From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #10 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, January 11 2002 Volume 05 : Number 010 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] B Gilbert 3cd set question [ysh ] [idealcopy] Wire @ RFH [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re:The Wire rant [Howard Spencer ] Re: [idealcopy] Re:The Wire rant [John Roberts ] [idealcopy] OT - Unknown Pleasures/Great Lost LP's ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Go-Betweens ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! [Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] B Gilbert 3cd set question The Japanese label, Alfa Records, is no longer in operation. They ran out of business before they got around to a similar "complete" He Said compilation, announced in a booklet inside the Gilbert 3CD set... too bad, since I liked a lot of He Said 12" versions which I would have really liked to obtain on CD. Thus, the only choice would be to find a copy used... - -yoshi >Date: Tue, 8 Jan 2002 22:25:41 EST >From: Rain19c@aol.com >Subject: [idealcopy] B Gilbert 3cd set question > >I was wondering if there was a place online where you could order the Bruce >Gilbert 3cd set with the complete "This Way" and "Shivering Man" albums along >with "Insiding". I remember someone here saying they had purchased it >recently. >Thanks for any help. >~michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 05:08:02 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Wire @ RFH "does anybody know where i could get a cd-r or a tape of this? http://www.posteverything.com/artists/release.php?id=1069 " What, you mean the stuff that was left off, or the actual IAITB disc? If it's the latter then buy a copy. C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.org News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:10:31 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! In a message dated 1/10/02 3:06:21 AM Central Standard Time, CHRIS WIRE writes: << So am I Ian & proud of it. In fact most of the music I go out & buy has been discussed on this list.What a recommendation.I'm sure Robert for one would agree ? CHEERS CHRIS >> You are correct! I have indeed benefitted from this list, and i have expressed my thanks several times....i have discovered some really great music thanks to all the Ideal Copyists....as a matter of fact i marched up to my local used cd shop and purchased "Secondhand Daylight" by Magazine for $4.99 !!! great stuff! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:24:51 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! Robert, << as a matter of fact i marched up to my local used cd shop and purchased "Secondhand Daylight" by Magazine for $4.99 !!! great stuff! >> I like it when listers do as they're told!! $4.99 well spent - now go and get the other two :-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 10:52:05 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! In a message dated 1/10/02 9:26:03 AM Central Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: << << as a matter of fact i marched up to my local used cd shop and purchased "Secondhand Daylight" by Magazine for $4.99 !!! great stuff! >> I like it when listers do as they're told!! $4.99 well spent - now go and get the other two :-) Mark >> yes sir! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:59:13 +0000 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re:The Wire rant hee hee nice one, Tim! Have you sent this to the Wire yet? This really strikes a chord and they ought to be told - for their own good. I've not heard any of the CD yet but will certainly be listening tonight - - and I'll be keeping a box of tissues handy in case I actually like any of the stuff too much, haha. Sent your posting to my mate Dom who commented: > There is a very worrying trend developing at the moment - kind of prog rock > but under a different name (prob serious music). I listened to some of the > festive 50 this year and there was a 20min (yes 20min) track from Mogwai > voted in a number 10 - something must be done! What is that to be then, gang? