet. > >dan weird, just a few hours ago i was having my regular Friday afternoon visit to Skeleton Records of Birkenhead, Wirral. i think i saw 3 or 4 s/h vinyl copies of 'Happy Planet'... almost bought a used 'Copper Blue' by Sugar (i'm reading the Dave Cavanagh Creation book...Xmas prezzie) and a 6 song 12" EP from '73 by Wizzard called 'Brew'...but i'm totally skint after Xmas, so i hid them and hope i remember where they are at the end of the month...! one of my great lost LP's would certainly be the Cabs' '2 x 45'. i shouldn't be struggling for more here, but i'm trying to balance the 'completely obscure' from the 'relatively well-known but still light years away from most mainstream music fans' aspects... more later...probably... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 21:02:39 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Rundgren &c. >or did rod stewart sing those? or kim carnes? > >dan dan, dan, dan, dan, dan... ok, eternal damnation is granted... now STOP please!!!!!! ^_^ ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:41:17 EST From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: the last word on devoto? / mansun >the last thing i heard of devoto doing prior to this shelley >collaboration was co-writing a track with paul draper on one of the mansun >singles (imagine that - you're a bif devoto fan, you name drop him a few times >and you end up writing a song with him - now that's what i call success...) >mansun also covered a previously unreleased magazine track called - if i >remember rightly - 'railings'. yes, this is right. "railings" is on the "being a girl" single and its a rather fantastic epic style song...paul and howard both sing on it, and i have to say its better then the demo version i have with just devoto singing... howard also co-wrote "everyone must win" with draper on the "closed for business" single, another excellent song, although a bit poppier. mansun also covered "shot by both sides" on their last peel session... mansun's "six" is still is one of my fav records of all time, a epic mix of prog/punk/electronica/cut 'n' paste rock that *might* appeal to some ideal copiers... ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:43:51 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) XTC Famously printed in an NME ad as 'Bill Nelson's Red Nose', of course. Saw BN solo in 1981 - quite good actually, though he let it down by being supported by A Flock of Seagulls. This is in the Cedar Club in Birmingham where a couple of weeks earlier (or later, can't remember) I saw Robert Fripp's League of Gentlemen. Supported by....AFOS. Guitar virtuosos hiring the same duff support? Could it have been to make them look good?? Got my AFOS hat trick a few days later when the supported the Psychedelic Furs, though thank god that was at a different venue. Otherwise I'd still be having Groundhog Day-style paranoid attacks that I'll wake up in the Cedar Club in 1981, just in time for the support...... Mark (apologies to AFOS fans-on-the-list. I feel your pain.) << > And I think that the first two XTC albums influenced the great Bill Nelson > to drop BeBop Deluxe and form Red Noise. ////////and my its a long time since i heard red noise mentioned or played anywhere. much preferred BBD to be honest.p >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 17:59:56 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: the last word on devoto? / mansun << yes, this is right. "railings" is on the "being a girl" single and its a rather fantastic epic style song...paul and howard both sing on it, and i have to say its better then the demo version i have with just devoto singing...<< Must admit I prefer the Devoto version (which you can download either from the Mansun site or from shotbybothsides.com, the Magazine site. >> howard also co-wrote "everyone must win" with draper on the "closed for business" single, another excellent song, although a bit poppier. mansun also covered "shot by both sides" on their last peel session...<< Bit obvious...wonder why didn't they do something more challenging! >>mansun's "six" is still is one of my fav records of all time, a epic mix of prog/punk/electronica/cut 'n' paste rock that *might* appeal to some ideal copiers... >> An excellent album, if it does go on a bit. Almost all the noises are guitars through tons of old '80s effect pedals - there are hardly any keyboards or samples on it. Certainly one of the few Britpop bands that seem prepared to try different things, even though they don't always come off (eg the last album) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 01:30:56 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Great Lost Albums John Roberts wrote: At 04:30 11/01/02 -0500, you wrote: >Yes, undoubtedly Secondhand Daylight is a chronically >underrated classic. The only place I've seen this >redressed, other than on this list, is in a paperback >called Unknown Pleasures: Great Lost Albums >Rediscovered that came with the Melody Maker in 1995 >(not that I bought the rag - I picked the book up in a >charity shop (thrift store) - haven't bought a music >paper since 1993). That was quite a good book. I bought Dexys 'Don't Stand Me Down' and the Rungren one on the strength of it. I'm still waiting for the right moment for the Dexys one. I've played it a few times and I don't understand it...but I think I might one day. I quite like 'A Wizard a True Star' up until the moment where he starts doing that soul medley and it goes into cheese overload. I do like the way he overloads the drum tracks to get that distorted sound. I think Flaming Lips nicked that for 'The Soft Bulletin' I don't own any other Todd records. There is something about him that worries me....I get a sort of 'Doctor Who Fan Convention' vibe from him. Am I missing the point? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 02:02:56 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Software DJ Can I recommend that anyone with a large collection of Mp3s gets a wonderful piece of software called Mixmeister. It allows you to mix Mp3 together like a DJ in that it does all the segues and fades and beat-mixes the tracks if you want it to, and if you wish you can play two tracks at the same time at the same speed (useful for Bruce Gilbert fans) It basically does what these so called 'Superstar DJ's', do...but it does it with your choice of music in your own home..... and doesn't ask for a 5 figure fee. For extra fun, throw in some random Mp3s and mix them together for Eno-esque oblique strategy DJ mixes. Its just done an utterly inspired mix of 'In a Beautiful Place' by Boards of Canada into 'Automatic' by The Pointer Sisters! I'm now listening to an wonderfully bad 80s track called Lean on Me (Ah-Li-Ayo) by Red Box mixed rather splendidly into Reklam Reclaim off last Hox LP, and looking at the chart on my screen it seems that after this my PC has decided to mix 'Stray Cats Strut' with 'Its Grim up North' by the KLF. I can hardly wait! This is just the best fun you can have with a pile of CDs and a PC! I understand scientists are trying to develop a more advanced version of this which will actually 'DJ' in a live situation and select appopriate tunes and even write its own tracks in response to audience reaction. Apparently they tested a prototype in a London nightclub and no-one noticed. I don't know whether that says more about the current club/DJ scene than it does about the software! __________________________________ New Electro-Upstarts! Jam on the Mutha! http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 03:10:46 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Software DJ At 18:59 11/01/02 -0800, you wrote: >Tim, >This sounds like a lot of fun. Where did you get this >program? > >Thanks, >Billy Creative Labs bundle it with there Audigy soundcards, which is how I got mine. More info here: http://www.mixmeister.com/ ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 12 Jan 2002 06:29:16 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] wizzard brew <