From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #393 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, December 28 2001 Volume 04 : Number 393 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] the 15th ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] the 15th [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] OT- not the 15th ["Eric Klaver" ] main: RE: [idealcopy] OT- not the 15th [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: main: RE: [idealcopy] OT- not the 15th [Creaig Dunton ] Re: [idealcopy] RE: Main [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] RE: Main ... Immersion ["JS (Jim) Adams" ] Re: [idealcopy] the 15th ["Jan J Noorda" ] [idealcopy] i need Venetian Snares info [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: i need Venetian Snares info ["JS (Jim) Adams" ] Re: [idealcopy] the 15th ["bartvandamme@home" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:36:31 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the 15th > Does anyone of you know the string quartets of Alfred Scnittke. > Or Gorecki's third symphony performed by Dawn Upshaw > A big influence for Brian Eno. Anton Webern. > Shostakovich preludes and fugas Fantastic Schnittke really seems like a worthy successor of Shostakovich work. It's full of dark adventure. I like it a lot. His concerti Grossi and stringquartets really freak me out. Of course everyone who has a slight interest in classical music could not escape from Gorecki's neo kitschy 3rd symphony. Hey, but I like it! A bit like classical Cocteau Twins, ain't it? Talking about Eno, his "Variations on Canon in D Major by Pachelbel" is also a link to classical. It seemed Eno on his sickbed played Pachelbel's record at a slow speed and was very inspired by it. Shostakovich's Preludes and Fugues is indeed a great piece of work. I've got it by Tatiana Nikolayeva, but I got Svatoslav's Richter's version on tape and it is also very beautiful [even Keith Jarrett has recorded it!] Last year I got Anton Webern's Das Augenlicht... Nice one!! Cheers! Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:25:08 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the 15th In a message dated 12/27/01 4:39:26 AM, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > >Of course everyone who has a slight interest in classical music could not >escape from Gorecki's neo kitschy 3rd symphony. Hey, but I like it! A bit >like classical Cocteau Twins, ain't it? not to mention godspeed you black emperor!, who lifted it for i forget which piece specifically, but you could say the influence is really throughout their work. - -paul c.d. last night i listened to: alban berg-wozzeck sonic youth-daydream nation ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 10:51:12 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT- not the 15th janjnoorda: main-firmament III & firmament IV ////////////////////// who is this? I have always liked the word "firmament". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 11:43:44 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: main: RE: [idealcopy] OT- not the 15th the 3 guys in the band "loop" split. 2 of them became "hair & skin trading co." and the other guy (josh?) became main. someone else on the list may be more familiar with their names and who exactly went where, but the very coolest thing about the split up is that main and H&STco sound like the different elements of loop intensified. main is atmospheric (heh, as the album names imply) and droney, while H&ASTco is heavy, rhythmic, and droney. if you put the two back together, i think it'd be better than the original. - -paul c.d. In a message dated 12/27/01 10:56:43 AM, e.klaver@sympatico.ca writes: >main-firmament III & firmament IV > >////////////////////// > > >who is this? I have always liked the word "firmament". ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 12:23:22 -0500 From: Creaig Dunton Subject: Re: main: RE: [idealcopy] OT- not the 15th Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > the 3 guys in the band "loop" split. 