From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #9 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, January 10 2002 Volume 05 : Number 009 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Wireviews reviews [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] Florian Fricke [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Wire @ RFH ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] [idealcopy] OT - Buzzcocks/Magazine...Nostalgia ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] mags to read ["Mark" ] Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! [CHRISWIRE@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 02:25:58 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Wireviews reviews "Keith - you may want to contact wireviews and submit your review for the site. I'm sure it would be greatly appreciated!" It certainly would, and the same goes for any other submissions, either of reviews for stuff that's not yet covered, or other Wire-based articles. A 'MZUI' review would be nice... :) C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.org News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 09:46:39 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Florian Fricke In a message dated 1/9/02 2:30:31 AM Central Standard Time, wmouk@yahoo.com writes: > The sad news of Florian Fricke' death has just been > received. As a founder member of German band Popol Vuh > Florian's music was widely used in the films of Werner > Herzog. > i was just listening to AGUIRRE last night! This is sad news indeed...If any Ideal Copyists are not familiar with his work..please check out: Tangerine Dream - Zeit Popol Vuh - Affenstunde In Den Gaerten Pharoahs Hosianna Mantra Einsjager & Siebenjager Aguirre (soundtrack to Werner Herzog film) Nosferatu ( soundtrack to Werner Herzog film) it is easy to see how the music of Popol Vuh could have influenced the likes of Durutti Column, Flying Saucer Attack, The Orb as well as countless ambient/electronica groups, and the Cocteau Twins (who sample "Nosferatu" on their debut "Garlands"........His work is beautiful, shimmering, and quite meditational...He will be missed.... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 07:19:18 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wire @ RFH >He Said, bar the last track, was excellent. Is that the track that got on ITITB CD? Syarzhuk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:12:30 -0000 From: "Keith Astbury" Subject: [idealcopy] seeing wire at the rfh thanks for the lovely comments re. my recent review of the rfh gig. i went and read some of the old archive stuff on the site yesterday from around that period and it brought back memories of a few things i'd forgotten... as for devoto and shelley - i had no idea they were working together. can't wait to hear that. i still regret not going to see the buzzcocks when they played the buckley 'tiv' (north wales) in late 1977 - it was 5 minutes walk from my house - cos i had my maths 'o' level re-sit the next day. as it was i went to my mates anyway (and failed the re-sit !). still, i saw them the following year in liverpool with subway sect and the accellators supporting. as for devoto - i love the first 3 magazine albums (i thought the last one was sort of ok) and i reckon the first luxuria LP is excellent too - which is perhaps a nice way of saying that the 2nd one isn't much cop (i wasn't wild about his solo album either). howards other half in luxuria, was of course, noko of apollo 440 who did that stunning 'pain in any language' track with the late billy mackenzie on their 1st LP ('electro glide in blue'). This was the last thing billy ever did apparently - and if you haven't heard it and if you liked the associates, then get the album - the rest of it's not that great but 'pain' has one of billy's best ever vocal performances and you can usually pick it up quite cheap in the uk... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:07:32 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wireviews reviews Craig If I get a minute I'll see what I can do. Anybody else here actually go to Mzui? Mark << A 'MZUI' review would be nice... :) >> ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:41:21 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] (OT) devoto i've tried to like those luxuria lp's but i struggle. the only 2 tracks i really like are the 2 versions of "beast box". the rest just seems dull. a question ; if you combined the last magazine lp , the devoto solo album and the 2 luxuria albums would you get one decent cd? discuss.......p (as an aside , i was reading the "peel sessions" book and on one skids session john mcgeogh sat in for an "ill" stuart adamson. anyone heard that , sounds like something you ought to hear) ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 14:46:37 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) devoto strangely enough...i haven't heard much of Magazine's stuff...i think i have a 12" or two..i believe one of them is called "About the Weather"...anyone care to describe them? Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:09:30 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire @ RFH In a message dated 1/9/02 10:23:41 AM Central Standard Time, bamboo7431@hotmail.com writes: << >He Said, bar the last track, was excellent. Is that the track that got on ITITB CD? Syarzhuk >> what does ITITB stand for again???? Robert (feeling kinda slow) Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 15:59:44 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) devoto << a question ; if you combined the last magazine lp , the devoto solo album and the 2 luxuria albums would you get one decent cd? discuss.......p<< A decent EP - About the weather, rainy season, cold imagination, beast box. Er...that's it. >>(as an aside , i was reading the "peel sessions" book and on one skids session john mcgeogh sat in for an "ill" stuart adamson. anyone heard that , sounds like something you ought to hear) >> Only got Circus Games on tape from that session. McGeogh plays it pretty straight. Also features Siouxsie on backing vocals (not credited in the session book, though Severin gets a namecheck). Degenerates into a jokey "come and play with John Peel" bit at the end from what I remember. Must dig it out. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:04:40 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) devoto Robert, << strangely enough...i haven't heard much of Magazine's stuff...i think i have a 12" or two..i believe one of them is called "About the Weather"...anyone care to describe them? >> Go out first thing tomorrow and buy Secondhand Daylight. One of the greatest albums ever made. As good as Unknown Pleasures or 154. Really. You really need the first three albums - Real Life and The Correct use of soap are the others. Both brilliant records. The box set that was released last year is also worthwhile for the Peel sessions in particular. In the UK it can be found very cheaply. Not sure about the US. About the weather is the best track off the fourth Album, Magic Murder and the weather, which is a piece of crap by comparison, and Martin Hannett-produced crap too. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:05:26 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire @ RFH << what does ITITB stand for again???? >> I think it stands for IAITB ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 09 Jan 2002 16:09:39 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire @ RFH >what does ITITB stand for again???? Sorry, meant IAITB - It's All In The Brochure Syarzhuk _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 16:18:20 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire @ RFH In a message dated 1/9/02 3:10:02 PM Central Standard Time, bamboo7431@hotmail.com writes: << Sorry, meant IAITB - It's All In The Brochure Syarzhuk >> does anybody know where i could get a cd-r or a tape of this? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 13:51:17 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Wire @ RFH >does anybody know where i could get a cd-r or a tape of this? > http://www.posteverything.com/artists/release.php?id=1069 Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 00:31:49 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Buzzcocks/Magazine...Nostalgia Keith Astbury wrote : >still, i saw them the following year in liverpool with subway sect >and >the accellators supporting. yet another gig i was at, with a future fellow IC-er...!!! Liverpool Empire Theatre....aahhhh, what a gig... another great one there, at around the same time, was Siouxsie & The Banshees supported by the original Cure line-up...and someone else, damn who was it...? Note to R.Lynn...yes Robert, they are all correct. you must own the first 3 Magazine LP's, all classics. ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:17:47 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! OK I feel a Rant coming on! The editorial in The Wire Magazine this week infers that the focus of the magazine is '..the world of Serious Music'. "Serious Music" ?!?!!?!?!?! UGHH!!!! What a sexless, soul-less, Joyless, emotionless, humourless, anal and depressing term that is. If the free CD mounted on the cover is a reflection on what 'Serious Music' is then I'm going to start reading the NME again! Most of the tracks (apart from the ones by 23 Skidoo and Cornelius) are a load of tedious free-jazz wrist action (oh wow...atonal saxophone...how f**king futuristic) and the rest of it suggests that 'The Underground' consists of legions of semen encrusted bores trying to do a less tuneful take on Godspeed You Black Emporers more suicidal moments. God help us if this is 'Adventures in Modern Music'. God help us. If this is 'The Underground' then I take back everything I ever said about The Strokes! - ------------------------------------------ Elecro-upstarts. Yakayakayaka Boom www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 01:35:20 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! Tim wrote : >OK I feel a Rant coming on! >The editorial in The Wire Magazine this week infers that the focus of the >magazine is '..the world of Serious Music'. etc., etc.,........ i've just sent an email to an old friend that i haven't seen for maybe 2 or 3 years and said much the same...won't go into details. thank you Tim. i was afraid it was just me. i officially gave up on The Wire as of 31/12/01... i now read no 'music press' whatsoever...HOORAY....I AM CLEAN... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:46:16 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! In a message dated 1/9/02 7:24:08 PM Central Standard Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > OK I feel a Rant coming on! > > > The editorial in The Wire Magazine this week infers that the focus of the > magazine is '..the world of Serious Music'. > > "Serious Music" ?!?!!?!?!?! > > UGHH!!!! What a sexless, soul-less, Joyless, emotionless, humourless, anal > and depressing term that is. > > If the free CD mounted on the cover is a reflection on what 'Serious Music' > > is then I'm going to start reading the NME again! > Most of the tracks (apart from the ones by 23 Skidoo and Cornelius) are a > load of tedious free-jazz wrist action (oh wow...atonal saxophone...how > f**king futuristic) and the rest of it suggests that 'The Underground' > consists of legions of semen encrusted bores trying to do a less tuneful > take on Godspeed You Black Emporers more suicidal moments. > God help us if this is 'Adventures in Modern Music'. God help us. > > If this is 'The Underground' then I take back everything I ever said about > The Strokes! > > > i agree with completely! the WIRE is becoming a boooooring old rag...this month's cd TOTALLY SUCKS....The only part of this month's issue worth a crap was the Cabaret Voltaire write up...and the letter from the chap who thinks that Kirk DeGeorgio's (aka As One..the "idm" wiz (?) comments (in the previous issue) that Throbbing Gristle's music was worthless crap and shouldn't exist, only shows that Kirk is a worthless piece of crap...Yes, Kirk was last month's guest for the Jukebox section...he said things like: "Oh this record has no groove, or soul, or funk..so it's boring crap" and "Oh, i wasn't raised on boring electronic experimental music, i was raised on funk, hip-hop, soul and r&b" ....zzzz yawn...yeah yeah Kirk you've got "soul"...snicker... cheers! Robert Lynn Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 20:50:10 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! In a message dated 1/9/02 7:36:09 PM Central Standard Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > i officially gave up on The Wire as of 31/12/01... > i now read no 'music press' whatsoever...HOORAY....I AM CLEAN... > > ian.s.j. > Now there is a great idea!...reading NO music press! i should just listen to music online that i am curious about..pay attention to new release schedules..and trust word of mouth! then i would have no damn use for these cruddy mags!..Thanks for the idea Ian! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 18:17:44 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! >Ian wrote: i officially gave up on The Wire as of 31/12/01... > i now read no 'music press' whatsoever...HOORAY....I AM CLEAN... > > ian.s.j. I haven't read a music mag for several years,I listen instead to student radio stations and to what friends are buying,that way I buy what I like,and not what some reviewer that doesn't know MY taste likes.Ari Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:53:04 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! In a message dated 1/9/02 9:18:40 PM, luvjazzz@yahoo.com writes: > >I haven't read a music mag for several years,I listen >instead to student radio stations and to what friends >are buying,that way I buy what I like,and not what >some reviewer that doesn't know MY taste likes.Ari ditto...except for where you signed your name. i'll sign mine - -another the paul p.s. i hate sending little one line/one word posts, so lemme pose a question: are the gilbert albums this way/shivering man available full length on cd now? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 9 Jan 2002 22:30:31 -0800 From: "Mark" Subject: [idealcopy] mags to read All fans of interesting music should check out a magazine called 'The Big Takover'. The web site is http://www.bigtakeover.com/ The 2000 issue had a fantastic interview with Wire. You can order a back issue. In the back of every issue are pages and pages of reviews of bands that don't get regular press but are worth checking out. Try it mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2002 04:06:21 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Oh No 'The Wire'!!! In a message dated 10/01/2002 01:52:14 GMT Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > i now read no 'music press' whatsoever...HOORAY....I AM CLEAN... > > > > ian.s.j. > So am I Ian & proud of it. In fact most of the music I go out & buy has been discussed on this list.What a recommendation.I'm sure Robert for one would agree ? CHEERS CHRIS ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #9 *****************************