From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #357 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, November 24 2001 Volume 04 : Number 357 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC-uh] The Fall in Aldershot-uh ["Paul Pietromon] Re: [idealcopy] ProBase ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] ot:in a public place ["bartvandamme@home" ] [idealcopy] Cool as Kim Deal ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] art & money [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] What if..... [MrSodium@aol.com] [idealcopy] Mike Thorne interview ["Syarzhuk Kazachenka" ] Re: [idealcopy] Whore and P'o ["Jerry" ] Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC-uh] The Fall in Aldershot-uh [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] Cool as Kim Deal ["Paul Pietromonaco" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT: Am I the youngest?/New Music ["Alyce Ornella" ] [idealcopy] Re: lost virginity to mark e smith-uh [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Wire font link! [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: lost virginity to mark e smith-uh ["stephen graziano"] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 02:01:29 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC-uh] The Fall in Aldershot-uh Hi everyone, Thanks for the positive feedback for my review. I do appreciate it! I don't want to spam the list with excessive replies to each person, so let me just say "Thanks" right here to everyone! (^_^) Mark did bring up some song titles, so I'll take the plunge and share with the list what little I know: > Got a couple of oldies - And Therein, F-oldin' money, Mr Pharmacist - but > sadly no Damo Suzuki. Then again, Aldershot didn't get two encores. Not sure > we got any, such was the disjointed nature of the gig. > Okay, here's where my knowledge of the Fall really breaks down. I kept a list of the songs played, but since I don't know the early stuff very well, (or the super new stuff, naturally) I wrote down lyric fragments if I couldn't identify the song. (And, that's sorta tough the way Mark pronounces sometimes! (^_^)) I definitely recognized these songs, though: Touch Sensitive, Mr. Pharmacist, F-oldin' Money, and the 2nd encore of I Am Damo Suzuki. (Maybe in the set because of the death of Can's guitarist?) > Played only three Unutterable sonds - Dr Buck, Cyber Insect and Two Librans > (the three best tracks on it). Most of the rest was either new album or even > newer than new album. > Any song from The Untterable, I could definitely identify: Cyber insekt, Two Librans, Sons of Temperance, & Way Round. I'll go and order the newest album tomorrow - maybe with my notes I can tell you what else was played. (^_^) > The new album (Are you are missing winner?) was on sale at the gig - a good > month before the official release date. It's a complete departure from The > Unutterable (which is superb apart from Hands up Billy, the worst Fall song > ever, bar none.) Much rawer sounding - sounds like it was made in an > afternoon - and probably the hardest-edged Fall album of all. > Does Mark sing on Hands Up Billy? From what I can tell, he just does a little bit of poetry on that track, right? Unfortunately, I couldn't pick up the new album at the gig. I was hoping they'd have it for sale there, but sadly they did not. I even brought extra money to buy Fall merchandise, but there wasn't any. One other thing to clarify: > As Fall shows go it was swell. Mark had an ocasional flutter w/ the faux > choppers but was very cool and the band was hard. Worthy experince! > Hey Paul, I thought Ch.. Sn.. were cute at least and had a sesnse of > humor(did you see the cool blue single pickup silvertone ax she used...neato. > I don't get Kinski, the band; the artist I dig I wondered about that - I heard there were some photos of Mark with really bad teeth. Makes sense now. As for Charmed Snakes, I didn't hate them or anything. I was just surprised how much they sounded like a band that really listened to The Fall! (^_^) I must admit, I didn't see them on stage - I was too busy eating Fish & Chips... (Hey - I went there straight from work - I was starving! ) Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:07:40 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ProBase > on 11/22/01 2:18 PM, bartvandamme@home at bartvandamme@home.nl wrote: > >> As I understand the targetgroup for ProTools is the more experienced >> comp.-musician. It is used in lots of professional studio's. >> What I would like to know is what music-programs there are for non-technical >> users like myself. Preferably not more than 2 buttons! Duh! > > The closest thing to what you want is SonicFoundry Acid, available only for > the PC. Rebirth is a very friendly easy to use program, but it's quite > limited to 2 drum machines and 2 oscillators. Pro-Tools & Cubase are indeed > for the more accomplished musicians/engineers - I would generalise and say > that Cubase fits the more musically inclined while Pro-Tools is built in a > more sound-engineering logic. > I would still suggest that you begin with Pro-Tools, it being such a good > program and gives you the capabilities of audio editing, audio manipulating > and mixing in one tool. Sounds like Rebirth [also Steinberg isn't it?] and/or Cubase are more my cup-a-tea. ProTools is perhaps a little too much for my needs [and