2 of them became "hair & skin trading > co." and the other guy (josh?) became main. someone else on the list may be > more familiar with their names and who exactly went where, but the very > coolest thing about the split up is that main and H&STco sound like the > different elements of loop intensified. main is atmospheric (heh, as the > album names imply) and droney, while H&ASTco is heavy, rhythmic, and droney. > if you put the two back together, i think it'd be better than the original. > Yep, Main was Robert Hampson and Scott Dawson, both formerly of Loop (Dawson joined on 2nd guitar at the end of Loop's career, around _A Guilded Eternity_ I believe), and Dawson left Main around _Firmament III_ I believe. Main was the first band that got me interested in so-called 'experimental' music when I bought their _Motion Pool_ disc at the mall on my 15th birthday ;) - -- Creaig Dunton http://www.2fmp.com <-2nd Floor Mafia Productions http://www.fpcmagazine.com <- False Prophet Campaign ICQ: 5417270 AOL: Creaig ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 13:33:25 -0500 (EST) From: "JS (Jim) Adams" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Main After a lenghty silence Robert Hampson has recently returned with: * Comae (Hampson with Janek Schaefer) (rhiz) * AF_M (Hampson with Antenna Farm) (staalplaat) * plus a MAIN track on Floating Foundations Vol. 1 (sub rosa) In the interim, there have been some more-beat oriented excursions from his "Chasm" alias (Lo Recordings compilation track / split 12-inch on Fat Cat). jsa > Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > > > the 3 guys in the band "loop" split. 2 of them became "hair & skin trading > > co." and the other guy (josh?) became main. someone else on the list may be > > more familiar with their names and who exactly went where, but the very > > coolest thing about the split up is that main and H&STco sound like the > > different elements of loop intensified. main is atmospheric (heh, as the > > album names imply) and droney, while H&ASTco is heavy, rhythmic, and droney. > > if you put the two back together, i think it'd be better than the original. > > > > Yep, Main was Robert Hampson and Scott Dawson, both formerly of Loop (Dawson > joined on 2nd guitar at the end of Loop's career, around _A Guilded Eternity_ I > believe), and Dawson left Main around _Firmament III_ I believe. Main was the > first band that got me interested in so-called 'experimental' music when I > bought their _Motion Pool_ disc at the mall on my 15th birthday ;) | js (jim) adams | artbear@iglou.com | artbear@adams-dress.com | http://members.iglou.com/artbear/ | washington dc usa | overload sometimes enhances - charles hayward 'switch on war' ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:11:41 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Main In a message dated 12/27/01 06:35:08 GMT Standard Time, artbear@iglou.com writes: To get back on topic, Hampson has collaborated with Bruce on the GilbertHampsonKendall 'Orr' album, which is excellent. But you knew that anyway;-) Mark > After a lenghty silence Robert Hampson has recently returned with: > > * Comae (Hampson with Janek Schaefer) (rhiz) > * AF_M (Hampson with Antenna Farm) (staalplaat) > * plus a MAIN track on Floating Foundations Vol. 1 (sub rosa) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 15:51:26 -0500 (EST) From: "JS (Jim) Adams" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Main ... Immersion And tangentially on-topic both Hampson (as CHASM and MAIN) and Immersion contributed to Bowery Electric's _Vertigo_ remix disc: Fear of Flying / Fear of Flying (Chasm Mix) / Black Light (Osymyso Mix) / Without Stopping (Witchman Mix) / Coming Down (Immersion Mix) / Black Light (Dunderhead Mix) / Empty Words (Twisted Science Mix) / Fear of Flying (Third Eye Foundation Mix) / Elementary Particles (Main Mix) Pity the Disjecta mix of "Beat" didn't make it to the CD issue; but that's another tangent... and agreed, Orr, is a superlative outing. jsa > To get back on topic, Hampson has collaborated with Bruce on the > GilbertHampsonKendall 'Orr' album, which is excellent. But you knew that > anyway;-) > > After a lenghty silence Robert Hampson has recently returned with: > > > > * Comae (Hampson with Janek Schaefer) (rhiz) > > * AF_M (Hampson with Antenna Farm) (staalplaat) > > * plus a MAIN track on Floating Foundations Vol. 1 (sub rosa) > | js (jim) adams | artbear@iglou.com | artbear@adams-dress.com | http://members.iglou.com/artbear/ | washington dc usa | overload sometimes enhances - charles hayward 'switch on war' | ...and everyone I held began to bleed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:11:07 +0100 From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the 15th > > Does anyone of you know the string quartets of Alfred Scnittke. > > Or Gorecki's third symphony performed by Dawn Upshaw > > A big