From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #346 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, November 15 2001 Volume 04 : Number 346 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] KLF Burned a million quid. [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Mute and Swim availability [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] Future Music [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] Wire vs the rest [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] OT: KLF [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] Re: feather float ["r\)\(0\)\(m" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re:various threads [John Roberts ] Re: [idealcopy] Future Music [giluz ] [idealcopy] OT: Sonic Youth [Michael Flaherty ] [idealcopy] OT: Band Names [voyteck@webtv.net] [idealcopy] Outdoor Miner [voyteck@webtv.net] Re: [idealcopy] sick of it all ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] [idealcopy] End of WMO USA ["J J Noorda" ] Re: [idealcopy] Fall gigs [ns] [Paul Pietromonaco ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 04:43:44 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] KLF Burned a million quid. > I've seen bits of the video, and it shows Bill Drummond, Jimmy Cauty and > associates shovelling wads of UK sterling into a roaring fire in an old > cottage somewhere. > > There was a bit of a hoo-ha at the time with various people saying it was > immoral and they could have given the money to charity etc etc. > > The fact was it was their own money, and was a big chunk of the royalties > from their records. //// you know it always struck as quite unlikely that they burnt REAL money , i mean you'd get just as much publicity burning fake stuff and you'd be about #1M richer. just a thought.... would totally recommend bill drummond's "45" book , tells the story in much more detail. p ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 02:59:22 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Mute and Swim availability >>> Mute reissued Dome 1&2 on a single CD a few years ago on the "Grey Area" sub-label. Also Dome 3&4 on one CD. Try www.mute.com. They may have some left.<<< This appears on here a lot and some toads on eBay keep talking about so-called 'rare' Wire and related releases. Mute's policy is to keep all albums in print, unless legally they can't. A recent example of this was the repressing of a He Said release when it became OOP. CD-singles are a different matter, but most--maybe all--of those are still available at www.mute.com. All Dome/Duet Emmo is certainly still available via MO. The same more-or-less goes for Swim. As far as I'm aware, the entire album catalogue is available in some form or other at www.posteverything.com/swim. OOP releases, such as the first Lobe CD, are available as custom-order CDRs. Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 03:15:48 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Future Music >>>Well he said nice things about Symptoms, but "The Retro Sound of Colin <<< I am biased regarding Future Music as that magazine happens to really hate VMU, despite that project getting decent feedback elsewhere. However, its attitude towards the Swim Team releases simply astounds me. The main criticism that both don't hang together is... well, stupid. I guess they want 'mix' albums where everything is sitting under a 4:4 beat that rarely changes over 70 mins. (Plus I also remember some bloke from the Times that reviewed STO1 and thought it was one band before he read the sleeve. While I wouldn't go that far, I reckon Swim stuff holds itself together pretty well...) It also seems to have missed the point that this costs a fiver (i.e. a quid more than a CD single) and serves as a useful introduction to the label. If you like more than two tracks you have yourself a bargain. (And I can't imagine many people will like less than two...) >>>And as for the Gary Numan comparison....if I was Colin Newman I would threaten to sue for deformation of character.<<< Fair enough if they were talking about some of A-Z, but 'Time will allow' and 'Tsunami'?... hmmm... >>>Come on Graeme, never mind spouting off letters to The Wire ...get writing to this lot.<<< I doubt the mag'd print it. Strange to think that I write for other Future mags... Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 03:21:39 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Wire vs the rest Graeme warbled: >>All of it is excellent except He Said Take Care and It Seems which have both dated a bit really. If you like 154, A-Z is likely to impress unless you are Craig (but at least he didn't hear Shampoo or Robert Palmer in that one!).<< Did I ever tell you that 'In Esse' reminds me of S Club 7 ;-) I actually still like both 'Take Care' and 'It Seems' to a certain extent, although they both pale massively in comparison to the excellent Hox and 'Bastard' releases... Looking forward to new CN and Hox... C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 03:23:51 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] OT: KLF >>>There was a bit of a hoo-ha at the time with various people saying it was immoral and they could have given the money to charity etc etc.