From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V5 #5 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, January 6 2002 Volume 05 : Number 005 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] the gotspe according to St. John [Bart van Damme ] Re: [idealcopy] Cabaret Voltaire are the most erratic band ever? [MarkBur] Re: [idealcopy] strokes/hives/stripes [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] my first music of the new year! [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] Never mind the Strokes... [MrSodium@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] my first music of the new year! ["stephen graziano" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 11:43:10 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the gotspe according to St. John Eric wrote: > Newfoundland to Canadians is kind of like Northern Scotland to the British > or Friesland to the Dutch. I have a weird [ex-friesian] auntie living in Vancouver BC where they also have a [fort] St. John! Where I live [in Groningen] is next to Friesland [Fryslan it's called there - - they officially have their own language]. I even work there! Can you imagine, every day having to cross the heavily guarded border, passing the barbedwire fences. ;-) Cheers! BART bartvandamme@home.nl http://wwwbartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 14:30:28 +0100 From: Bart van Damme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] GbV >> For all you Guided by Voices- and Robbie Williams fans out there, embrace >> yourselves for... THE TWO BOBS! >> [drag the picture of the site - it is larger than shown here] >> I'm sure this will give mr. Williams' career the boost it needed! >> http://www.gbv.com/index1.html >> Cheers! >> Bart >> http://www.bartvandamme.com >> bartvandamme@home.nl > there is only one "bob" > you are clearly a pink boy or gorp > j Well, I'm glad at least his BOBness has a sense of humour about this! GORP [gawrp ] noun snack food: a snack mixture used especially by hikers and campers, often made of nuts, seeds, dried fruits, and chocolate chips [Mid-20th century. Origin unknown] PINK [pingk ] (plural pinks) noun type of sailing ship: a sailing ship with a narrow overhanging stern [Late 15th century. From Middle DUTCH pincke] Hey, I'm Dutch! How'd you guess? BART bartvandamme@home.nl http://wwwbartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:23:34 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cabaret Voltaire are the most erratic band ever? If it's got vocals on it, it's Mal. Mark << I'm pretty sure everything after the Body & Soul LP was done entirely by RHK even though Mal gets a credit. He's credited on 'The Conversation' which is my favourite 90s Cabs record but I can only hear Mr Kirk! Maybe it was just that Mal just wanted to be a popstar all along..so when he left RHK just went back to doing experimental stuff. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:25:31 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] strokes/hives/stripes Oh you lot are so damn serious! Mark ;-) << Does being "from the street" lend music instant credibility? I grew up lower middle class. If I chose to be a concert pianist, would that discredit me? >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 09:26:54 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my first music of the new year! << Substance- New Order (manly for Procession, Mesh, >> ...which isn't Mesh. It's Cries & Whispers... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 11:38:03 EST From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Never mind the Strokes... there's a new Human League cd out!! C'mon people--let's maintain our focus on 80's pop, please! A belated question to Robert re the movie rant: Do you blame the farmer because hogs like slop? The studios release crap because that's what people pay to see. Same holds true for the record companies. This is what you want? This is what you get. Wading thru the sea of sludge makes finding the diamonds in the dungheap all the more rewarding, in my book. MrNa np: JD--Fractured Box--the Paris disc ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 05 Jan 2002 12:02:23 -0500 From: "stephen graziano" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] my first music of the new year! If you like the Twilight Circus vol 1 - then you'll love their Volcanic Dub!! _________________________________________________________________ Send and receive Hotmail on your mobile device: http://mobile.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:08:10 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] strokes/hives/stripes In a message dated 05/01/02 04:14:14 GMT Standard Time, e.klaver@sympatico.ca writes: > From the styling of the Strokes vids that I have seen they aren't trying to > pull the wool over anyone's eyes as to their "originality". Their whole > style seems very conscious (as conscious as the Pistols or any other > marketed band on a major label for that matter) ///so who would you say the pistols took their style from? seemed pretty original to me....... not sure that in the era the strokes plunder wholesale there was much "conscious styling" , wasn't that the whole appeal of the first wave of punk bands? by the time the major labels got involved the bands all had strong images , can't really imagine too many got offerred a session with a stylist by EMI or whoever (or was that where EGL's bouffant quiff / upturned collar look came from. hmmmm) p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:02:58 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] my first music of the new year! The track list says Mesh. Is there a mistake here? Eric in Toronto - -----Original Message----- << Substance- New Order (manly for Procession, Mesh, >> ...which isn't Mesh. It's Cries & Whispers... Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:28:36 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] my first music of the new year! << The track list says Mesh. Is there a mistake here? >> Yes. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 13:34:16 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] strokes/hives/stripes >///so who would you say the pistols took their style from? ummm ... richard hell by way of malcolm mclaren? dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 14:45:32 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] strokes/hives/stripes In a message dated 05/01/02 19:34:06 GMT Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > >///so who would you say the pistols took their style from? > > ummm ... richard hell by way of malcolm mclaren? > > dan > //// well in style terms malcy was part of the pistols so using his (or rather vivienne westwood OBE , as usual malcy takes the credit for everyone he works with) ideas isn't very similar to what the strokes are doing. maybe (and only maybe) m & v took a very small part of their ideas from RH (safety pins and spiky hair) but big chunks of what SEX were selling (and dressing the pistols in) was nothing remotely to do with him. a lot of the imagery they worked in was fetish/rubber/bondage or their old teddy boy/rocker ideas ; you can accuse malcy of a lot of things but nicking the entire punk idea from RH is a bit steep. i'm reminded of a great quote in glen matlocks autobiography along the lines of "people say malcolm never had an original idea but that's totally unfair. he definitely invented the peg trouser" p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 5 Jan 2002 19:27:48 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: RE: [idealcopy] strokes/hives/stripes Bart? wrote > It just seems false to me. Stage school kids. The strokes - singer's daddy > owns a modelling agency. Guitarist's daddy is Albert "free electric band" > Hammond. THIS IS NOT THE MUSIC OF THE STREETS, KIDS!!! I wonder if anyone on this list is "from the street"! So what's your point - that they're somehow genetically polluted? problem is we tend to pidgeon-hole ourselves and become as ignorant/stuck-up/snobbish/elitist as the 'rest of 'em'. the trick is to embrace all genres and all styles,but only 'wear' what suits us.If it sounds good,it is good,Ari. Send FREE video emails in Yahoo! Mail! http://promo.yahoo.com/videomail/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V5 #5 *****************************