From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #379 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, December 14 2001 Volume 04 : Number 379 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Internet talk about Wire in the 80's [Rain19c@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] outdoor monster [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] DGM NEWS Mailing #19 - DGM Mail Order and KC Level Five [Mich] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 11:55:57 EST From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Internet talk about Wire in the 80's hey, i've just noticed google has archived all the newsgroups posts since 1981 and it's interesting reading - i am assuming the only people talking were nerds, but wire and the fall do get mentioned a bunch here's one from 1987: From: Love-Hounds-request@EDDIE.MIT.EDU.UUCP (Love-Hounds-request@EDDIE.MIT.EDU.UUCP) Subject: Colin Newman, Imitation IED Newsgroups: mod.music.gaffa View: (This is the only article in this thread) | Original Format Date: 1987-02-19 11:40:35 PST Really-From: Sue Trowbridge Greg Earle mentioned that the inner sleeve of Wire's "Snakedrill" record had a complete discography. Since I haven't been able to find a copy, would somebody who has this please post the Colin Newman solo discography? I am currently in love with his "Commercial Suicide" LP. A thing of great and powerful beauty indeed. Whoever posted that little "compilation" of IED remarks, don't think that you fooled us! IED never signs his postings "IED," he signs them "Andrew Marvick," stupid. Therefore, this was obviously a counKTerfeit IED posting. Begone, offender -- once is definitely enough as far as IED's messages are concerned. I am almost tempted to try to post a Fall discography. Would you settle for LPs, EPs and 12"s only? I just cannot afford to buy up their 7"s, since they usually run about $7 - $10 each. But I have most of the rest, along with a fair amount of Marc Riley and the Creepers and everything by The Adult Net. "Bend Sinister" is even out on CD, for you high-tech Fall fanatics. "I can hear your... your heart beat" - --Sue - -------------------------------------------------------- and here's a real amusing one from 1982(!) with a review of colin's "not to" and some other new wave releases... From: mitccc!rpk (mitccc!rpk) Subject: New Music of all types Newsgroups: net.records View: Complete Thread (2 articles) | Original Format Date: 1982-12-06 23:25:11 PST Here are some more reviews. As you can see, I like to listen to new British pop most of the time, so I encourage others to also submit reviews. I would love to hear about new jazz, r&b, and classical releases. You see, I don't have all the money or time in the world to pick up all the interesting music lying around. American radio is in such bad shape in general, though here in metropolitan Boston, the scene is more open than most. So, for reviews, I tend to trust Andy Schwartz and Ken Barnes (writes the ultra-pop ``Stranger in Town'' column) of New York Rocker, Trouser Press, and Creem, which is still worth reading, an amazing feat considering they appeal to the ``rock and roll'' crowd as well as more pop/progressive people. Of course, you still have to listen to the stuff... ABC: The Lexicon Of Love (Mercury) album England's newest pop sensations are ABC, and it's not hard to hear why. The music is shamelessly catchy, lush, danceable, and romantic. Layers of instruments seem to vie for your attention as Martin Fry, vocalist, sings of the pain and pleasure of love. The result is a dizzy, if perhaps at times, overdone, mixture of venerable pop styles (when was the last time YOU heard a harpsichord break in a song with a beat as funky as the one in ``Tears Are Not Enough,'' the band's first single ?). ABC is considered to be part of the ``new pop'' in England. No more minimalism or distancing; you wear your heart on your sleeve. Although romanticism and craft in pop music are needed sorely, I doubt that lumping a few bands together (ABC, Haircut 100, Dollar) for a new movement is beneficial. Just because punk cleansed the charts in England (well, only sort of, and in America not at all) does not mean that people will not make the same mistakes in pop that they did before 1976. Yes, in particular, ABC and Haircut 100 do make pleasant music, but I really don't see anything incredibly earth-shattering about it. Pop should flow effortlessly in musical expression; if you think about it too much, it loses the ``fun'' aspect. Colin Newman: Not To (4AD) album, British import One of the most talented and original artists to come out of the New Wave (oh well, might as well use THAT label) is Mr. Newman, former leader of the group Wire, now