capabilities]. I understand Cubase comes in VST 5.1, Score 5.1 & VST/32 5.1 Do you know what the difference is? Yesterday I got a Cubase-based cd from a friend [former guitarist from my band] all done in his bedroom. He called it "Fingerspitzen" and sounded a bit like Air meets Pavement. Not bad! >Exactly what sort of problems do you experience with Cubase? I'm not sure, I just couldn't install it and impatient as I am I threw it away. Trying to get it from Hotline again now and will ask some assistence from my local nerd here at work... > on 11/22/01 8:14 PM, Eardrumbuz@aol.com at Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > >> i know pro-tools is $$$ (like $1000, >> right?). > > Pro-Tools is a combination between Digidesign's hardware, a sound card, to > the software itself. The Digi 001, what Colin & Malka use at swim, costs > $1000 and includes the hardware, software, plus an extension with 8 inputs & > 8 outputs. A cheaper version, not including the extension but only the card > and the program, costs half as much and even less if you can get it 2nd hand > (I'm gonna buy one of those for $300-350 - a real bargain). Sounds like an ok deal to me. Is the cheaper version also easier to use? > However, Digidesign released a free version of the Pro-Tools software, > limited to only 8 tracks audio, but has almost all of the capabilities of > the hardware supported version. You can find it under Pro-Tools free in > www.digidesign.com. Download also the documentation that comes with it - > there's a very good tutorial with a demo song. > > on 11/22/01 8:27 PM, Eardrumbuz@aol.com at Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > >> imovie, which also comes with teh new macs, is a fully functional video >> editing program, with 2 tracks for overdubbing audio, easy to add effects, >> etc... > > Colin & Malka edit their videos with iMovie. > giluz Are you befriended with C&M, Giluz? You seems to know so much about them. :-) Cheers, Bart www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:41:47 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ot:in a public place > but for RobertL and the other cemetery fans... > there is a very good virtual tour of my local > victorian cemetery Abney park, North London... > don't know the precise url but search for the > 'Abney Park Trust' click on 'monuments' > and you can take the cyber tour.... > shame this thread missed halloween.... > later > A Nice one Alistair! Especially the sound-FX - scared the hell out of me! [ http://www.digitaldreamworld.co.uk/tours/abney ] Bart www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl icq: 106821124 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 03:49:27 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] all tomorrows parties april 2002 check out: http://www.wayahead.com/atp/ Wire are booked to perform. ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:20:10 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC-uh] The Fall in Aldershot-uh Pul, << Does Mark sing on Hands Up Billy? From what I can tell, he just does a little bit of poetry on that track, right? >> No, it's sung by the little punky guitarist (called Neville Wilding) who was in the band last year. They played it at the RFH, with MES holding the mike while Nev sang. MES sings right at the end. Not really poetry! Thank fuck for the Skip function on the CD player. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 07:24:20 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ProBase Bart, << >Exactly what sort of problems do you experience with Cubase? I'm not sure, I just couldn't install it and impatient as I am I threw it away. Trying to get it from Hotline again now and will ask some assistence from my local nerd here at work... >> The availability of programmes like Cubase has got me interested in making music again. But you do need a computer with lots of grunt to make it work. The biggest problem is Latency - a delay while the program, and the sound card, processes the note you hit and plays it back to you. This makes it quite difficult if you actually want to play the instruments and record them (rather than program something in MIDI, not in real time). Other than that it's straightforward but complex if you see what I mean. It's reasonably simple in principle but there are a lot of functions. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 06:00:20 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] Whore and P'o Just heard from our UK distributor (Cargo) that we are down to the last 15 copies of Whore and 29 copies of P'o. With the few of these also held at WMO UK this means that these two items are close to deletion. They will NOT be repressed. Order now to avoid disappointment. Ask for merchandise list for full ordering details. ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 15:44:30 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: [idealcopy] Cool as Kim Deal Oh boy, not only do we anxiously await the new Wire album... one of my BIG BIG LOVE's: the Breeders are about to give birth to "Title TK" - their 1st and highly-anticipated album since 1993 Last Splash. Any american fans seen them live lately? I can hardly wait.... baby! Bart www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl Live-review: http://www.morphizm.com/recommends/breederslive.html Here's a little funny note I picked up at http://www.noaloha.com Name: kelley deal Location: chicago Venue: congress Submitted: November 9, 2001 Review: This is the real Kelley, not the one who wrote that bizarre show review thing on Aug 12th. beer and peanuts?! colo(u)rs and red guitars....what? Anyway, that part about feeling small next to kim is so far from the truth. I feel big and tall and strong and proud, and I just wanted to clarify that for the people that might think that I cannot spell worth ---- and make weird analogies with rockets and feelings. So that's it, internet impersonators suck. Love, Kelley [Do we believe her fellow IC-ers, or was it the booze talking?] ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:40:36 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] art & money on 11/21/01 5:01 PM, bartvandamme@home at bartvandamme@home.nl wrote: > Giluz, > > This certainly was a nice discussion and I think that we both have sort off > made our points about the music-industry. Though I'm not agreeing with you > on all points I'm impressed with your knowledge of [neo]marxism. Have you > been studying it? I come from an artschool background myself [sometimes > having difficulties expressing exactly what I want, on an academical level, > that is] I've got a BA in Humanities and Film, which I stretched over a period of 6 years, during which I took lots of courses that I didn't finish, so I studied almost twice the amount most other first degree students do. I also have a problem in expressing my views on an academical level, especially as English is not my native language. > > As a last remark on this subject, could you explain why it is that marxisme > was so succesfull in the academic world? [besides the fact that "every" > academic was marxist in the 60's / 70's] The Academic world has its own fashion rules. I heard a few lecturers saying that if Yale wouldn't have taken such a fancy to post-modernism, it wouldn't be that successful and popular. Lots of factors contributed to it, some of which were the maturation of neo-marxist theories. But I was gonna point out that the Marxism thing is just one axis, and it has become so basic that any theory being based on Marxism can be completely contrary to another based on the same rules (constructionsm vs. deconstructionism, for example). So trying to explain any history of science theory via Marx cannot be done. There are other listmembers that I believe are much more educated and knowledgeable in this things than I am, maybe they can help. cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:51:25 EST From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] What if..... In a message dated 11/20/01 4:12:50 PM Eastern Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: << In Esse extended atonal remix >> Who could tell? ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 10:53:00 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Mike Thorne interview Sorry if someone reported it already. Pop Matters (http://www.popmatters.com/) has a bunch of articles devoted to the "punk silver jubilee". One of them is Mike Thorne's interview, where he talks a lot about Sex Pistols, Live at the Roxy album, etc. You can read it at http://www.popmatters.com/music/features/011122-25up6.html Notice this question: Q: Do you still listen to the music from the 1976-'79 period? Has what you like from that period changed over the years? MT: I still listen to the Wire albums every so often. Some people claim they never listen to the records they make but they give me real pleasure. Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 17:56:35 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ProBase on 11/23/01 1:07 PM, bartvandamme@home at bartvandamme@home.nl wrote: > Sounds like Rebirth [also Steinberg isn't it?] and/or Cubase are more my > cup-a-tea. ProTools is perhaps a little too much for my needs [and > capabilities]. I understand Cubase comes in VST 5.1, Score 5.1 & VST/32 5.1 > Do you know what the difference is? Rebirth is made by Propeelerhead, a Swedish company, whose relatively new program Reason might interest you as well. Cubase VST is the basic regular Cubase program, while Scope and VST 32 are more professional and expensive. I don't know much about Score (I suspect it's for the more 'musically' inclined, hence the name), but VST 32 works with 32 bits while the regular VST only with 24 bits. I believe that it's quite similar to what would one day be released as the Cubase VST 6.0. Cubase's audio editing and manipulationg capabilities are quite naff - it's really better suited to MIDI so keep that in mind. Also, there is some degree of user-unfriendliness in the way Cubase is designed, so be prepared for lots of complications and frustrations, but I can assure you that these usually happen anyway in that line of work, regardless of Cubase. You should also look into AudioLogic, a program that I know nothing about, but I've been told that it's much better and more user-friendly than Cubase. I'm working with Cubase and Pro-Tools mainly myself, as I think that way you can enjoy both worlds. >> Pro-Tools is a combination between Digidesign's hardware, a sound card, to >> the software itself. The Digi 001, what Colin & Malka use at swim, costs >> $1000 and includes the hardware, software, plus an extension with 8 inputs & >> 8 outputs. A cheaper version, not including the extension but only the card >> and the program, costs half as