From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #363 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, November 29 2001 Volume 04 : Number 363 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] PIN'K FL.......[hehe, gotcha!] [space_bandits@webtv.net] Re: [idealcopy] PIN'K FL.......[hehe, gotcha!] [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] PIN'K FL.......[hehe, gotcha!] [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT-damned spear of destiny-uh (no fall content) ["Heather] Re: [idealcopy] need Ideal Copyists mojo.. [Aaron Mandel ] Re: [idealcopy] PIN'K FL.......[hehe, gotcha!] [bartvanDamme ] Re: [idealcopy] OT-The Fall [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT-The Fall [Paul Pietromonaco ] Re: [idealcopy] OT-The Fall [Aaron Mandel ] [idealcopy] Re: OT - The Fall, Manchester Poly, Nov 80... [MarkBursa@aol.] Re: [idealcopy] OT-The Fall [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] SOD the Damned/Nico Story [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] SOD the Damned/Nico Story ["Heather ." ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:53:35 -0500 (EST) From: space_bandits@webtv.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PIN'K FL.......[hehe, gotcha!] Ok when I read people talk stupidly about the most famous album by one of the world's most rightly famous bands, I know I don't belong here!! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:58:45 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PIN'K FL.......[hehe, gotcha!] In a message dated 11/28/01 1:55:09 PM Central Standard Time, space_bandits@webtv.net writes: << Ok when I read people talk stupidly about the most famous album by one of the world's most rightly famous bands, I know I don't belong here!! >> which album? The Wall or Dark Side of the Moon?... ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:00:50 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PIN'K FL.......[hehe, gotcha!] In a message dated 11/28/01 1:55:09 PM Central Standard Time, space_bandits@webtv.net writes: << Ok when I read people talk stupidly about the most famous album by one of the world's most rightly famous bands, I know I don't belong here!! >> i hope this doesn't mean you are leaving! goodness, we haven't yet gotten over the loss of Mileta and Graeme ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:03:39 -0600 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-damned spear of destiny-uh (no fall content) No, but I can imagine that it is pretty cool. That double cd is going on my "Cd's I need to buy" list. I used to know this girl whose uncle got smacked by Grace Jones, which I though was pretty impressive, but maybe that's my occasionally warped sensibilities talking! ;) Did you see that clip on MTV, where John Norris was interviewing Grace Jones, and during commercial she slapped him on the knee and said "I can't believe I haven't f#!*ed you already!"? That wacky Grace :D Though her eccentricity is part of her genius. - -Heather > >have you ever seen the One Man Show video?...it is great!...also have you >heard the double cd compilation? There is two versions of her cover of Joy >Division's "She's Lost Control" !!!!! > >Robert _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:22:00 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] need Ideal Copyists mojo.. On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > yes, i still read comic books! laugh if you will but there are all > sorts of different types out comic books out there now wouldn't think of laughing, particularly as you're talking about a book by Peter Milligan, author of brilliant stuff like Enigma, The Human Target and Shade. i think he's better when working in a fixed-length series, but i'm still reading X-Force to see where it goes... a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:23:11 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] need Ideal Copyists mojo.. In a message dated 28/11/2001 16:43:09 GMT Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > Hey gang...keep your fingers crossed for me...I am turning in an application > to fill a two hour spot at my local public radio station Hey ! Good luck Robert.The masses need more Wire exposure ! Chris. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:31:14 -0600 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] need Ideal Copyists mojo.. How would you describe Milligan's style? His works sound really intriguing. I am still quite new to the world of comics, though I love the work of Dame Darcy, and Daniel Claus is quite good too! - -Heather >wouldn't think of laughing, particularly as you're talking about a book by >Peter Milligan, author of brilliant stuff like Enigma, The Human Target >and Shade. i think he's better when working in a fixed-length series, but >i'm still reading X-Force to see where it goes... > >a _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:39:49 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PIN'K FL.......