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:11:40 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:The Wire rant Kill the hippies? With apologies to all the King Crimson fans on the list 8-) John > What is that to be then, gang? > > Howard Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 08:12:46 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! We may as well make this the Wire *and* Magazine list! Is there anyone on here who doesn't like Magazine? Or who dares to admit to it? Yes, undoubtedly Secondhand Daylight is a chronically underrated classic. The only place I've seen this redressed, other than on this list, is in a paperback called Unknown Pleasures: Great Lost Albums Rediscovered that came with the Melody Maker in 1995 (not that I bought the rag - I picked the book up in a charity shop (thrift store) - haven't bought a music paper since 1993). For the anoraks and/or to facilitate discussion the other albums 'rediscovered' in it are: Neil Young, Time Fades Away; Captain Beefheart, Clear Spot; Chic, Risque; Specials, More Specials; Gene Clark, No Other; Todd Rundgren, A Wizard, A True Star; ABC, The Lexicon of Love; Abba, The Visitors; Go Betweens, Liberty Belle and the Black Diamond Express; Residents, Eskimo; Bow Wow Wow, See Jungle! See Jungle! Go Join Your Gang Yeah, City All Over! Go Ape Crazy!; Raincoats, s/t; Orange Juice, You Can't Hide Your Love Forever; Fleetwood Mac, Tusk; Soft Boys, Underwater Moonlight; Microdisney, 39 Minutes; Fatima Mansions, Lost in the Former West; Dexy's Midnight Runners, Don't Let Your Love Stand Me Down; Led Zeppelin, Presence; Curtis Mayfield, There's No Place Like America Today. Now that's what I call an eclectic collection... and no Wire!!! I've only got three of these albums (not including Secondhand Daylight); Raincoats, Residents and Beefheart. Cheers John Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:24:41 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! A great little book, found myself agreeing with a lot of it. Certainly two purchases were made as a direct result of it (Gene Clark and Todd Rundgren) - the Gene Clark record lives up to its title... They even picked the right Go-betweens album, which few 'best of' lists do... I'd have gone for On the beach as the 'lost classic' Neil Young album though.... Mark << Neil Young, Time Fades Away; Captain Beefheart, Clear Spot; Chic, Risque; Specials, More Specials; Gene Clark, No Other; Todd Rundgren, A Wizard, A True Star; ABC, The Lexicon of Love; Abba, The Visitors; Go Betweens, Liberty Belle and the Black Diamond Express; Residents, Eskimo; Bow Wow Wow, See Jungle! See Jungle! Go Join Your Gang Yeah, City All Over! Go Ape Crazy!; Raincoats, s/t; Orange Juice, You Can't Hide Your Love Forever; Fleetwood Mac, Tusk; Soft Boys, Underwater Moonlight; Microdisney, 39 Minutes; Fatima Mansions, Lost in the Former West; Dexy's Midnight Runners, Don't Let Your Love Stand Me Down; Led Zeppelin, Presence; Curtis Mayfield, There's No Place Like America Today. Now that's what I call an eclectic collection... and no Wire!!! I've only got three of these albums (not including Secondhand Daylight); Raincoats, Residents and Beefheart. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 11:27:07 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! In a message dated 1/10/02 10:24:41 AM Central Standard Time, Mark Bursa writes: << Todd Rundgren, A Wizard, A True Star; >> ever since i read somewhere that Colin Newman liked Todd Rundgren's music, i have been trying to find the couple of lps i own....anyone have a top 3 or 5 Rundgren albums to check out? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 12:50:53 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] B Gilbert 3cd set question In a message dated Thu, 10 Jan 2002 6:02:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, ysh writes: > The Japanese label, Alfa Records, is no longer in operation. They ran out > of business before they got around to a similar "complete" He Said > compilation, announced in a booklet inside the Gilbert 3CD set... too bad, > since I liked a lot of He Said 12" versions which I would have really liked > to obtain on CD. > > Thus, the only choice would be to find a copy used... > > -yoshi > ///mmmm , i'd love one of those 3cd sets. a couple have gone on ebay for 50/60 dollars or so. that's the only way to get "complete" versions of the first 2 bruce albums i think. p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 13:10:59 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] B Gilbert 3cd set question In a message dated 1/10/02 11:53:09 AM Central Standard Time, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: << //mmmm , i'd love one of those 3cd sets. a couple have gone on ebay for 50/60 dollars or so. that's the only way to get "complete" versions of the first 2 bruce albums i think. p >> i will gladly make you cd-rs of the cds as soon as i get my burner within the next few weeks Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:48:15 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Magazine Robert wrote : >as a matter of fact i marched up to >my local used cd shop and purchased "Secondhand Daylight" by Magazine >for >$4.99 !!! great stuff! now all you gotta do is get hold of 'Real Life' and 'The Correct Use Of Soap'...all 3 different in mood, but all equally brilliant, honest. you KNOW you can trust us...! ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:00:17 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Unknown Pleasures/Great Lost LP's John wrote re: Unknown Pleasures: Great Lost Albums >For the anoraks and/or to facilitate discussion the >other albums 'rediscovered' in it are: >Neil Young, Time Fades Away; >Captain Beefheart, Clear Spot; >Chic, Risque; >Specials, More Specials; >Gene Clark, No Other; >Todd Rundgren, A Wizard, A True Star; >ABC, The Lexicon of Love; >Abba, The Visitors; >Go Betweens, Liberty Belle and the Black Diamond >Express; >Residents, Eskimo; >Bow Wow Wow, See Jungle! See Jungle! Go Join Your Gang >Yeah, City All Over! Go Ape Crazy!; >Raincoats, s/t; >Orange Juice, You Can't Hide Your Love Forever; >Fleetwood Mac, Tusk; >Soft Boys, Underwater Moonlight; >Microdisney, 39 Minutes; >Fatima Mansions, Lost in the Former West; >Dexy's Midnight Runners, Don't Let Your Love Stand Me >Down; >Led Zeppelin, Presence; >Curtis Mayfield, There's No Place Like America Today. > >I've only got three of these albums (not including >Secondhand Daylight); Raincoats, Residents and >Beefheart. ok, i'll go with this one just for the hell of it... of the above, i own or have owned (apart from 'S.D.') the Beefheart, Go-Betweens, Bow Wow Wow, and Orange Juice LP's. curiously (for me), i think, of the others, i'd really like to have/hear 'More Specials' right now, if i had to choose only one... oh,...ok...and the Gene Clark!! i'm sure we could all add a few more to that list...couldn't we...? ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Join the worlds largest e-mail service with MSN Hotmail. http://www.hotmail.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:09:04 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Go-Betweens Mark wrote : >They even picked the right Go-betweens album, which few 'best of' >lists >do... hhmmm, as a lover of the G-B's first 4 LP's, i gotta say i'd go for 'Before Hollywood', great though 'Liberty Belle...' is. but then, 'B.H.' was the first one i heard (it blew me away on first listen) and was subsequently the soundtrack to some very hazy, fun-filled nights...;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:16:30 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Go-Betweens i wrote : >but then, 'B.H.' was the first one i heard (it blew me away on first >listen) and was subsequently the soundtrack to some very hazy, fun->filled >nights...;) come to think of it...so was 'Liberty Belle'...!!!!! oh, to be young and up for it again... :-( ...... ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 20:25:56 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:The Wire rant >What is that to be then, gang? > >Howard i suggest the return of the sub-3 minute, finger-in-yer-eye approach. i think a re-pressing of '12 Times U' might be appropriate... (hey some ON TOPIC crap there....uh...)...!!!!! i have to say that this has already been suggested by John Peel's Tank Engine mate from Swindon, but so what, he's right. can i recommend The Hives' 'Your New Favourite Band' as an o.k. place to start????....(reaches, tentatively, for asbestos mac...) (with apologies to non-Peel listening/non-UK people...) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:59:20 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! In a message dated 10/01/02 16:28:52 GMT Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > ever since i read somewhere that Colin Newman liked Todd Rundgren's music, i > have been trying to find the couple of lps i own....anyone have a top 3 or > 5 > Rundgren albums to check out? > > ///now todd rundgren produced "bat out of hell" didn't he? and i recall a > story where he was going to produce XTC but thought the lyrics were too > left wing so the band changed them. funnily enough i've never felt very > drawn towards him. or XTC or meatloaf for that matter. p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:23:56 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: [idealcopy] Janitors (The) I know this is a long shot,but does anyone have a copy of the Janitors L.P (released mid 80"s)that they can burn to c.d,or copy to (yes) cassette?Ari Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 14:31:37 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! >For the anoraks and/or to facilitate discussion the >other albums 'rediscovered' in it are: >Neil Young, Time Fades Away; This has never been released on CD. Neil's waiting for higher bitrate audio, or a harmonic convergence, or something. (^_^) I've made a very clean digital copy of my vinyl. If anyone's interested in hearing it, contact me off list. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 22:48:43 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: [idealcopy] (idealcopy) OT Pere Ubu Speaking of bands who refuse to perform as cabaret, this just in from Ubu "PERE UBU The new Pere Ubu album, ST ARKANSAS, is finished. Release date has to be set. The band is David Thomas, Tom Herman, Jim Jones, Robert Wheeler, Michele Temple & Steve Mehlman. The titles are The Fevered Dream of Hernando DeSoto, Slow Walking Daddy, Michele, Steve, 333, Hell, Lisbon, Phone Home Jonah, Where's the truth and Dark. John Thompson is working on the art now. It was recorded at Suma. Paul Hamann engineered and David Thomas produced. WEST END BOYS David Thomas and two pale boys will take over from The Tiger Lillies for a 3 month run of Shockheaded Peter in the West End of London at The Albery Theatre, St Martins Lane, WC2. The premiere is April 4." Having seen Shockheaded Peter in Liverpool a couple of years ago, the prospect of DT&TPB taking on the music is intriguing. If you get the chance, go see. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 15:43:51 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! >> ///now todd rundgren produced "bat out of hell" didn't he? and i recall a >> story where he was going to produce XTC but thought the lyrics were too >> left wing so the band changed them. Hmm. That's not in any of the XTC biographies I've read. From what I'd heard, Todd listened to the demos for Skylarking, and picked the songs he felt made a "cycle". The lyrics are unchanged from the demos. In fact, Todd had included Dear God in his track selection, and it was Andy who pulled it out and added Another Satellite in the original Skylarking release. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:45:00 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! Neither has On the beach. They're both hard to find now. I think I paid #1 for On the Beach! Mark << This has never been released on CD. Neil's waiting for higher bitrate audio, or a harmonic convergence, or something. (^_^) >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:53:28 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! From what I can gather Todd and XTC didn't see eye-to-eye, but they were all ultimately happy with the results. I think whoever brokered the deal had hoped for some form of classic songwriting meltdown but it didn't happen. Skylarking is a pretty good album too. Mark << >> ///now todd rundgren produced "bat out of hell" didn't he? and i recall a >> story where he was going to produce XTC but thought the lyrics were too >> left wing so the band changed them. Hmm. That's not in any of the XTC biographies I've read. From what I'd heard, Todd listened to the demos for Skylarking, and picked the songs he felt made a "cycle". The lyrics are unchanged from the demos. In fact, Todd had included Dear God in his track selection, and it was Andy who pulled it out and added Another Satellite in the original Skylarking release. >> ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:55:34 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! And of course, Todd also produced the Dukes of Stratosphear. - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pietromonaco" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 6:43 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! > >> ///now todd rundgren produced "bat out of hell" didn't he? and i > recall a > >> story where he was going to produce XTC but thought the lyrics were > too > >> left wing so the band changed them. > > Hmm. That's not in any of the XTC biographies I've read. From what > I'd heard, Todd listened to the demos for Skylarking, and picked the > songs he felt made a "cycle". The lyrics are unchanged from the demos. > In fact, Todd had included Dear God in his track selection, and it was > Andy who pulled it out and added Another Satellite in the original > Skylarking release. > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:51:38 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] the last word on devoto ? good lord. i think everybody had a lot of time on their hands today. i read my e-mails in the day before i went out, thought about what i was gonna write about and i come home to find loads more ! anyway, can i just say i agree that '2nd hand daylight' is up there with the likes of 'unknown pleasures' and '154' - esp. 