much and even less if you can get it 2nd hand >> (I'm gonna buy one of those for $300-350 - a real bargain). > > Sounds like an ok deal to me. Is the cheaper version also easier to use? The program is the same. Pro-Tools is easier to use than Cubase and its documentation is better. cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:09:45 -0000 From: "Jerry" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Whore and P'o Dear All, What style are these two in, who was involved? jerry (who's very into He Said, Duet Emmo, Colin solo but a bit scared of Bruce solo) np Follow the Locust...damn this is good - ----- Original Message ----- From: "kevin eden" To: "Ideal Copy" Sent: Friday, November 23, 2001 2:00 PM Subject: [idealcopy] Whore and P'o > Just heard from our UK distributor (Cargo) that we are > down to the last 15 copies of Whore and 29 copies of > P'o. > > With the few of these also held at WMO UK this means > that these two items are close to deletion. > They will NOT be repressed. > > Order now to avoid disappointment. > > Ask for merchandise list for full ordering details. > > ===== > kevin eden > wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk > e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com > web: www.wiremailorder.com > "dreams that money can buy" > Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. > http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 > - --- Outgoing mail is certified Virus Free. Checked by AVG anti-virus system (http://www.grisoft.com). Version: 6.0.298 / Virus Database: 161 - Release Date: 13/11/01 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 08:17:32 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC-uh] The Fall in Aldershot-uh There is a really good Fall website that keeps me up to date on all things Smith-uh-ish. http://www.visi.com/fall/news/fallnews.html You ought to send em your reviews Paul and Mark. Cheers John lost my Fall virginity, Brockwell Park, London, 1984. Yahoo! GeoCities - quick and easy web site hosting, just $8.95/month. http://geocities.yahoo.com/ps/info1 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:29:33 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC-uh] The Fall in Aldershot-uh John, << lost my Fall virginity, Brockwell Park, London, 1984. >> I was there. Bill also included (from memory) The Damned, Spear of Destiny and Strawberry Switchblade! I think Rabjohn was there too.... I lost my Fall virginity at Blackpool Norbreck Castle Nite Spot, November 79, on the tour where Totale's Turns was recorded. Mark Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:34:03 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy]Propellerhead Wire link! Giluz << Rebirth is made by Propeelerhead, a Swedish company, whose relatively new program Reason might interest you as well. >> The graphics for Propellerhead software are done by Anders Karperyd, EGL's collaborator of He Said Omala etc. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 12:43:51 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Whore and P'o Jerry, << What style are these two in, who was involved?<< P'o dates from 1981-82, about the time of Dome 3 (though it wasn't released straight away). It's Bruse and Graham, plus Angela Conway, Peter Price (drummer on dome 3) and a guy called David Tidball, who provides some manic vocals on one or two of the tracks. Very good it is too, quite a lot of it was improvised, so it sounds a lot less mannered than Duet Emmo (which came after) Whore is Wire covers, mostly quite literal. >> jerry (who's very into He Said, Duet Emmo, Colin solo but a bit scared of Bruce solo)<< You really need to hear the Dome albums! Mark np Follow the Locust...damn this is good >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:11:10 +0100 From: bartvanDamme Subject: Re: [idealcopy]Propellerhead Wire link! >>Rebirth is made by Propeelerhead, a Swedish company, whose relatively new >> program Reason might interest you as well. >> Giluz > The graphics for Propellerhead software are done by Anders Karperyd, EGL's > collaborator of He Said Omala etc. > Mark And so we're going from off- to on-topic! ;-) Just the other week I noticed in the huge font-database at work a font called IdealCopy! It has sub-names like the songtitles on the IC-album... wich was nice! I couldn't believe my eyes at first... Bart bartvandamme@home.nl www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 19:21:58 +0100 From: bartvanDamme Subject: Re: [idealcopy] ProBase Thanxalot Giluz for all the "ProBase" information. I'll go and see wich programs I can get my hands on and try wich ones work best for me! Enough to choose from now, right? Have you got some of your tunes online btw? Cheers and thnx, Bart bartvandamme@home.nl www.bartvandamme.