[hehe, gotcha!] In a message dated 11/28/01 1:55:09 PM Central Standard Time, space_bandits@webtv.net writes: << Ok when I read people talk stupidly about the most famous album by one of the world's most rightly famous bands, I know I don't belong here!! >> and you do realize of course that it IS only a matter of opinion! Some of believe that certain groups were only big because of the hype of the marketing juggernauts of the 70's and that so-called all-time classics were just a product of intense cramming-it-down-the-throats- of the radio listening sheep (hehe that's a great Floyd song from Animals is it not)....and i do believe that Dark Side of The Moon would not have been anywhere as big as it was were it not for the sake of that hideous song "Money"..which was included to make sure that record sold...and of course it did because there are a lot of beer swilling rednecks who dug the lyrics and thought it was oh so rebellious and racy to say the word "bullshit" in a song...ooooohh!...as for the WALL....what an indulgent piece of poo!...probably only a side's worth of decent stuff on there..i know i know "dude, you have to listen to the WHOLE thing to understand it man!"....uh, whatever...There's so many things (even in the "classic rock" realm) i would rather waste my time listening to....speaking of indulgence, here is a list of albums i would rate much higher than The Wall as utter classics: Joy Division - Unknown Pleasures or Closer... Depeche Mode - Black Celebration Black Sabbath- Sabotage or the first album Clan of Xymox - Medusa Kraftwerk - any Can- Future Days Fennesz - Endless Summer Cocteau Twins - Victorialand Soft Cell - Non Stop Erotic Cabaret John Foxx - Metamatic Black Light District (Coil) - A Thousand Lights in Darkend Room Coil - Musick To Play in the Dark 1 & 2 Thobbing Gristle - 20 Jazz Funk Greats Seefeel - Quique The Cure - Faith Durutti Column - The Return of Autechre - Amber and Confield Aphex Twin - Ambient Works 1 & 2 David Sylvian - Secrets of the Beehive Japan - Gentlemen Take Polaroids and Tin Drum Nurse With Wound - Thunder Perfect Mind Cabaret Voltaire - Red Mecca or Micro-Phonies Eraserhead Soundtrack Bruce Gilbert - anything Graham Lewis - anything Colin Newman - anything especially Commercial Suicide Wire - ANYTHING (yes, 80's included) Killing Joke - Killing Joke and What's This For Tangerine Dream - Alpha Centauri/Zeit/Atem/Phaedra Klaus Schulze - Picture Music/Timewind/Blackdance Barry Adamson - Moss Side Story Brian Eno - anything from the 70's/early 80's especially Discreet Music Roxy Music - any especially For Your Pleasure Gary Numan - Telekon or Dance The Residents - Eskimo Tuxedomoon - Half-Mute or Holy Wars Velvet Underground - 1st album and White Light T-Rex - Electric Warrior David Bowie - Low, Heroes, Scary Monsters AR Kane - 69 Wolfgang Press - Standing Up Straight Legendary Pink Dots - Malachai Shadow Weaver 1 & 2 Boyd Rice - the Black album and Blood and Flame Fad Gadget - Fireside Favorites and Incontinent Human League - Travelogue and Reproduction Devo - Freedom of Choice Herbie Hancock - Sextant/Mwandishi/Crossings Miles Davis - On the Corner/ In a Silent Way Simple Minds - New Gold Dream Goldfrapp - Felt Mountain Portishead - Dummy and Portishead Marvin Gaye - What's Going On Iggy Pop- The Idiot The Smiths - The Queen is Dead Slowdive - Souvlakki Patti Smith - Horses The Doors - Strange Days Symptoms - 1st one and Apathy U-Ziq - Tango N Vectif and hundreds more....get the point?...it is NOT that brilliant of an album in my opinion, if i can rattle off hundreds of albums that i think are worth more of my time! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:48:24 -0600 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-damned spear of destiny-uh (no fall content) Wow, I learn something new everyday from this list :p Though I can't blame you, since she is what I like to call, an an uber-woman. I take it that you're a fan of the movie "Vamp" then? I've always had a weakness for horror films, plus it has Keith Haring involved, which is pretty strange for a b-horror film. - -Heather >>yeah! i'd like to get >smacked..hugged...punched..kicked...kissed...rubbed...fondled...tweaked...etc >etc by Grace Jones...not neccessarily in that order of course! > > <<< Did you see that clip on MTV, where John Norris was interviewing >Grace > > Jones, and during commercial she slapped him on the knee and said "I > > can't believe I haven't f#!*ed you already!"?>>>> > >hahahhaha yes i remember that! > ><<< That wacky Grace :D Though her > eccentricity is part of her genius.