influence for Brian Eno. Anton Webern. > > Shostakovich preludes and fugas Fantastic > > Schnittke really seems like a worthy successor of Shostakovich work. It's > full of dark adventure. I like it a lot. His concerti Grossi and > stringquartets really freak me out. > The first I heard about Alfred Scnittke was on the Arvo Paert Tabula Rasa on ECM ceedee. He is playing a prepared piano on one of the three pieces. Later I heard about he was a composer with a very own way to let perform his pieces. A kind of theatrical way. Not only to let the people hear "his milling through the grinder" but also to show. The musicians had to walk during performing his piece. The music sounds very chaotic sometimes. Moods are changing fast. In other words romantic, ironic, angry, dreamy, suddenly sounds like quoting a famous composer like Bach or Stravinski etc., It sounds if the composer is confused and depressed. There is no ideology he is fitting to. If you want to hear the stringquartets complete, you have to go through these moods and at the end ( I have a Kronos Quartet performance) there is a piece called "Collected Songs Where Every Verse Is Filled With Grief" played very intimate. These stringquartets are emotional music really confronting. It took Kronos Quartet a lot of energy to come out of the musical world of Schnittke they've told in interviews later. Schnittke sounds German but he was born in Russia. I belief one of his parents was Wolga-German, the other Jewish. > Of course everyone who has a slight interest in classical music could not > escape from Gorecki's neo kitschy 3rd symphony. Hey, but I like it! A bit > like classical Cocteau Twins, ain't it? Gorecki wrote this piece for rememerance of the Destruction of the Jewish Ghetto in Warsaw in WorldWar II. The words song in the the second piece are words found in a Concentrationcamp written on a wall. It's not so heavenly kitschy if you might belief. Okay a soprana like Upshaw and Liz Frazer could sound sometimes the same. But it is off topic. > Talking about Eno, his "Variations on Canon in D Major by Pachelbel" is also > a link to classical. It seemed Eno on his sickbed played Pachelbel's record > at a slow speed and was very inspired by it. > > Shostakovich's Preludes and Fugues is indeed a great piece of work. > I've got it by Tatiana Nikolayeva, but I got Svatoslav's Richter's version > on tape and it is also very beautiful [even Keith Jarrett has recorded it!] Mine is from Vladimir Ashkenazy. Maybe you remember him from Beauty and Consolation made by Wim Kayzer. > Cheers! > Jan> > ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:06:01 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] i need Venetian Snares info could any of you Ideal Copyists give me a little info on the Venetian Snares?..i have two cds on hold at my local record store...they are used and only $5.99, but i have never heard them....what do they sound like?...thanks for ANY help... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 16:16:58 -0500 (EST) From: "JS (Jim) Adams" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: i need Venetian Snares info MP3's @ http://www.planet-mu.com/ aka Aaron Funk ... IDM... crunchy ... drum n bass ... "breakcore" according to the planet mu bio ... former collaborator w/ SPEEDRANCH so anticipate the meter going into the red ... sqwaunky electro beat. _Songs about my Cat_ is the new disc (nice cover. my cat hates you.) jsa On Thu, 27 Dec 2001 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > could any of you Ideal Copyists give me a little info on the Venetian > Snares?..i have two cds on hold at my local record store...they are used and > only $5.99, but i have never heard them....what do they sound like?...thanks > for ANY help... > > Robert Lynn > | js (jim) adams | artbear@iglou.com | artbear@adams-dress.com | http://members.iglou.com/artbear/ | washington dc usa | overload sometimes enhances - charles hayward 'switch on war' | ...and everyone I held began to bleed. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 27 Dec 2001 22:51:57 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Nonesuch Do any of you Ideal Copyists like the Nonesuch Label? All this conversation about great classical stuff made me think of it....i have been pulling out a lot of my old Nonesuch Electronic records (charles dodge...jacob druckman....charles wuorinen...john cage..donald erb...morton subotnick ) as well as selections from the excellent Nonesuch Explorer Series..especially the Balinese Gamelan lps... the Kashmir lp as well as the traditional musics of Afghanistan lp...the Burundi record is fabulous as well.....i am just now getting around to finding some of the classical stuff on Nonesuch...i find these records pretty cheaply where i live...usually at thrift stores...but i see them go for around $15 or $20 online and in vintage record shops....any Nonesuch/old electronic/tape/field recordings favorites out there? Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 08:29:58 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the 15th > spoke last week with a musician I didnot see for years. He is involved with > a band called the Serenes. And yes they did the 15th of Wire some years ago. > Try to find out if the recordings are still there. The Serenes? I've seen them a couple of times in Groningen, but that was a few years ago... Who was it, the frontman? [forgot his name] Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 28 Dec 2001 10:01:23 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] the 15th >>> Does anyone of you know the string quartets of Alfred Scnittke. >>> Or Gorecki's third symphony performed by Dawn Upshaw >>> A big influence for Brian Eno. Anton Webern. >>> Shostakovich preludes and fugas Fantastic >> >> Schnittke really seems like a worthy successor of Shostakovich work. It's >> full of dark adventure. I like it a lot. His concerti Grossi and >> stringquartets really freak me out. >> > The first I heard about Alfred Scnittke was on the Arvo Paert Tabula Rasa on > ECM ceedee. My first time [ehm...] was Schnittke sharing a pianotrio album with formentioned Shostakovich. > He is playing a prepared piano on one of the three pieces. Later I heard > about he was a composer with a very own way to let perform his pieces. A > kind of theatrical way. Not only to let the people hear "his milling through > the grinder" but also to show. The musicians had to walk during performing > his piece. The music > sounds very chaotic sometimes. Moods are changing fast. In other words > romantic, ironic, angry, dreamy, suddenly sounds like quoting a famous > composer like Bach or Stravinski etc., It sounds if the composer is confused > and depressed. There is no ideology he is fitting to. If you want to hear > the stringquartets complete, you have to go through these moods and at the > end ( I have a Kronos Quartet performance) there is a piece called > "Collected Songs Where Every Verse Is Filled With Grief" played very > intimate. These stringquartets are emotional music really confronting. It > took Kronos Quartet a lot of energy to come out of the musical world of > Schnittke they've told in interviews later. Schnittke sounds German but he > was born in Russia. I belief one of his parents was Wolga-German, the other > Jewish. ...and he only recently [in '98] made that brilliant careermove for composers called dying. >> Of course everyone who has a slight interest in classical music could not >> escape from Gorecki's neo kitschy 3rd symphony. Hey, but I like it! A bit >> like classical Cocteau Twins, ain't it? > > Gorecki wrote this piece for rememerance of the Destruction of the Jewish > Ghetto in Warsaw in WorldWar II. The words song in the the second piece are > words found in a Concentrationcamp written on a wall. It's not so heavenly > kitschy if you might belief. Okay a soprana like Upshaw and Liz Frazer could > sound sometimes the same. But it is off topic. I bought Gorecki's 3rd on vinyl back in '84 or so and sold it years later - still got it on tape. I'm aware of it's heavy contents, but I can't help feeling Gorecki's approach is a bit music-for-the-millions-like. And perhaps, like a sick Eno, he listened to "Oh Mensch! Gib Acht!" [Nietzsche lyrics] from Mahler's 3rd symphony at a slower speed - the resemblance is striking. >> Shostakovich's Preludes and Fugues is indeed a great piece of work. >> I've got it by Tatiana Nikolayeva, but I got Svatoslav's Richter's version >> on tape and it is also very beautiful [even Keith Jarrett has recorded >> it!] > Mine is from Vladimir Ashkenazy. Maybe you remember him from Beauty and > Consolation made by Wim Kayzer. Yeah, I remember... stunning piece of television that was, though I had the feeling Ashkenazy contribution was a bit weak here. As a pianist I like him better - surely one of the greatest! Cheers! Bart http://www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #393 *******************************