From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #394 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, December 29 2001 Volume 04 : Number 394 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Nonesuch ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] Nonesuch [bartvanDamme ] Re: [idealcopy] Nonesuch [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] MAIN: on-topic ["JS (Jim) Adams" ] Re: [idealcopy] Nonesuch [dpbailey@att.net] Re: [idealcopy] The Fall [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] Nonesuch [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] The Fall [dpbailey@att.net] Re: [idealcopy] Nonesuch [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] The Fall ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] The Fall [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re:[idealcopy] i need Venetian Snares info [Tim ] [idealcopy] Re: nonesuch [Rain19c@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:34:12 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nonesuch > Do any of you Ideal Copyists like the Nonesuch Label? All this conversation > about great classical stuff made me think of it....i have been pulling out a > lot of my old Nonesuch Electronic records (charles dodge...jacob > druckman....charles wuorinen...john cage..donald erb...morton subotnick ) as > well as selections from the excellent Nonesuch Explorer Series..especially > the Balinese Gamelan lps... the Kashmir lp as well as the traditional musics > of Afghanistan lp...the Burundi record is fabulous as well.....i am just now > getting around to finding some of the classical stuff on Nonesuch...i find > these records pretty cheaply where i live...usually at thrift stores...but i > see them go for around $15 or $20 online and in vintage record shops....any > Nonesuch/old electronic/tape/field recordings favorites out there? > Robert Lynn I'm not sure if it's a NoneSuch recording [I'm at work now], but I like "Rosa - The Death Of A Composer" a lot - a colaboration between Peter Greenaway and dutch composer Louis Andriessen. Furthermore I know John Adams and Steve Reich recorded for NoneSuch and they are amongst my fav modern composers. In my opinion the Kronos quartet always were a bit too "Nigel Kennedy". Cheers, Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:18:45 +0100 From: bartvanDamme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nonesuch > ......and what's wrong with nigel Kennedy,at least > he's inovative and original....... Ari Well, there're always people who seem to be busy translating classical music to a pop orientated market. I certainly don't need a classical musician to dress down as a popstar just to make me go and buy a classical album. It would be different if mr. Kennedy would introduce me to the very obscure corners of classical, but what I've known him to do is just make a form of hipster music-for-the-millions. But hey, if it works for you... And I haven't heard all of his stuff, so... Cheers, Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:29:51 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nonesuch Nige would be one of the first people up against the wall come the glorious day....lined up alongside Elton John, Phil Collins, Jeff Lynne and Sting. What an utter, utter twat. Mind you, when Brix shacked up with him, MES recruited a violin player to the Fall, pointedly referred to as playing "fiddle" on the credits. Worked too - see Sing Harpy! on Extricate. Mark << > ......and what's wrong with nigel Kennedy,at least > he's inovative and original....... Ari Well, there're always people who seem to be busy translating classical music to a pop orientated market. I certainly don't need a classical musician to dress down as a popstar just to make me go and buy a classical album. It would be different if mr. Kennedy would introduce me to the very obscure corners of classical, but what I've known him to do is just make a form of hipster music-for-the-millions. But hey, if it works for you... And I haven't heard all of his stuff, so... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 11:39:30 -0500 (EST) From: "JS (Jim) Adams" Subject: [idealcopy] MAIN: on-topic ...and Main contributed "used to" on _Whore: Various Artists Play Wire_ (WMO). np: Scala "Slide" (Bruce Gilbert Remix) ... knew I could find that Disjecta relationship somewhere. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:22:14 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nonesuch no eagles? or dave matthews? an american division is obviously needed. dan > Nige would be one of the first people up against the wall come the glorious > day....lined up alongside Elton John, Phil Collins, Jeff Lynne and Sting. > > What an utter, utter twat. > > Mind you, when Brix shacked up with him, MES recruited a violin player to the > Fall, pointedly referred to as playing "fiddle" on the credits. Worked too - > see Sing Harpy! on Extricate. > > Mark > > << > ......and what's wrong with nigel Kennedy,at least > > he's inovative and original....... Ari > > Well, there're always people who seem to be busy translating classical music > to a pop orientated market. I certainly don't need a classical musician to > dress down as a popstar just to make me go and buy a classical album. It > would be different if mr. Kennedy would introduce me to the very obscure > corners of classical, but what I've known him to do is just make a form of > hipster music-for-the-millions. > > But hey, if it works for you... And I haven't heard all of his stuff, so... ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 09:18:48 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Fall > Mind you, when Brix shacked up with him, MES > recruited a violin player to the > Fall, pointedly referred to as playing "fiddle" on > the credits. Worked too - > see Sing Harpy! on Extricate. > > Mark Just recovering from hearing the new Fall LP for the first time. I seem to remember it getting good reviews on here. Well, like good Fall LPs it sounds like it took two hours to record. The difference is that this one sounds like they spend about the same time writing and rehearsing the material on it. What a pile of shite. If this is the best Smith can come up with he should stick to spoken word and/or writing. This really is very weak. No tunes, no lyrics, just repetitive drones with the occasional bark. All the songs seem to have been 'written' or 'arranged' (there are three covers and a medley on here) in ten minutes with the view that if played live neither the band nor Smith need have a clue what each other are doing i.e. licence for Smith to be completely out of his tree. The work rate here makes David Ginola look like an Indonesian sewing machinist. MES should get it together and stop showing off/releasing albums. And to think Smith used to have a go at bands who released records because they'd got nothing better to do. After listening to this LP I feel like I've given a tenner to a homeless person and I'm worried how much they're going to spend of it pissing it up a wall. (Probably all of it.)First time I've ever listened to a new Fall LP and (a) wanted to skip tracks, (b) failed to play it several times over, (c) contemplated who to give it to. Shockingly bad. John Send your FREE holiday greetings online! http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:40:34 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nonesuch Dan, << no eagles? or dave matthews? an american division is obviously needed. >> Oh, come on...MOR country-lite or dull pub rock comes nowhere close to the crimes of the faux-cockney, canker-necked Villa fan. Or the Tantric wanker. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 19:29:37 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Fall sounds remarkably like my reaction to levitate, or whatever it was called ... are you are missing winner definitely isn't up to the level of the unutterable (or for that matter the marshall suite), but it still made my top 10 for the year. perhaps i (or my ears) need to get out more. dan > > Mind you, when Brix shacked up with him, MES > > recruited a violin player to the > > Fall, pointedly referred to as playing "fiddle" on > > the credits. Worked too - > > see Sing Harpy! on Extricate. > > > > Mark > > Just recovering from hearing the new Fall LP for the > first time. I seem to remember it getting good > reviews on here. Well, like good Fall LPs it sounds > like it took two hours to record. The difference is > that this one sounds like they spend about the same > time writing and rehearsing the material on it. What > a pile of shite. If this is the best Smith can come > up with he should stick to spoken word and/or writing. > This really is very weak. No tunes, no lyrics, just > repetitive drones with the occasional bark. All the > songs seem to have been 'written' or 'arranged' (there > are three covers and a medley on here) in ten minutes > with the view that if played live neither the band nor > Smith need have a clue what each other are doing i.e. > licence for Smith to be completely out of his tree. > The work rate here makes David Ginola look like an > Indonesian sewing machinist. MES should get it > together and stop showing off/releasing albums. And > to think Smith used to have a go at bands who released > records because they'd got nothing better to do. > After listening to this LP I feel like I've given a > tenner to a homeless person and I'm worried how much > they're going to spend of it pissing it up a wall. > (Probably all of it.)First time I've ever listened to > a new Fall LP and (a) wanted to skip tracks, (b) > failed to play it several times over, (c) contemplated > who to give it to. Shockingly bad. > > John > Send your FREE holiday greetings online!> http://greetings.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 14:39:55 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Nonesuch In a message dated 28/12/01 15:31:29 GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Nige would be one of the first people up against the wall come the glorious > day....lined up alongside Elton John, Phil Collins, Jeff Lynne and Sting. > > What an utter, utter twat. > /////absolutely. did anyone ever hear his "collaboration" with jaz coleman? sounded frightening. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 12:54:15 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Fall > Just recovering from hearing the new Fall LP for the > first time. I seem to remember it getting good > reviews on here. Well, like good Fall LPs it sounds > like it took two hours to record. The difference is > that this one sounds like they spend about the same > time writing and rehearsing the material on it. What > a pile of shite. It certainly is the antithesis of "The Unutterable", isn't it? (^_^) I'm not certain what I think about it. I understand John's point, certainly. However, I first heard these songs live (at the Seattle show), so the CD works a little differently for me. In many cases, these songs gained a power live that isn't as evident on the CD. I'll have to let it sink in some more, before I can reach a decision. I do think the production works against it. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 16:27:41 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] The Fall John, Can't say I agree. The Unutterable was undoubtedly the best Fall album for many years, and by comaprison AYAMW doesn't come close. But you have to admire the old git for doing the absolute opposite. Sack the entire band and see what happens. And it does have at least one bona fide Fall classic in My ex-classmates' kids. And it's way better than Levitate. Hey, Fall albums. You don't like one - no problem, there'll be another along in a few months. Mark << > Just recovering from hearing the new Fall LP for the > first time. I seem to remember it getting good > reviews on here. Well, like good Fall LPs it sounds > like it took two hours to record. The difference is > that this one sounds like they spend about the same > time writing and rehearsing the material on it. What > a pile of shite. >> ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Dec 2001 01:19:25 +0000 From: Tim Subject: Re:[idealcopy] i need Venetian Snares info Robert wrote >could any of you Ideal Copyists give me a little info on the Venetian >Snares?..i have two cds on hold at my local record store...they are used and >only $5.99, but i have never heard them....what do they sound like? I heard some tracks on the Planet Mu compilation (The Cosmic Forces of Mu) and was rather disappointed cos they have a great name and i've read good things about them. I'd call it Drum & Bass for young offenders....but presumably made by white middle class kids with lots of expensive equipment. Faux Street-sounds if you like. Any self respecting Twocker* is listening to UK Garage nowadays anyway. * TWOC English Police term for Taking Without Owners Consent. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 23:40:01 EST From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: nonesuch i do like the nonesuch label, its quite to hard to find stuff from it by me, but i do have some subotonick and charles dodge. dodge's "speech songs" is probably my favorite of the top of my head- quirky sounding, yet intelligent text-wise. any ideas to get more nonesuch stuff in the U.S. ? ~michael ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #394 *******************************