>>>> > >most definately! > > -Heather > >> > >Robert _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:49:53 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] need Ideal Copyists mojo.. In a message dated 11/28/01 2:22:05 PM Central Standard Time, aaron@eecs.harvard.edu writes: << wouldn't think of laughing, particularly as you're talking about a book by Peter Milligan, author of brilliant stuff like Enigma, The Human Target and Shade. i think he's better when working in a fixed-length series, but i'm still reading X-Force to see where it goes... >> actually i am still trying to fill a few gaps in my Shade collection..what a great read!..Enigma was something else as well.....What do you think of Grant Morrison? His run on Domm Patrol made it one the greatest books of all time! and probably the most surreal as well! The Men From N.O.W.H.E.R.E., Flying Robert, The Painting That Ate Paris, Mr. Nobody, Red Jack (who claimed to be Christ), and a character (loosely based on a real-life multiple personality disorder victim named Truddi Chase) who had 90-something personalites who each had a different power..as well as a radioactive ghost of an alien who made his home inside of a hermaphrodite..as well as an intelligent male gorilla who spoke english and was in love with a brain in a jar..his master's brain, who happend to be a mad scientist type..great stuff!!!!! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 14:59:44 -0600 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-damned spear of destiny-uh (no fall content) I haven't seen "Nadja" yet, though doesn't David Lynch have a small role as a mortician? A great horror film I saw just recently is Lucio Fulci's "The Beyond" which features a great soundtrack by Fabio Frizzi, whom I believe also did the music for Fulci's "Zombie". - -Heather > >well we have a ton of stuff in common! i love/collect old b-movies, horror, >sci-fi, etc...Have you ever seen Nadja?(very modern independent vampire >flick) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:14:47 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - The Fall, Manchester Poly, Nov 80... MarkBursa remembers... >Possibly my favourite moment was when someone threw a pint of beer at >himn >(Manchester Poly, November 80). He shouted "Ya fuckin' ugly twat->ah!!", >and dived into the crowd and lamped the bloke, while the band >accompanied >each blow with extra drum/guitar flourishes. i was there too Mark!! an all-dayer also featuring Orange Juice and Josef K (and The Hamsters, not the dodgy 'blues' outfit, but a gang of very funny idiots who had a song called 'Cloud Of Flies'(...have we done this one before...?)). as i recall, it was a CAN of ale that got lobbed at Smith and it hit him full on the forehead. Kay Carroll got to the offender first and twatted him, then Smith actually walked off stage-right, and went round the back and battered him... i suspect the can came from a mob of pissed young dickheads (including a lad with thick black-framed NHS glasses), who, earlier in the day, had been winding up compere Alan Pelay with the usual kind of mindless gay-baiting, to which Pelay eventually gave way with (adopt fey Manc accent) 'ooooo, come on Joe 90, i'll 'ave you anytime...' whilst 'tapping' Joe's head, very, very hard with his microphone... jesus, 21 years ago..... another Fall memory... WOMAD Festival, Mersea Island, Essex, 1985 (or 86...) Smith walks onstage... 'Hello, we are The Fall, and we are from the First World...' band then breaks into a stunning version of 'Gut Of The Quantifier'... magic, pure magic...;) ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:24:56 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-The Fall paulp wrote : >I think the Unutterable is the only one that (almost?) everyone >recommends. It just keeps gettng better and better. absolutely, played it again last night and it is one of THE great Fall albums. ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 22:25:53 +0100 From: bartvanDamme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PIN'K FL.......[hehe, gotcha!] space_bandits@webtv.net wrote: > Ok when I read people talk stupidly about the most famous album by one > of the world's most rightly famous bands, I know I don't belong here!! You want us all just to agree with each other then? They're only peronal opinions man... Cheers, Bart bartvandamme@home.nl http://www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:36:52 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - when it's cold, i feel cold... >here is a list of albums i would rate much higher than The Wall as >utter >classics: one of my lifetime ambitions is to never hear 'The Wall'... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:40:12 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] need Ideal Copyists mojo.. On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > What do you think of Grant Morrison? His run on Domm Patrol made it > one the greatest books of all time! I agree about that; love those Doom Patrol years of his. But I feel like it was a rare moment of inspiration for him... too much of his other writing is didactic and self-indulgent (bad combination) plus he's occasionally a bit of an idea thief -- read his Flex Mentallo mini back to back with Milligan's Rogan Gosh and see if you don't think half of Morrison's book came (probably unintentionally) from Milligan's. But his Doom Patrol run was better than anything most writers ever do, as far as I'm concerned, so I can't be too critical. a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:43:18 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] need Ideal Copyists mojo.. In a message dated 28/11/2001 19:48:02 GMT Standard Time, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: > )..I am proud of > > comic books..a true American artform > Robert In Britain we have "The Beano" & the true comic book hero "Dennis The Menace" Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:57:43 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] need Ideal Copyists mojo.. > In Britain we have "The Beano" & the true comic book hero "Dennis The >Menace" > Chris and Viz... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 16:58:14 -0400 From: "k erickson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] post-postmodernism Bart (d'oh!) wrote: >Giluz wrote: > >> So I don't believe that everything's equal - everything's relative. > >To me postmodernism is not so about equalizing rather than the notion that >"anything goes" wich can be liberating on the one hand and superficial on >the other. 'anything goes' sounds more like a bastardisation of postmodernism, maybe part of a broader cultural response. but if it can be liberating, why (and how) would you put it back into the box? because it could be superficial? would you use your own judgement, be it on either side of Giluz' scientific/ poetic scale, to un-liberate? and speaking of Art and Money, wouldn't it be interesting to see how they influenced each other in a truly free market, not the rhetorical 'free market' we keep hearing about? Giluz wrote: >Of course, this is not as simple as it sounds: There's more than one set of >conventions and rules, and there's more than one centre - mainstream is just >a generalisation used to define numerous musical styles. we've noted before the elasticity, or adaptability, of the mainstream. 'mainstream' really is defined more by effect than by affect, although stylistically the latter is all too often an accurate approximation. but certainly we can imagine a mainstream not defined by the current power relations? nor would it necessarily be equalising....but there could be some superficiality, or it could become too extreme for one's taste, so let's scrap it. remember Roger's lament from FINAL CUT? (Bart you won't recognise this, having stopped listening to Floyd when they 'started fooling around with halfwit politics') "should we shout, should we scream, what happened to the post-[modern] dream?" kristoph ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:27:45 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] need Ideal Copyists mojo.. In a message dated 28/11/2001 21:59:14 GMT Standard Time, iansjackson@hotmail.com writes: > and Viz I'd forgotten about VIZ.Can't have read a copy now for at least a couple of years.Thoroughly enjoyable stuff.How the BBC could do with a Roger Mellie type instead of Michael Parkinson or Jonathan Woss ! Sorry my Non British ICers. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 17:56:45 EST From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-The Fall my picks would have to be perverted by language(my favorite), unutterable, code:selfish, hex enduction, extricate, light user, and levitate...although i can never get enough Fall... >> HexEnduction, Perverted By Language, Wonderful & Frightening World of, >> Nation's Saving Grace, Bend Sinister (actually my favourite), >> Extricate, Shift-Work, Code Selfish, Light User Sybdrome, Unutterable>> (not a lot of difference, Mark). > >wow, two for Shift-Work. i thought it was awful and Code Selfish not much >better, >I actually tried to buy Code: Selfish in the 'states lately, and had a >heck of a time trying to find it. Wasn't on the major UK on-line >websites either. Finally got it through Tower Records. shift work and code selfish are both out of print worldwide i believe...i actually my copy of code:selfish at tower records too.. as for the new one, i really like it...its the complete opposite of the unutterable - no cover art, no production value, just spidery garage rock... ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:02:41 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-The Fall did the Fall ever make any forays into electronics? even remotely?..just curious Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:04:18 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] need Ideal Copyists mojo.. In a message dated 11/28/01 3:40:27 PM Central Standard Time, aaron@eecs.harvard.edu writes: > I agree about that; love those Doom Patrol years of his. But I feel like > it was a rare moment of inspiration for him... too much of his other > writing is didactic and self-indulgent (bad combination) plus he's > occasionally a bit of an idea thief -- read his Flex Mentallo mini back to > back with Milligan's Rogan Gosh and see if you don't think half of > Morrison's book came (probably unintentionally) from Milligan's. > > But his Doom Patrol run was better than anything most writers ever do, as > far as I'm concerned, so I can't be too critical. > > a > you know, i'd have to agree with that now that you mention it!...I didn't really care for his Animal Man all that much... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:13:13 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] need Ideal Copyists mojo.. In a message dated 11/28/01 3:44:58 PM Central Standard Time, CHRISWIRE@aol.com writes: > > )..I am proud of > > > comic books..a true American artform > > > > Robert > In Britain we have "The Beano" & the true comic book hero "Dennis The > Menace" > Chris > > > > I think V for Vendetta (set in Britain) by Alan Moore and David Lloyd (Brits) Is one of the best comic books EVER..I believe it was originally serialized in a British comic anthology....a great story about a man (or woman?) who sets about destroying a fascist government...He blows up Big Ben and the House of Parliament and extracts revenge on each of the people who worked at the "resettlement camp" aka concentration camp that he (or she) was imprisoned at...the revenge takes place in a variety of creative ways....kind of remiscent of Vincent Price's Dr. Phibes character in the film of the same name... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:19:51 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-The Fall >did the Fall ever make any forays into electronics? even remotely?..just >curious > I would say so. Try "A Past Gone Mad" from The Infotainment Scan and see what you think. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 18:24:01 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-The Fall In a message dated 11/28/01 5:21:09 PM Central Standard Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: > I would say so. Try "A Past Gone Mad" from The Infotainment Scan and > see what you think. > > Cheers, > Paul > > > The Infotainment Scan is the name of the album? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 15:29:16 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-The Fall >>I would say so. Try "A Past Gone Mad" from The Infotainment Scan and >>see what you think. > >The Infotainment Scan is the name of the album? > Yup. Still in print, too. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:26:41 -0500 (EST) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-The Fall On Wed, 28 Nov 2001 RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > did the Fall ever make any forays into electronics? even > remotely?..just curious almost every album since 1992 has some traces -- i think Levitate (produced by Smith himself) might be the most electronic. when i saw them on the Infotainment Scan tour, there was a young dude on stage with a Macintosh generating some kind of sound... halfway through we noticed a certain sparseness in the audio and a bomb icon on his screen! a ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:53:36 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: OT - The Fall, Manchester Poly, Nov 80... Ian, << i was there too Mark!! an all-dayer also featuring Orange Juice and Josef K << Josef K were a no-show as they were re-recording their album. I remember the Au Pairs and the Delmontes were also on the bill. >> (and The Hamsters, not the dodgy 'blues' outfit, but a gang of very funny idiots who had a song called 'Cloud Of Flies'(...have we done this one before...?)). << Yep. Also did 'I'm a cunt'... >>as i recall, it was a CAN of ale that got lobbed at Smith and it hit him full on the forehead. Kay Carroll got to the offender first and twatted him, then Smith actually walked off stage-right, and went round the back and battered him... << Different to how I remember it - the crowd all pulled back to create a 'boxing ring' for MES to lamp the bloke - he then ran off and Kay Carroll clobbered him again. It was during The North will Rise again... KC was on the mixing desk with Grant Showbiz. >>i suspect the can came from a mob of pissed young dickheads (including a lad with thick black-framed NHS glasses), who, earlier in the day, had been winding up compere Alan Pelay with the usual kind of mindless gay-baiting, to which Pelay eventually gave way with (adopt fey Manc accent) 'ooooo, come on Joe 90, i'll 'ave you anytime...' whilst 'tapping' Joe's head, very, very hard with his microphone... >> Is he/she still around? >>jesus, 21 years ago.....