From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #382 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, December 17 2001 Volume 04 : Number 382 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] [slightly OFF TOPIC] More about A.C. Pumpkins [PaulRabjoh] Re: [idealcopy] ot-recent purchases ["dan bailey" ] Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 07:04:00 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [slightly OFF TOPIC] More about A.C. Pumpkins In a message dated 15/12/01 21:33:26 GMT Standard Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: > Hi everyone, > I just got the Smashing Pumpkins Greatest Hits DVD. And, Angela Conway > directs the first two videos - Shiva & Rhinoceros. > But, the cool part is that they have an alternate audio track with > commentary by Angela. Nothing Wire related, but I've never heard her just > *speak* before. > //////ages ago someone posted up a website link about other non-wire vids she'd worked on , but it just had one artist (it was a "world music" singer like natasha atlas or somebody of that ilk). must keep my eye out for those. wonder what she's doing these days? p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:29:19 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot-recent purchases >happy holidays to all, > >well, as the holiday funds were quickly depleted, cd's by these folks will >have to remain on the ol' wanted list: > >cabaret voltaire >durutti column >autechre >fennesz >piano magic >windy & carl >black box recorder >magnetic fields >soft machine whereas yesterday, while really hitting the local used places (markedly inferior to those back in arkansas -- no vinyl, for one thing ... the horror!) for the first time since moving here, i came away with black box recorder's facts of life (had previously gotten the worst of via cdnow). not to mention a bunch of others, including: lycia -- cold curve -- gift alan vega -- new raceion red krayola -- coconut hotel six finger satellite -- paranormalized & severe exposure the stock also included he said omala, not to mention coatings (as mentioned previously), the first letter & manscape. oddly enough, too, someone (2 different people, presumably) had dumped what must've been decent-sized collections of discs by joy electric (christian techno band) & creaming jesus (pretty much the opposite, i gather). > >and while at best buy (!) today, snatching up stereolab-sound dust and >bjork-vespertine (drooling over this one, on the headphones right now), what >jumped right off the shelf at me? goldfrapp-felt mountain! not the 2cd, but i >was so shocked to even see it at best buy i grabbed it too. best buy back home is where i picked up sound dust, too. having yet to find a decent-priced store around here (everything appears to be at mall-store levels), i'm actually starting to miss best buy here (not that i've checked circuit city's stock -- in little rock, it was several notches below best buy's) ... cdnow, here i come. or maybe atlanta. the oddest things do occassionally show up there ... it was years ago, but i remember finding the fall's cerebral caustic there for a domestic price before i even knew it existed (having been far more unaware back in my pre-online days), not to mention the 8489 b-sides collection back when it was import-only. whore showed up there as well, come to think of it. dan > >tis the season to be jolly (as long as there is beautiful music in the >world)... > >-paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 23:33:42 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... i don't think my response to this thread ever showed up (probably something to do with me having to post from my e-mail website at work, since i wasn't on-line at home yet), but to recap -- i think his first solo lp was pretty good, while his 2nd (teenager of the year) i regard as an underappreciated gem, one of the best of the '90s. after that he went downhill, with only a couple of songs -- men in black &, for godssakes, a cover of old christian rocker larry norman's six sixty six -- sticking in my mind from the next two or three albums. haven't gotten around to picking up the last one, dog in the sand, yet, though i came across it used yesterday, so i suppose it's only a matter of time. dan > >> saw some footage of frank black at last years reading festival. he's now >> shaved his head , weighs about 20 stones and was wearing a sleeveless smock >> and big baggy jeans with a 6" turn up. they showed a couple of new songs and a >> terrible version of "gouge away". i loved the pixies but this was desperately >> bad stuff. does anybody actually rate FB's solo output? p > >I have all FB's solo stuff on cd and though it's sometimes lacks the >youthfull energy and total weirdness of the Pixies, I still would rate them >as quite excellent releases. >You can hear the development from the first 2 albums, wich are rather Beach >Boyish and strangely cheerfull, to the later more bleak rock 'n roll >[sometimes even Stooges-like] recordings together with the Catholics. Both >lyrics and music show that for good ol' Frank life don't seem like quite a >box of choclates. Cheer up Frank! :-) > >I saw him performing without Pixies 2 times in Groningen - first in the >larger Oosterpoort wich was too loud and mechanical and the second time in >smaller club Vera wich was rather wonderfull! [shame I was a bit unwell from >that baaaad pizza] > >Anyway, from me nothing but praise for one of the very best songwriters and >performers ever! > >R.E.S.P.E.C.T. > >Bart >www.bartvandamme.com >bartvandamme@home.nl >========================== > >http://www.channel4.com/4music/on_air.html > >00:40 The Pixies >The Pixies continue to be a huge influence on some of the biggest artists in >the world today. Based around rare footage of their first gig in London in >1988 (much of it shown for the first time on British TV), this documentary >looks at how the US four-piece re-defined rock music in the '90s. The >programme includes interviews with the band themselves and, among others, >David Bowie, U2, Radiohead, PJ Harvey, Badly Drawn Boy and Blur. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 16 Dec 2001 13:46:29 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OUR FRANK... > i don't think my response to this thread ever showed up (probably something > to do with me having to post from my e-mail website at work, since i wasn't > on-line at home yet), That's okay - there's always time to revisit an old topic...(^_^) >but to recap -- i think his first solo lp was pretty > good, while his 2nd (teenager of the year) i regard as an underappreciated > gem, one of the best of the '90s. For me, with the exception of Los Angeles, the first LP was a massive disappointment. Sounded like he was trying to channel the spirit of David Bowie or something. What little bits I heard from the next few albums convinced me that I was better off looking elsewhere. I found the Breeders axis to be more in line with my tastes. (Although, I'll probably pick up Teenager of the Year at some point.) >after that he went downhill, with only a > couple of songs -- men in black &, for godssakes, a cover of old christian > rocker larry norman's six sixty six -- sticking in my mind from the next two > or three albums. haven't gotten around to picking up the last one, dog in > the sand, yet, though i came across it used yesterday, so i suppose it's > only a matter of time. > Now, all that being said, I picked up Pistolero (his second to latest) & Dog In The Sand. Pistolero actually grew on me. It's a sleeper CD. Dog In The Sand, however, didn't seem to do anything upon the first few listens, and I haven't played it since. However, allmusic.com seems to rate it pretty highly, so I'll probably go back and give it a listen. For me, the most annoying thing about Frank's recent solo career is his refusal to be properly produced. He records everything live to 2 track - I think he's been doing this since Frank Black and The Catholics, which was his 4th solo album. While this does make for spontaneous recordings, it also discourages experimentation in the studio. I keep hearing the germs of great songs in his work, but his songs never seem to get there. It's like hearing live versions of songs before the real album comes out. My 2 cents, anyway. (^_^) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #382 *******************************