From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #383 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, December 18 2001 Volume 04 : Number 383 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #382 [Trevor Dutton ] [idealcopy] Christmas Presents [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Sifl & Olly season 1 CD available. [RLynn9@ao] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 09:57:02 -0000 From: Trevor Dutton Subject: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #382 Well, I'm with Dan on this - and I especially love the first solo - oddly enough to me it is particularly good because of all the studio work, wacky instrumentation and stuff! But what I wanted to pick up on was the Larry Norman connection - I picked up on this from Levitate Me onwards (Christian youth club scene - although some of my peers weren't so keen on some of the other tracks, Nimrod's Son for instance!) - maybe everyone else knows this too! (allmusic.com comments on it anyway) - "C'mon Pilgrim, you know he loves you" is a direct quote. Larry N, for those who have not heard him, is a NOT your typical "Christian Rocker" by any means - some of his stuff is truly freaky and it doesn't surprise me at all that Frank listens to him, in fact I reckon he based his whole singing style on him - I confess I haven't heard Frank's six sixty-six - I must! Trevor > Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:46:29 -0800 > From: "Paul Pietromonaco" > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... > > > i don't think my response to this thread ever showed up (probably > something > > to do with me having to post from my e-mail website at work, since i > wasn't > > on-line at home yet), > > That's okay - there's always time to revisit an old topic...(^_^) > > >but to recap -- i think his first solo lp was pretty > > good, while his 2nd (teenager of the year) i regard as an > underappreciated > > gem, one of the best of the '90s. > > For me, with the exception of Los Angeles, the first LP was a massive > disappointment. Sounded like he was trying to channel the > spirit of David > Bowie or something. What little bits I heard from the next few albums > convinced me that I was better off looking elsewhere. I > found the Breeders > axis to be more in line with my tastes. (Although, I'll > probably pick up > Teenager of the Year at some point.) > > >after that he went downhill, with only a > > couple of songs -- men in black &, for godssakes, a cover of old > christian > > rocker larry norman's six sixty six -- sticking in my mind > from the next > two > > or three albums. haven't gotten around to picking up the > last one, dog in > > the sand, yet, though i came across it used yesterday, so i > suppose it's > > only a matter of time. > > > > Now, all that being said, I picked up Pistolero (his second > to latest) & > Dog In The Sand. Pistolero actually grew on me. It's a > sleeper CD. Dog > In The Sand, however, didn't seem to do anything upon the first few > listens, and I haven't played it since. However, > allmusic.com seems to > rate it pretty highly, so I'll probably go back and give it a listen. > > For me, the most annoying thing about Frank's recent solo > career is his > refusal to be properly produced. He records everything live > to 2 track - I > think he's been doing this since Frank Black and The > Catholics, which was > his 4th solo album. While this does make for spontaneous > recordings, it > also discourages experimentation in the studio. I keep > hearing the germs > of great songs in his work, but his songs never seem to get > there. It's > like hearing live versions of songs before the real album comes out. > > My 2 cents, anyway. (^_^) > > Cheers, > Paul ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 10:39:40 -0500 From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot-recent purchases The newest Windy and Carl is not their best. I actually like Worst of Black Box Recorder more than Facts of Life - but "Facts ..." is a deliciously dark album. Thalia Zadek's solo is bril. So is Neil Michael Haggerty - him of Royal Trux Discovered La Dusseldorf this year - even better than Neu! Agree that the new SLab is great. Sigur Ros Certain General - Intro to War and ahem - BRMC - picks up where Spacemen 3 and J&MC didn't go _________________________________________________________________ Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 16:10:55 +0000 From: dpbailey@att.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot-recent purchases i gave worst of only the most cursory of listens when i got it ... must remedy that, having been extremely impressed last night & this morning by facts of life (esp. the title track). if i'd had it in hand last year, it almost certainly would've made my top 10. so far this year, my top album is pulp's we love you, with le tigre's feminist sweepstakes a definite contender. dan > The newest Windy and Carl is not their best. > I actually like Worst of Black Box Recorder more than Facts of Life - but > "Facts ..." is a deliciously dark album. > Thalia Zadek's solo is bril. > So is Neil Michael Haggerty - him of Royal Trux > Discovered La Dusseldorf this year - even better than Neu! > Agree that the new SLab is great. > Sigur Ros > Certain General - Intro to War > and ahem - BRMC - picks up where Spacemen 3 and J&MC didn't go > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Chat with friends online, try MSN Messenger: http://messenger.