<<< Well, they did offer to sell it nailed to a board to the Tate for #750,000, but the Tate didn't want the bad publicity (despite the fact that they could have removed the money, made #250,000 profit and used it to buy something else). It was Bill and Jim's money, so I thought the uproar at the time (tabloid-induced) was pathetic. C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 05:48:42 -0600 From: "r\)\(0\)\(m" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: feather float tim opined: >...very much a 'lean the guitar on a chair >next to the amp and drop a feather on it' kind of sound. A little >Gilbert-esque is it not? i cannot recall bruce using a feather doesn't seem much like himm to me ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 04:27:56 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:various threads Howard asked: - --- > 5. Wire dream - staying in a bed and breakfast hotel > with my aunt, with > Wire occupying the floor below. They were charming. > John R - could you possibly describe Graham's > dressing gown in more > detail - was it one of those quilted shiny Noel > Coward jobbies? Sort of Dirk Bogarde really with Graham's head. John (In the hope that he hasn't upset the rather delicate sensibilities of anyone with an eighty dressing gowns collection) Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:35:01 -0600 From: "r\)\(0\)\(m" Subject: [idealcopy] sick of it all adios ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:04:41 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Future Music on 11/14/01 2:15 PM, Wireviews at wireviews@yahoo.com wrote: >>>> Well he said nice things about Symptoms, but "The > Retro Sound of Colin <<< > > I am biased regarding Future Music as that magazine > happens to really hate VMU, despite that project > getting decent feedback elsewhere. However, its > attitude towards the Swim Team releases simply > astounds me. The main criticism that both don't hang > together is... well, stupid. I guess they want 'mix' > albums where everything is sitting under a 4:4 beat > that rarely changes over 70 mins. (Plus I also > remember some bloke from the Times that reviewed STO1 > and thought it was one band before he read the sleeve. > While I wouldn't go that far, I reckon Swim stuff > holds itself together pretty well...) I'd say this about ST1 but not about ST2. Just played it to some friends yesterday, and they said the same. I think both them and FM are used to labels that have a far more uniform style. That's no excuse, though - FM certainly should have regarded ST2 as a sampler for a record label. As for me, I enjoy all of it, regardless of style differences. By the way, I think Colin's tracks on ST2 do have a retro feeling to them - what's wrong with that? I think the term "retro sound" is quite right. It doesn't mean that the tracks themselves are retro. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 08:50:37 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Sonic Youth >From: "Mileta Okiljevic" >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Revolutionary Sounds of Thurston Moore >btw, i think that Thusrton wasn't inovative as Lee ranaldo was.. >i have more sympathy for him, and think that he was in >shadow of TM in SY.. Love them both, but have to disagree. Lee, as TM is always quick to point out, is a better musician, but in Thurston's solo work he's shown himself to be a very strong inovator. I've seen them live numerous times and have always found TM to be the more daring of the two. >What about Geffen, Dirty & Experimetal Jet Set.. >does Butch Vig work for food & bed !?? >who paid it !! >are you mean on that garbage >youth against fascism..and similar..naahh!!! For me, their low point. >Must i repeat again that i haven't heard SYR.. Umm ... that's a bit of a problem. They contain some of their most striking material ... they shouldn't be judged w/out them. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:01:50 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Band Names On Monday June 11 2001, Tim Robinson asked OT an appeal for band names possibly for use as pseudonyms for his band. He asked for 3 new names; one for post rock type stuff, one for fluffy ambient type stuff, & one for some more difficult electronic type stuff. Since he asked for sensable ideas only, I kept the IC e-mail for a 'rainy day' (actually purging / replying to over accumulated e-mails). These links are pretty much exempt of what Tim asked for, but curious just the same: http://sam.hochberg.com/bandname.html http://www.heathenworld.com/bandname/index.html http://www.hudsonet.com/~llorenz/BandNamesArchive1.html http://www-personal.umich.edu/~mancuso/bandnames/ http://andrewband.virtualave.net/ http://users.erols.com/mkoz/new_page_7.htm http://www.theorchidpool.com/swarmingmidget Enjoy, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 10:16:00 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] Outdoor