defunct. Although not as spectacularly visible as the old line of New Wave bands (like the Jam, Pistols, Clash, etc., their contemporaries), Wire has influenced quite a few bands, who have become major influences themselves. Enough with drawing relationships! Suffice to say that the album, featuring a few ex-Wire people, consists of witty, original music. It is reminiscent of modern English art-rock, but the lyrics and sounds (especially the unbalancing effect of certain dissonances discretely employed) set the music apart from the Cure or New Order. Peter Gabriel: ``Security'' (Geffen) album The fourth issue of the Peter Gabriel magazine finds the editor even more deeply involved in African rhythms. The songs, such as, ``Rhythm Of The Heat'' and ``Lay Your Hands On Me'' probe into human mind and society. Although I can appreciate the talent and quality of this album (it IS very good), it does not grip me as much as the third album, which seemed to flow from song to song a lot more freely; I suspect this is because Mr. Gabriel is still trying to integrate the rhythms with his songwriting naturally, instead of looking at it as an external technique. Roxy Music: Avalon (EG) album Brian Ferry has finally settled down for the long haul. Gone are the strange Eno-induced synth noises, Manzanera's wild guitar swoops, and Mr. Ferry's jaded outlook. Now, Ferry croons very smoothly, the guitars are restrained (mostly because another guitarist does most of the stuff now), and Andy Mackay's reeds color the sound. It's very romantic, mellow, and smooth, though not mushy. Interesting things on the radio: - -------------------------------- Phil Collins: ``Can't Hurry Love'' An interesting synthesis: it's got the same tempo and ``top'' (string and guitar arrangement) as the Supremes' version, but the drums have that very recognisable Collins sound (they sound BIG). Really catchy -- I don't think anybody could screw up this classic song. Vanity Six: ``Nasty Girl'' Very funky stuff from three women acquaintances of Prince, so you can guess what they like to sing about. Musical Youth: ``Pass the Dutchy'' Sure, it's another British/Jamaican reggae group -- but the age range of the members is from 11 to 19 years, with an average age of 15. The song is catchy, and the dub effects and melody make it easy to listen to than most of the two-chord trance reggae that is considered hardcore. Disposable and cute, but not obnoxious. Robert P. Krajewski UUCP: ...!genradbo!mitccc!rpk ARPA: RpK@MC - -------------------------------------------------------- ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 13:57:21 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] outdoor monster In a message dated 13/12/01 01:24:10 GMT Standard Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > > and i wonder whose idea it was to hype outdoor miner > >so blatantly????? just a thought , p > > So what did they do to hype it? > ////// i think they just sent the reps round to buy up loads of copies in chart return shops (as was the general method those days i think). but if you weren't too subtle about it and they got wind of what you were doing , they'd pull the single off the charts. which was what happened to OM and hence it became the hit that never was. things could've been so different..........p ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 13 Dec 2001 17:28:36 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] DGM NEWS Mailing #19 - DGM Mail Order and KC Level Five I thought a few might be interested in this: >Finally available - King Crimson: Level Five mini album > >The Level Five tour is over, but here is a reason to be cheerful... >We know that many of you couldnbt make it to the shows, so we have >kept aside a number of limited edition Level Five mini albums >exclusively for you. Level Five offers a live taster of >King Crimsonbs sell-out summer US tour with TOOL. There are three >new tracks: Dangerous Curves, Level Five, Virtuous Circle, plus >The ConstruKction of Light, Deception of the Thrush.... and a >hidden Improv. > >Some of those lucky enough to buy Level Five at the show, thought this: > >"I love it. For those unable to attend, order as soon as they become >available." MF. I resemble those initials. ;) ... Anyway, if your interested in current Crimson order fast; they really are limited. By the way, the "mini-album" is 45 minutes long. Funny how perceptions change. Michael Flaherty PS > Orders will be accepted >beginning December 15th. > ><><> > > > >Once again a Happy Holidays to all! >The Team at DGM > >--- >End of DGM NEWS Mailing #19 > >Discipline Global Mobile >http://www.disciplineglobalmobile.com/ ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #379 *******************************