'permafrost' (now that's what I call a guitar solo - not some extended fretw*nk!). my fave magazine track though is off 'real life' - 'the light pours out of me' with its 'rock & roll pt 2' riff and glitterstomp. it's definitely one of my all time faves. incidentally, the last thing i heard of devoto doing prior to this shelley collaboration was co-writing a track with paul draper on one of the mansun singles (imagine that - you're a bif devoto fan, you name drop him a few times and you end up writing a song with him - now that's what i call success...) mansun also covered a previously unreleased magazine track called - if i remember rightly - 'railings'. anyway, i stand by the 1st luxuria lp - esp. the 'luxuria' track itself (anybody else like the 'wilderness mix' on the 'public highway' 12" ? - it's fab. in fast i reckon it's on a par with 90% of his magazine stuff). now that we've done devoto can we move onto another giant from the punk/ new wave era - jimmy pursey ? (it's ok i'm only joking...) keith ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:12:36 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! In a message dated 10/01/2002 20:59:20 GMT Standard Time, PaulRabjohn writes: > > >> ///now Todd Rundgren produced "bat out of hell" didn't he? and i recall a >> story where he was going to produce XTC but thought the lyrics were too >> left wing so the band changed them. funnily enough i've never felt very >> drawn towards him. or XTC or meatloaf for that matter. p > Paul hesitatingly I have to advise you (you probably know anyway) he produced the XTC album "Mummer" which I adore. XTC are just great & with a songwriting team of Partridge/Moulding are IMHO in the same ring & at the same fighting weight & level on points with most of the Lennon /McCartney tunes. The Beatles of Swindon is a slur on the boys ! I saw Todd Rundgren with Utopia live in 1975, in London,when he smashed a "Sugar Glass" guitar on stage.He was very ugly then but a hellava showman.He produced Steve Hillages's early stuff as well if I remember & he (after Gong) - -another great band from my teens- went on to System 7. On topic- I just bought the AC Marias Cd One Of Our Girls & I LOVE IT !!!! Playing it to death as I speak. BTW I will keep you in suspense until a later e-mail as my main present this Christmas from my wife.I hasten to add her "small " pressies were -wait for it- (Delia Smiths's How to Cook Book 3) for non British I'Cer's please excuse & Gilbert Hampson Kendall /ORR. How weird is that? Just played.12/11/99 Ocsid - Opening Sweep. ( Thanks Kevin) Chriswire ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:19:06 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! >And of course, Todd also produced the Dukes of Stratosphear. > No, that was John Leckie (i.e. Swami Anand Nagara) for both releases. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 19:20:24 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! Oh God ! When I said "Mummer" I meant "Skylarking" --sorry ! The former was produced by Steve Nye. I'll get me coat. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:33:40 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [OT] Oh no - Neil Young! (was Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!!) ><< This has never been released on CD. Neil's waiting for higher bitrate > audio, or a harmonic convergence, or something. (^_^) >> > >Neither has On the beach. They're both hard to find now. I think I paid #1 >for On the Beach! The complete list is known as the "Missing Six": Journey Through The Past 1972, Time Fades away 1973, On The Beach 1974, American Stars & Bars 1976, Hawks & Doves 1980, and RE-ACT-OR 1981 No one quite knows why Neil won't release them. The best explanation I've seen is here (along with a scan of the test pressing for Time Fades Away): http://home.earthlink.net/~sidestreet/sidesite89.html Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:38:27 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! >Paul > hesitatingly I have to advise you (you probably know anyway) he >[Todd Rundgren, I'm assuming - Paul] produced the XTC album >"Mummer" which I adore. Nope - Mummer: Recorded at The Manor, Oxfordshire, England, and Genetic Studios, winter 1982. Mixed at AIR Studios, London, England, January 1983. Produced and mixed by Steve Nye/XTC. * Re-mixed by Alex Sadkin and Phil Thornalley / XTC at RAK Studios, London. + Recorded and mixed at Odyssey Studios, London. Produced by Bob Sargeant. Engineered by Mark Dearnley. Assistant engineers, tape-jockeys, tea makers, gophers, etc., Jim Russell, Howard Gray, Gavin Greenaway, Marcellus Frank, Mike Nocito. Originally released on 30 August 1983 in the U.K. Reached No. 51 on the U.K. album chart. Todd only did Skylarking, folks. They argued so much that they never worked together again. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 16:39:32 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! >Oh God ! > When I said "Mummer" I meant "Skylarking" --sorry ! The former was produced >by Steve Nye. > I'll get me coat. > Chris Ooops !!! Send out a reply before you sent this one. I'll get your coat for you! Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:12:48 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! Didn't Todd also produce Patti Smith and the NY Dolls? - ----- Original Message ----- From: To: ; ; ; ; ; Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 7:12 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! > In a message dated 10/01/2002 20:59:20 GMT Standard Time, PaulRabjohn writes: > > > > > > >> ///now Todd Rundgren produced "bat out of hell" didn't he? and i recall a > >> story where he was going to produce XTC but thought the lyrics were too > >> left wing so the band changed them. funnily enough i've never felt very > >> drawn towards him. or XTC or meatloaf for that matter. p > > > > Paul > hesitatingly I have to advise you (you probably know anyway) he produced the > XTC album "Mummer" which I adore. > XTC are just great & with a songwriting team of Partridge/Moulding are IMHO > in the same ring & at the same fighting weight & level on points with most of > the Lennon /McCartney tunes. > The Beatles of Swindon is a slur on the boys ! > I saw Todd Rundgren with Utopia live in 1975, in London,when he smashed a > "Sugar Glass" guitar on stage.He was very ugly then but a hellava showman.He > produced Steve Hillages's early stuff as well if I remember & he (after Gong) > -another great band from my teens- went on to System 7. > On topic- I just bought the AC Marias Cd One Of Our Girls & I LOVE IT !!!! > Playing it to death as I speak. > BTW I will keep you in suspense until a later e-mail as my main present this > Christmas from my wife.I hasten to add her "small " pressies were -wait for > it- (Delia Smiths's How to Cook Book 3) for non British I'Cer's please excuse > & Gilbert Hampson Kendall /ORR. > How weird is that? > Just played.12/11/99 Ocsid - Opening Sweep. ( Thanks Kevin) > Chriswire ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 18:13:38 -0500 From: "Stephen Graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! yeah, but if you look at the pic of "Swami", sure looks like Todd to me - ----- Original Message ----- From: "Paul Pietromonaco" To: Sent: Thursday, January 10, 2002 7:19 PM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! > >And of course, Todd also produced the Dukes of Stratosphear. > > > > No, that was John Leckie (i.e. Swami Anand Nagara) for both releases. > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 23:38:46 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: rundgren and topten In a message dated 1/10/02 4:00:57 PM, PaulRabjohn@aol.com writes: >i recall a >> story where he was going to produce XTC but thought the lyrics were too >> left wing so the band changed them. funnily enough i've never felt very >> drawn towards him. or XTC or meatloaf for that matter. p todd rundgren produced skylarking for xtc. even though i hated when rundgren got his hands in things a liked (psychedelic furs..what the hell are flo & eddie doing on that album?!?, besides ruining the songs that is), i think he did a good job with skylarking. xtc did lose a lot of their youthful sound with the release of that album though, and i could easily blame todd for that :o) thinking about it now, i'd bet that skylarking, patti smith-wave, and the psych furs-forever now would all be better albums produced by someone else...well, i dunno, wave is pretty darn good as is. - -paul c.d. p.s. here's another vote for go-betweens - liberty belle... also from that list, i bought fleetwood mac - tusk on vinyl for 25 cents about 5 years ago. i must admit there's something about them that always interested me (never enough for me to buy anything by them, but i wouldn't turn them off on the radio)...maybe it was lindsay buckingham. i think he played very tastefully (which scores lots of points in my book) and the idea of getting a marching band to play your tune is something i've desired since before tusk even came out. of course my tune would probably sound more like a cadillac fleetwood hitting a mack truck for 20 minutes ;o) p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 11 Jan 2002 04:16:26 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! you're right , todd r produced "wave" by patti s , i think that's the only thing of his i own. couple of good tracks but basically a real disappointment after the previous 3. not sure about the dolls though. p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #10 ******************************