Miner Any news of how Marc Ostermeier's Outdoor Miner's project is coming along? December 1, 2001 deadline: http://www.words-on-music.com/OutdoorMiner.html Rgds, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:10:19 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] sick of it all > adios and from me !! cheers to all, it was pleasure !! sorry if i disturbed someone, it wasn' t intention at all.. i stll this one is best list around, and i want to keep it like that in mind.. mark, are you ready take a bet that LU will won championship !! mileta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 07:46:55 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Dial House Auction > > Dear Friend > > > > Following is an announcement about a fund-raising > event which we hope will > > be of interest to you. Please forward this to > anyone you know who might > also > > be interested. Apologies if you are not interested > or have received this > > more than once. > > > > Southern Records. > > > > **** The Art Auction **** > > > > This month there will be an online auction and > exhibition of art which has > > been donated in aid of the Dial House Trust, a > centre for dynamic > > cultural change. Dial House is probably best > known throughout the late > > Seventies and early Eighties as the home and base > of anarchist punk band > > CRASS. (More about Dial House later on.) > > > > Much of the work which has been donated is from > musicians and artists who > > have been inspired by the music and art created by > Crass, by the ideals > > and lifestyle which they fought for, or by the > sheer beauty of Dial House > > and the activity surrounding it. > > > > Much of the work which has been donated is from > musicians who are also > > artists. Included are many original photographs > of musicians or > > bands, and also up for grabs are many original > proofs or prints of > > artwork, fanzines, books, sculpture and more! > > > > **** WHEN? WHERE? HOW? **** > > > > The Art Auction exhibition will hang at the Horse > Hospital in central > > London from 19th to 24th November. (For details > see below) > > > > The online auction will take place on ebay.co.uk > over 10 days from 21st > > November to 1st December. > > > > All of the artwork, artist biographiies and > additional information can be > > viewed online and there will be links to the live > Ebay auctions at > > rovingeyegallery.com. > > > > **** MUSICIANS? **** > > > > Work by or featuring musicians in the auction > includes : > > > > Alternative - (original sleeve proofs) > > Annie Anxiety (Bandez) - (Annie Anxiety paintings, > original sleeve proof) > > Anthrax (original sleeve proof) > > Bikini Kill - (Pat Graham photograph) > > Bjork - (Me Companay original + unused art proofs) > > Blondie - Debbie Harry (Patrick McMullan > photograph) > > Can (Holgar Czukay) - (Joe Dilworth photograph) > > Captain Sensible (original sleeve proofs) > > Conflict (original sleeve proofs) > > Crass - Gee Vaucher (paintings, drawings) > > Crass - Steve Ignorant (puppetry) > > Crass - Eve Libertine (stained glass) > > Crass - Penny Rimbaud (drawing) > > Crass - Andy Palmer/B.A.Nana (drawing) > > Crass - (original sleeve proofs) > > Crucifix - (original photo collage from album > sleeve) > > Crucifix - Matt Borruso (photograph) > > Dead Kennedys - (original Winston Smith artwork) > > Flux Of Pink Indians - (original sleeve proofs) > > Fugazi- (Jem Cohen photograph) > > Fugazi - (Cynthia Connolly photograph) > > Fugazi - (Glen E. Friedman photographs) > > Current 93 (David Tibet drawing) > > Ida - (Ida Pearl paper collage) > > June of 44 - (Sean Meadows photograph) > > Les Savy Fav - (Harrison Haynes painting) > > MDC - (original sleeve proof) > > Mob - (original sleeve proof) > > Modest Mouse (poster signed by band) > > Nurse With Wound - Steve Stapleton (painting) > > Omega Tribe (original sleeve proof) > > Poison Girls - (Bernard Chandler illustrations) > > Iggy Pop (Jon Hall photograph) > > Rudimentary Peni (original sleeve proofs) > > Savage Pencil - (illustration) > > Secret Stars - (Jodi Buonanno sculpture + canvas) > > Siouxsie + The Banshees (rare Cathy Ward print of > sleeve art) > > Sleeping Dogs (original sleeve proof) > > Stereolab - football (signed by band) > > Tortoise - (poster signed by band) > > Unwound - (Justin Boruki photograph) > > Unwound - (Ben Clark photograph) > > Warmers - (Alec MacKaye photograph) > > > > *** FULL LIST OF CONTRIBUTING ARTISTS *** > > > > As well as all of the music-related items above, > many wonderful and > > talented artists have donated their work. Many > different disciplines are > > represented, from photography to jewelry, oil and > water painting, basket > > weaving, sculpture, skateboards, and even > performance art (yes we have a > > bed of nails!). > > > > bill allen. *alternative. annie anxiety. > *anthrax. robert appleton. > > elizabeth bailey. *honey bane. justin borucki. > matt borruso. jen budney. > > jodi buonanno. thomas campbell. marisa carnesky. > *captain sensible. > > marian carroll. bernard chandler. ben clark. eric > claridge. jem cohen. > > *conflict. cynthia connolly. lely constantinople. > *crass. *crucifix. tom > > cullinan. lee dalby. the dellers. joe dilworth. > disinformation. eric a. > > paul flack. *flux of pink indians. 