<< Almost to the day. It was November 1, 1980 >>another Fall memory...WOMAD Festival, Mersea Island, Essex, 1985 (or 86...) Smith walks onstage...'Hello, we are The Fall, and we are from the First World...' band then breaks into a stunning version of 'Gut Of The Quantifier'... magic, pure magic...;)<< So many good ones. North London Poly, 1982/3 or thereabouts. Gig finished. House lights on. About 50 people still hanging around. MES brings the Fall back out for a blistering Mere Pseud Mag Ed. Near-roit ensues as punters try to get back in. By the time they've managed it, they've finished!. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 21:10:30 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-The Fall << >I think the Unutterable is the only one that (almost?) everyone >recommends. It just keeps gettng better and better. absolutely, played it again last night and it is one of THE great Fall albums. >> Agreed. Apart from Stand up fucking Billy. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 02:12:24 +0000 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] SOD the Damned/Nico Story Jerry Wrote: >You lot better watch out or the >bah-humbug-eighties-pop-crap-nothing-to-do-with-Wire police will get you! Don't worry Folks. Graeme has un-subscribed. I know nothing about the Damned apart from Captain Sensible used to be a regular on Kids tv when I was young, and Rat Scabies turned up on the Frank Skinner Show as the replacement drummer in his geriatric house band 'The Skinnerettes' Spear of Destiny?!! When I was about 12 me and my mates would insist that that 'Liberator' was played at the school disco along with Blue Monday by New Order, Alice by Sisters of Mercy, New Years Day by U2 and er....Love Missile F1-11 by Sigue Sigue Sputnik. This school was in the middle of hicksville, East Yorkshire and somehow we avoided being lynched. We used to do this weird semi-goth dance which involved waving ones arms around as if directing traffic in a sort of gothic way. But hey I was 12! Heather Wrote: > I love Nico's version of "The End". I actually enjoy more than the > >Doors version. She was a true original. I trust you have read 'Songs They Never Play on the Radio' by James Young. Its a brilliantly tragic account of her last few years, where for some reason (possibly the availability of smack) she relocated to Prestwich. Funny, sad, sometimes unspeakably grim and essential reading for anyone who thinks that going on tour with a rock legend/sharing a flat with John Cooper Clarke could be in any way glamorous. - ------------------------------------------------------------------------- www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 28 Nov 2001 20:49:52 -0600 From: "Heather ." Subject: Re: [idealcopy] SOD the Damned/Nico Story Captain Sensible used to be on a kids show?! This is what I was missing from my television viewing as a child. Yes, I've read James Young book and loved it. I used to have it, but I loaned it to a friend that I've lost contact with. I know that was really silly for me, ugh! Young has a wicked sense of humour. I can still remember that scene at an American truckstop where this guy dressed up as a bunny came up to Nico and was like "I love you! I have all of your albums" That was in the book right? It's been awhile since I've read it, and no I haven't been getting into Kim Deal's pot stash ;) Another good book on Nico is Richard Witt's biography on her, which gives a really insight into all of Nico's life. "Nico:Icon" was a decent documentary about her, but I felt that it merely skimmed the surface, though I always get teared up when I see the interview with her Tante Helma. - -Heather > >I trust you have read 'Songs They Never Play on the Radio' by James Young. >Its a brilliantly tragic account of her last few years, where for some >reason (possibly the availability of smack) she relocated to Prestwich. >Funny, sad, sometimes unspeakably grim and essential reading for anyone who >thinks that going on tour with a rock legend/sharing a flat with John >Cooper Clarke could be in any way glamorous. > > >------------------------------------------------------------------------- >www.kidsindestructible.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 29 Nov 2001 00:26:51 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] EVERYBODY LOVES A HISTORY THREE COPIES LEFT! 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