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 11:25:24 -0800 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Cool as Kim Deal > Oh boy, not only do we anxiously await the new Wire album... one of my BIG > BIG LOVE's: the Breeders are about to give birth to "Title TK" - their 1st > and highly-anticipated album since 1993 Last Splash. Any american fans seen > them live lately? > Yes, that would be...... MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!! Oddly enough, they played the Crocodile Cafe in Seattle October 27th. And, the place was packed to capacity. Almost painfully crowded. It was a great show. The rhythm section is brand new - I think they were members of the band Fear. They were very tight. The Breeders now have an extra guitarist to help Kelley out. You sorta miss her, shall we say, amateur guitar playing a little bit. But, she's still playing most of her parts. The new guitarist was cool - between songs he played a little bit of Hellbound, and asked the audience if Kim should include this song in the set. Apparently, Kim isn't too keen on the song anymore. Of course, we all cheered for it, but Kim still wasn't sure, so we didn't get it. The interesting thing to me is that The Breeders' set list does not include any of Kelley's solo material. It does, however, contain material from Kim's "The Amps" solo project. This was sort of disappointing to me, since I had seen the Kelley Deal 6000, and thought that some of the songs were quite worthy. (She has released two complete CDs on her own label.) They may not have been as endearingly quirky as the classic Jim McPherson, Josephine Wiggs, Kim & Kelley line-up, but they were still very good. > I can hardly wait.... baby! Neither could I! (^_^) > Here's a little funny note I picked up at http://www.noaloha.com > > Name: kelley deal > Location: chicago > Venue: congress > Submitted: November 9, 2001 > Review: > > This is the real Kelley, not the one who wrote that bizarre show review > thing on Aug 12th. beer and peanuts?! colo(u)rs and red guitars....what? > Anyway, that part about feeling small next to kim is so far from the truth. > I feel big and tall and strong and proud, and I just wanted to clarify that > for the people that might think that I cannot spell worth ---- and make > weird analogies with rockets and feelings. So that's it, internet > impersonators suck. Love, Kelley > Yeah, that sounds like it might be Kelley. > [Do we believe her fellow IC-ers, or was it the booze talking?] Actually, Kelley is a recovering alcoholic and substance abuser. Unless she's changed recently, she doesn't drink anymore. She definitely didn't at the Kelley Deal 6000 show I saw. In fact, she was just so sweet. She tried to talk to everyone at the venue (Seattle's Sit & Spin club. A cafe, bar & laundromat.) before the show and announced from the stage that if she'd "missed talking to anyone, please come up and see me after the show." That, and I've seen her knitting (!) before shows sometimes. That reminds me of a funny comment she made at the Breeders gig. I can't repeat it here, but it was extremely funny at the time. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:22:15 -0600 From: "Alyce Ornella" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Am I the youngest?/New Music >So who is the youngest person on this list? I'm 28 and an >Aquarian....surely someone out there is younger? hi, I'm 21. sorry, thats all I have to sayalyce - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 16:53:55 -0600 From: "Steve Loubert" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Am I the youngest? Make that 49, at least. Steve Loubert - ----- Original Message ----- From: bartvandamme@home > I'm allright here, thnk-you-very-much... > So it seems... the list goes from 21 to, what was it... 46? 47? Not bad! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 23:22:28 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT.......... > >So who is the youngest person on this list? I'm 28 and an > >Aquarian....surely someone out there is younger? plenty of IC-ers will remember The Floaters and 'Float On'..... 'hi, my name's Ian, 39, Gemini......' ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 21:48:54 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: lost virginity to mark e smith-uh my first experience with the fall was also around 79 (perhaps early 80) at the palladium in nyc. the fall were sandwiched between the sports and headliners...the buzzcocks! what a show. from the two recent reviews, it sounds like the show hasn't changed at all, hehe. only time that was a bit different (not much, just a bit) was with brix. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 23 Nov 2001 22:18:54 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire font link! In a message dated 11/23/01 1:12:09 PM, bartvandamme@home.nl writes: >a font >called IdealCopy! It has sub-names like the songtitles on the IC-album... >wich was nice! >I couldn't believe my eyes at first... cool bart! does it look like the handwritten type on the inside of the album cover? cuz the title is pretty plain gothic bold type, and the back cover is like dot matrix computer print (which would make a pretty cool font, hehe. funny to think of dot matrix as retro) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 24 Nov 2001 00:17:00 -0500 From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: lost virginity to mark e smith-uh I was at that show too! I was going to tons of shows in those days, but got a freebie pass to that one cause I was doing a writeup on the Aussie Sports (nice guys, forgettable music) for NYRocker magazine. It seemed I got to cover the "S" bands - Shirts, Sports, Stiff Little Fingers, Squeeze ... The Fall played lots of times in NYC. I think that the did 6 shows in eight days at all different venues on one of their early appearances, - Maxwells, TR3, Hurrah, ... Quite liked them with Brix btw. - Steve. G _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #357 *******************************