From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #386 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, December 21 2001 Volume 04 : Number 386 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Wireviews.com [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] new CD's: Fridge/KG/Kraftwerk & others [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... ["Jerry" ] Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... ["Jerry" ] RE: [idealcopy] [OT] OUR FRANK... [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... [dpbailey@att.net] Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... ["ian.s. jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] HAPPY FESTIVITIES [kevin eden ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 03:25:14 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Wireviews.com Time to update your bookmarks. Wireviews now finally has the domain I've been after for ages, namely Wireviews.com. Please start using this rather than the snub.dircon address, as the site will be moving next year. The rebuild is still ongoing and phase one will be completed some time in January 2002. Oh, and I hope everyone has a good festive season and New Year, whatever you're celebrating! Best Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://www.wireviews.org News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://www.vmuonline.com SVA: http://www.snubcommunications.com - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! Buy at http://shopping.yahoo.com or bid at http://auctions.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 15:22:43 +0300 From: giluz Subject: [idealcopy] new CD's: Fridge/KG/Kraftwerk & others Been to my favourite record shop yesterday and wound up with the following: Fridge - Happiness: The name sounded vaguely familliar and I only now confirmed that this is indeed a PostEverything release (via Text Records). I even remember listening to it on the site and not being very impressed. The same thing happened at the record shop yesterday, but after fast forwarding to the second half of the CD, which is more "rocky" (i.e. has some drums and bass in it :) ), I decided on an impulse to take it and I don't regret it. I have to admit that even now, reading the comments on the album in the PE site (at http://www.posteverything.com/artists/release.php?id=1359), going like: 'Fridge describe themselves as, "Three close friends, making music quickly and directly from what we feel. Completely safe and at ease, late in the night, warm and loving." This is the sound of Happiness' - I was thinking 'what the fuck are they talking about?'. The album is much more gloomy and interesting and weird than this description reveals. If you'd want to classify it I'll say it's post-rock, with those same jumps from the acoustic to the electronic. Well worth your while and can be listened to at the PE site (4 tracks on RealAudio). Song titles are also cool. Their equipment was stolen on their US tour a few months ago, and Graeme Rowland said that they're one of Colin's favourite bands. I would be very happy to know where they're from (with names like Kieran Hebden & Adem Ilhan it does make you wonder), if anyone knows. KG - Greatest Hits - weird one, with 4 rocky distorted my-bloody-valentinesque tracks and the rest heavily electronic (but also quite heavily distorted), I would also like to know where they're from and what they're about, if anyone ever heard of them. Third and last and maybe best is Kraftwerk's 3rd album, Rolf & Florian, which I finally managed to lay my hands on. Someone on this list once told me that their first three are the best - I don't know the first two albums yet, but judging by this one he was right. Plus a few insights on 'older' albums (older in my collection, I mean): Silo - Alloy - this proved a bit harder to grasp than I thought it would, maybe because it was so similar in style to Instar, but I can now say, with no reservations, that it is indeed superior to their debut, for the simple fact that it has better songs on it. The latest Fall also grows on you with each listen. Boredoms' Some Are (especially track 3) is a masterpiece. cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:40:02 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Oblique Stategies >From: kevin eden >Subject: [idealcopy] Oblique Strategies > >The fifth revised edition of Brian Eno' Oblique >Strategies are now available direct from Opal Ltd. > >Cheques psayable to Opal Ltd for #30.00 or USD$45.00 > >Oblique Strategies Offer >PO BOX 31500 >London >W11 3FB >UK I'll just add: the cards come shrink-wrapped, in a standard (I assume) card box. 50 sets are signed by Eno, but there is no way to tell which 50 sets. Therefore, those who get the signed sets are picked completely, and appropriately, at random. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 11:02:40 -0500 (EST) From: "JS (Jim) Adams" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] new CD's: Fridge/KG/Kraftwerk & others > Fridge - Happiness > I would be very happy to know where they're from.... http://brainwashed.com/fridge/ http://www.temporaryresidence.com/www/trl_html/bands/fridge.htm London ... and Kieran is responsible as FOUR TET for the wonderful _Pause_ and _Paws_ (remix) albums this year. Some other favorites of the years ROTHKO on Toolshed and Lo Recordings; SILO; dat politics (www.ski-pp.com); Planet Mu compilation; ~Swim team 2; Tigerbeat6 compilation; FAUST live in finland (2CD) and ravvivando remix (dall & vauk)... still awaiting MASSACRE meltdown... // and finally the NEU! reissues... yeah! | js (jim) adams | artbear@iglou.com | artbear@adams-dress.com | http://members.iglou.com/artbear/ | washington dc usa ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 10:45:37 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Top Ten 1. John Cale: Sunblind Music; Dream Interpretation; Stainless Gamelan. (3 cds of home tapes from the 60s) 2. Phill Niblock: Touch Works for Hurdy Gurdy and Voice 3. IBM: The Opal Sessions (what's a top 3 w/out Bruce?) 4. Zeena Parkins, Thurston Moore, Nels Cline: Live at East Hampton Town Hall 5. Kasper T. Toeplitz: Fissure (Note: Toeplitz's concert in Chicago was easily my favorite live event of the year. This, his first solo release, is excellent, but only scratches the surface of what he can do.) 6. King Crimson: Level 5 7. Kawabata Makoto: You are the Moonshine and Inui 2 8. Philip Jeck: Vinyl Coda 4 9. Ocsid: Opening Sweep 10. Brian Eno: Drawn From Life Best reissue: Michael O'Shea List-favorite Fennesz's Endless Summer would be 11 or so. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:44:51 -0000 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... Didn't anyone else, like me, find the Pixies insufferably pretentious and contrived? Not meaning to dis them particularly, just an observation... j - ----- Original Message ----- From: "bartvandamme@home" To: "wire-news" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... > >>> but to recap -- i think his first solo lp was pretty > >>> good, while his 2nd (teenager of the year) i regard as an > >>> underappreciated > >>> gem, one of the best of the '90s. > > And a BIG amen to THAT! > > >> For me, with the exception of Los Angeles, the first LP was a massive > >> disappointment. Sounded like he was trying to channel the spirit of David > >> Bowie or something. > > Bowie? Weird, I hear more Beach Boys in it! And I like it a lot! > > >> What little bits I heard from the next few albums > >> convinced me that I was better off looking elsewhere. I found the Breeders > >> axis to be more in line with my tastes. > > I can imagine people had to get used to a solo FB after 5 outstanding Pixies > albums, but as I said earlier, for me his solo stuff was still better than > lots of other related releases and his first two I rate in the same league > as the last two Pixies albums. > > >> (Although, I'll probably pick up > >> Teenager of the Year at some point.) > > Phew... your soul is safe now! > > > I've got to agree with Dan on this one: FRANK BLACK was rippingly good, > > and TEENAGER OF THE YEAR sublime. I think I had TEENAGER in the car > > rotation for over two years. Over twenty hooky songs that don't outlive > > their welcome (PINK FLAG, anyone?), insane variety of subjects and musical > > approaches, ahhhhhh. > > Just the other day I turned two non-believers to the Frank-camp [with > Teenager] so now my place in Pixies-heaven must secure! O;-) > > > The only real disappointment (IMO of course) in the FB solo catalog was the > > next album, the uninspired THE CULT OF RAY. > > I agree it is the least of Frank's albums, but it has it's moments... > > > Having said that, I will admit > > that I'm not as thrilled by the FB & the Catholics albums as a lot of other > > people were -- there's some great songs on those albums, but the first ones > > miss the instrumental textures of Eric Drew Feldman, and somehow his return > > on DOG IN THE SAND doesn't really change the equation much. There's a > > samey-ness of sound on the Catholics records; maybe it has to do with what > > Paul says about the limitations of the "live to two-track" approach, though > > there's no reason that properly *arranged* that you couldn't make a rich, > > varied sound using the same production method. > > To me it seems that with the Catholics records Frank wanted to capture the > rougher spirit of the early Pixies recordings, but of course they were much > more original, theatrical and feverish. But I still like it enormously. > I still think that with Doolittle Frank's [and Kim's] craftmanship and > originality peaked. > > Bart > http://www.bartvandamme.com > bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 16:44:51 -0000 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... Didn't anyone else, like me, find the Pixies insufferably pretentious and contrived? Not meaning to dis them particularly, just an observation... j - ----- Original Message ----- From: "bartvandamme@home" To: "wire-news" Sent: Thursday, December 20, 2001 8:23 AM Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... > >>> but to recap -- i think his first solo lp was pretty > >>> good, while his 2nd (teenager of the year) i regard as an > >>> underappreciated > >>> gem, one of the best of the '90s. > > And a BIG amen to THAT! > > >> For me, with the exception of Los Angeles, the first LP was a massive > >> disappointment. Sounded like he was trying to channel the spirit of David > >> Bowie or something. > > Bowie? Weird, I hear more Beach Boys in it! And I like it a lot! > > >> What little bits I heard from the next few albums > >> convinced me that I was better off looking elsewhere. I found the Breeders > >> axis to be more in line with my tastes. > > I can imagine people had to get used to a solo FB after 5 outstanding Pixies > albums, but as I said earlier, for me his solo stuff was still better than > lots of other related releases and his first two I rate in the same league > as the last two Pixies albums. > > >> (Although, I'll probably pick up > >> Teenager of the Year at some point.) > > Phew... your soul is safe now! > > > I've got to agree with Dan on this one: FRANK BLACK was rippingly good, > > and TEENAGER OF THE YEAR sublime. I think I had TEENAGER in the car > > rotation for over two years. Over twenty hooky songs that don't outlive > > their welcome (PINK FLAG, anyone?), insane variety of subjects and musical > > approaches, ahhhhhh. > > Just the other day I turned two non-believers to the Frank-camp [with > Teenager] so now my place in Pixies-heaven must secure! O;-) > > > The only real disappointment (IMO of course) in the FB solo catalog was the > > next album, the uninspired THE CULT OF RAY. > > I agree it is the least of Frank's albums, but it has it's moments... > > > Having said that, I will admit > > that I'm not as thrilled by the FB & the Catholics albums as a lot of other > > people were -- there's some great songs on those albums, but the first ones > > miss the instrumental textures of Eric Drew Feldman, and somehow his return > > on DOG IN THE SAND doesn't really change the equation much. There's a > > samey-ness of sound on the Catholics records; maybe it has to do with what > > Paul says about the limitations of the "live to two-track" approach, though > > there's no reason that properly *arranged* that you couldn't make a rich, > > varied sound using the same production method. > > To me it seems that with the Catholics records Frank wanted to capture the > rougher spirit of the early Pixies recordings, but of course they were much > more original, theatrical and feverish. But I still like it enormously. > I still think that with Doolittle Frank's [and Kim's] craftmanship and > originality peaked. > > Bart > http://www.bartvandamme.com > bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 09:04:48 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: RE: [idealcopy] [OT] OUR FRANK... >Didn't anyone else, like me, find the Pixies >insufferably pretentious and contrived? > >Not meaning to dis them particularly, >just an observation... Actually, this has been discussed on the list before. I could be wrong, but I seem to recall that most of the list members find the pixies quite inventive and vital. Most assuredly, there are a few list members who share your opinion - although, if we're keeping score, I'm not one of them. I think they were great - especially the Surfer Rosa/Doolittle era. That's my recollection anyway. Your mileage may vary. (^_^) By the way - did anyone ever pick up the 10" vinyl of Death to the Pixies? There are two Black Francis demos on there - unlisted. (Apparently they are on a limited "Golden Ticket" edition CD too - they were mixed in with the regular CD pressing - like Willy Wonka and The Chocolate Factory.) The demos are I'm Amazed and Broken Face. Interesting stuff. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 17:46:24 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... <20011220174625.UAYC13869.mtiwmhc26.worldnet.att.net@webmail.worldnet.att.net> Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk no moreso than wire, actually. which is to say not at all. dan > Didn't anyone else, like me, find the Pixies insufferably pretentious and > contrived? > > Not meaning to dis them particularly, just an observation... > > j ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 21:28:12 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... >Didn't anyone else, like me, find the Pixies insufferably pretentious >and >contrived? hhhhhmmmmmm..... er, no. >Not meaning to dis them particularly, just an observation... actually, think about it, not an observation, just a biased personal opinion. ;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ MSN Photos is the easiest way to share and print your photos: http://photos.msn.com/support/worldwide.aspx ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Dec 2001 19:20:58 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... In a message dated 12/20/01 11:47:11 AM, jerry@vane-recordings.com writes: >Didn't anyone else, like me, find the Pixies insufferably pretentious and > >contrived? sorta the opposite, from my perspective. well contrived in a positive sense, yes ;o) but i never saw them as coming off pretentious. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2001 00:36:13 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] HAPPY FESTIVITIES WMO (UK) is offline from lunchtime 21st December until 7th January. Can I thank all of you for your continued support throughout 2001. May it continue for 2002. Wishing you all happy and peaceful Yuletide. Onwards and upwards to 2002. Let's hope we have some exciting news! Best wishes. ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wireviews.org "dreams that money can buy" Check out Yahoo! Shopping and Yahoo! Auctions for all of your unique holiday gifts! 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