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 18:08:27 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Stuart Adamson Stuart Adamson (Big Country/Skids) has apparently been found dead in a hawaian hotel room. Suicide, apparently, related to alcohol problems. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 15:49:02 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Stuart Adamson BBC is confirming... http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/uk/scotland/newsid_1715000/1715792.stm Cheers, Paul >Stuart Adamson (Big Country/Skids) has apparently been found dead in a >hawaian hotel room. Suicide, apparently, related to alcohol problems. > >Mark *********************************************************** Brain: "Pinky, Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Brain, but can the gummy worms really live in peace with the marshmallow chips?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 18 Dec 2001 02:10:04 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Christmas Presents Well its the festive season and all is quiet on IdealCopy so I'll talk about my Christmas shopping to whoever might be reading. I find the slog of Christmas Shopping is always eased by myself a few presents that I can be sure none of my family will think of getting for me! So today I picked up: This Way to The Shivering Man - Bruce Gilbert Another tentative step into the often turbelent waters of Brucie G. (So far I have enjoyed Dome1-4, Ab Ovo and ...Fruit). In fact this is the best of all the Bruce Gilbert records I've heard so far. Part 1 of 'Do You Me? I Did' is the best thing I've heard by him and actually sounds very much like Colins Immersion music to me. Elsewhere this is excellent and obviously ahead of its time. Its just great electronic music and begs the question, why doesn't he record more stuff because he could probably wipe the floor with a lot of todays Laptop manglers. Bows - Blush One of those records I've been meaning to get for a while....three years in fact! My first experience of Mr Luke Sutherland and a pleasant suprise it is too. A very nice set of dreamy pop with very inventive chord changes and instrumentation done with some clever sampling. Kind of early 90s Andy Weatherall meets Cocteau Twins. If I have any criticism it is that it has a few sonic elements which root it in 1999....the occasional Guardian-reader-friendly Drum & Bass beat and a couple of those meandering Bjork/Portishead style vocals which were so in-vogue at the time ...its still a good record but it would have been even better three years ago. However, I like the way he works...get a really strange sample...loop it and loop it some more. Good! Phillip Jeck - Vinyl Coda Well there is very little I can say about Jeck that isn't already said by our absent friend here: http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine/jeck.htm Suffice to say that this is a wonderful record and reminds me of hearing The Orb for the first time back in 1990. One long piece of music that is full of suprises, anchored around a steady, warm pulse. And boy does it crackle. Up yours Audiophiles! Kid 606/Max Tundra/Kevin Blechdom etc - Freakbitchfly Colin Newman expressed a liking for a bootleg remix of Missy Elliots Get Yr Freak On. Here are some more un-solicited remixes by various electronic luminaries. Don't be fooled by the titles. This is no Barron Knights style "remixing" of the sort you might have heard from the tragically unfunny likes of V/VM, this is actually a homage rather than a mickey-take and as such is fine little collection of remixes...albeit not asked for by Missy or her rather stoic record label and producers. Missys 'People' probably wouldn't get it but thats their tough shit. I love this great combination of arty-farty electronica juxtaposed with Missy's heavily compressed, chart friendly R&B. And I also ordered myself a set of Brian Eno's Oblique Strategy Cards which have been released in a new 2001 edition. I've always fancied getting my hands on these, and intend to use them for the purpose they were intended! I ordered them from Rough Trade who are disorganised beyond belief, so I have no expectations that I will actually get the cards....so if they actually have some left and I get a set that will be a bonus. The intention was there! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2001 23:59:46 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Sifl & Olly season 1 CD available. In a message dated 12/12/01 6:13:15 PM Central Standard Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: > Hi everyone, > I don't know if there are any fans of Sifl & Olly on this > mailing list, but there's a CD available of the songs from first season > of Sifl & Olly as shown on American MTV. Liam Lynch and Matt Crocco > have slowly regained rights to some of their songs, and made a pretty > darn funny CD. > "FAAAAKE BLOOD....You scare me like the real thing...and if you were the real thing, you'd scare me more....FAAAAAKKKKE BLOOOOOOOD!!!! YOU ROCK ME LIKE THE REAL THING!!!"....hahhahahha!!!! SIFL AND OLLIE WAS GREAT! ...the song Weird Day is pretty cool too.....and don't forget the Gay Robot singing a cover of the Waitresses "I Know What Boys Like" complete with Vocoder voice!... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #383 *******************************