From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #368 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, December 3 2001 Volume 04 : Number 368 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] silver jubilee...... [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT - i hate hippies me (mention the Lord of the Rings just once more...) [John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - i hate hippies me (mention the Lord of the Rings just once more...) > Bart wrote :- > >So you're not into Syd either then eh? Well I must confess to owning a copy of Relics. Bought solely for the Barrett tracks. I feel like doing to the rest of the album what that librarian did to that copy of Dark Side... I really fail to see the attraction to Pink Floyd's music. It sounds so plodding, pedestrian and totally boring. From what I can work out of Floyd heads it's the ability to decode the special secret signs on the LP covers and in the lyrics that is the attraction. e.g. 'If you look closely into the pictures on the cover of Wish You Were Here you'll see other secret pictures.' My response: 'And?' or 'This one called Shine on You Crazy Diamond is really about Syd Barrett.' My response: 'You mean it's not really about diamonds sectioned under the Mental Health Act?' Not too far from the hippy bollocks interpretations of Led Zebedee's symbols (ooh! scarey), from decorating your living room with Roger Dean posters (profound!) or finding Terry Pratchet novels amusing (instead of wanting to slap him very hard around the face and/or pull his beard off). Cultural capital for sixth formers only. John Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 12:29:18 -0600 From: "Steve Loubert" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - i hate hippies me (mention the Lord of the Rings just once more...) From: John Roberts > I really fail to see the attraction to Pink Floyd's > music. It sounds so plodding, pedestrian and totally > boring. Well I've always felt that Pink Floyd's early stuff was very similar to Chairs/154 era Wire, and I like them both for the same reasons. When I listen to both, I hear cool music made by inventive musicians who can do great things with minimal technical skills. I hear catchy, compelling music made using nonmusical and even anti-musical sounds. I think they moved away from that over time. The songs got longer, with less and less of the unusual noises. By the time The Wall came out, there was nothing left of interest to me. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 20:12:56 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: gilbertharrisonmaccomics...ensemblenimbus? hi all, regarding recent topics: first, of course, very sad news about george harrison. my favorite beatle as well. say, there may be a lot of that on this list :o) i grew up a beatles fan. bought a pink & purple yellow submarine t-shirt in the smallest possible size when i was about 6 yrs old. one of the first purchases i ever made by my own decision. i wore that shirt til it fell off my body, probably a good 10 years! i was the only 8 yr old (that i knew) who knew where bangladesh was. i was gonna type a whole bunch of stuff, but i'll just say that from what i knew of him (not too much as he seemed to be a very private person), i think he was a generally kind person, very spiritual, and definitely a unique talent (something i'm not sure he recognized about himself) the likes of which is rarely seen in pop culture. re: this way, my shivering man... so what's the verdict? is the cd worth having? i could probably answer this myself...if you can't get the vinyl, the cd will do, right? i've never heard them, but i imagine they're very worthwhile. re: comics... when i was a kid i was into all the marvel comics, and a few others, as well as mad magazine. around the time teenage mutant ninja turtles took off ('84?), a friend got me interested in comics again. the one really liked at that time was mr. x. fellow macusers may recall much of the design of that comic being done on a mac, back in the ancient time of macwrite and macpaint. the other day i heard a piece of music by a group, i think they were called ensemble nimbus. what i heard sounded a bit like can, but the overall sound of the band made me think they could go either way (cool arty type or imitation artsy fartsy type). anyone know anything about them? are they worth pursuing or forgetting? - -paul c.d. n.p. since i don't really ever hear classic rock anymore (it's easily avoidable here), i've quite enjoyed a weekend of classic rock radio, obviously mostly beatles and george... and really just a few hours listening. i haven't spent the whole weekend with the radio! in the cd player: ultramarine-every man and woman is a star ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 18:02:39 -0800 (PST) From: Ari Britt Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - i hate hippies me (mention the Lord of the Rings just once more...) JohnR wrote:I really fail to see the attraction to Pink Floyd's music. It sounds so plodding, pedestrian and totally boring. From what I can work out of Floyd heads it's the ability to decode the special secret signs on the LP covers and in the lyrics that is the attraction. And of course the music,rock'n'roll minimalism. they weren't that bad(in the begining)any new approach in a genre can only be good news,it's the(as with the moody blues)y'all liked that,so here's more of the same. not that wire were immune to that! anyone 'round here like john zorn?Ari Buy the perfect holiday gifts at Yahoo! Shopping. http://shopping.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 01:17:19 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: gilbertharrisonmaccomics...ensemblenimbus? In a message dated 12/2/01 7:14:33 PM Central Standard Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > around the time teenage mutant ninja turtles > took off ('84?), a friend got me interested in comics again. the one really > liked at that time was mr. x. fellow macusers may recall much of the design > of that comic being done on a mac, back in the ancient time of macwrite and > macpaint. > AHHH! MR X !!! NOW THERE WAS A COMIC!!!! the wonderful 80's retro art deco style! The Hernandez Brothers of Love & Rockets fame did some splendid work! as well as Seth! It's really a shame that Mr. X was handled so poorly and bungled by several creators and comic companies...I have all the Mr. X comics and posters! those promo posters were incredible! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 01:20:04 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: gilbertharrisonmaccomics...ensemblenimbus? In a message dated 12/2/01 7:14:33 PM Central Standard Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: paul c.d. wrote: > in the cd player: ultramarine-every man and woman is a star > > > Thanks for reminding me of a great cd! ...I loved Ultramarine! I saw them live in Chicago opening for Orbital, Aphex Twin and Meat Beat Manifesto at the NASA event....gonna go listen to that cd right now! Did you ever hear the follow up: "United Kingdoms" ? It wasn't as good but had some Robert Wyatt vocals...check it out! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Dec 2001 01:21:04 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: gilbertharrisonmaccomics...ensemblenimbus? In a message dated 12/2/01 7:14:33 PM Central Standard Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > re: this way, my shivering man... so what's the verdict? is the cd worth > having? i could probably answer this myself...if you can't get the vinyl, > the > cd will do, right? i've never heard them, but i imagine they're very > worthwhile. > The cd is of course worth having..but if you can, find the vinyl so you can hear the great tracks we have been talking about! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Dec 2001 23:16:50 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire mention in Nov. 2001 Vanity Fair Hi everyone, Wire got a mention in the Nov. 2001 edition of Vanity Fair magazine. It's in a section called "The Rock Snob's Dictionary", and it's about as snide as you'd expect. However, Wire's entry is relatively tame: Wire. Gaunt Anglo-punks whose jerky 1977 debut, Pink Flag, crammed 22 ascetic tunes into less than 40 minutes and cemented the word "angular" in the rock-crit lexicon. The expanded vision and musicality of Wire's two subsequent albums made the band a cred-building name-drop for the decades to come. (The second-tier Britpop band Elastica was so Wire-influenced that it was legally required to hand over songwriting royalties.) True to the punk ethic, Wire disbanded in 1980, declaring itself artistically mined out, but broke the mystique by reforming six years later for an extended and inauspicious second fling. Cheers, Paul *********************************************************** Brain: "That's brilliant Pinky!!...and Larry... ...Are You Pondering What I'm Pondering?" Pinky: "I think so Larry...and Brain...but how can we get 7 dwarfs to shave their legs?" Paul Pietromonaco Test Engineer - Reflection X WRQ, Inc. E-Mail: paulp@wrq.com *********************************************************** ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #368 *******************************