404. glen e > friedman. mike galinsky. > > pat graham. ritu gorczyca. catriona guyler. sean > greene. jeremiah > > greene. rebecca hale. jon hall. brandon harman. > harrison haynes. maya > > hayuk. nicole heinzel. steve ignorant. rich > jacobs. ben jenkins. > > scott johnson. dave king. joe lewis. eve > libertine. sue loder. amanda > > marsalis. andy mcgeeney. alec mckaye. patrick > mcmullan/the jackie > > factory. *mdc. sean meadows. me company. *the > mob. modest mouse. gail > > o'hara. *omega tribe. robert pacitti. andy > palmer. andrew paynter. ida > > pearle. max reeves. penny rimbaud. *rudimentary > peni. savage pencil. > > robin shaw. *sleeping dogs. winston smith. petra > spielhagen. katie > > standage. melanie standage. steve stapleton. > warwick sweeney. david > > tibet. tortoise. antonia tricarico gee vaucher. > pandora vaughan. > > joanna virello. v vale-RE/search. lu vukovic. > cathy ward. bill west. > > kevin willis. colleen wolstenholme. eric wright. > john yates. > > > > * denotes band artwork > > > > **** ABOUT DIAL HOUSE **** > > > > For over thirty years, DIAL HOUSE, a large > rambling cottage set in the > > middle of the Essex countryside, has stood as a > symbol of opposition to > > the all-pervading dictates of commercialism. > Throughout that time, the > > cottage has operated as a cultural community > centre with interests ranging > > from organic gardening to free-form jazz, from > herbal remedies to direct > > action on the street. Of its more public > emanations, DIAL HOUSE is > > respected for having been the birthplace of ICES > 72, the UK's biggest ever > > avant-garde festival; of the legendary Stonehenge > Free Festivals, which, > > until they were finally and violently crushed > under the boot of > > Thatcherism, for over a decade offered the > fun-loving public a chance to > > paint rainbows in the face of sobriety; and of > CRASS, the anarchist punk > > band who may have failed in their ambitious bid to > change the world, but > > succeeded in changing the minds of a generation. > > > > In 2001 the remaining residents of Dial House > (former members of Crass) > > ended a long and hard-fought eviction battle with > their landlords with > direct > > action : they begged + borrowed enough money to > successfully purchase Dial > > House at a public auction. They now intend to > open up Dial House as a > > Centre For Dynamic Cultural Change. This auction > will help to make this > > happen > > > > Find out more at : > > www.southern.net/southern/band/CRASS/ > > > > **** THANKS **** > > > > To everyone who has contributed artwork or work > hours to make The Art > > Auction a reality. And thanks to YOU for reading. > > > > end. > > > ************************************************************************ > > This e-mail is confidential and intended solely for > the use of > the individual(s) to whom it is addressed. Any > views or opinions > presented are solely > > > - -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at > http://explorer.msn.com Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:38:06 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: KLF In a message dated 11/14/01 5:28:10 AM Central Standard Time, wireviews@yahoo.com writes: << Well, they did offer to sell it nailed to a board to the Tate for #750,000, but the Tate didn't want the bad publicity (despite the fact that they could have removed the money, made #250,000 profit and used it to buy something else). >> sorry , but what/who is "the Tate" ?? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:55:37 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Wire vs the rest In a message dated 11/14/01 5:24:53 AM Central Standard Time, wireviews@yahoo.com writes: << Looking forward to new CN and Hox... >> a new Hox is on the way???? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:30:48 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] more topic potpourri [no Wire content] In a message dated 11/13/01 8:50:58 PM Central Standard Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: << Judging Autechre on 'Confield' would be like judging Wire on 'The First Letter'. Its a cool album but it doesn't work so well unless you know where it came from. >> very well put Tim..i agree with that...the casual listener who doesn't have the desire to own most of the Autechre releases might be put off by this or not get it....but it really does work like that in this case.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 11:22:57 -0600 (CST) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: Re: [idealcopy] a bell is a cup until it is struck IMHO, below in the original message contains great info in metaphors (which any of you creating music can use), Piero Scaruffi's excellent links (except for Andrew's qwerty Wire page; still inoperative), RS Wire fans, and the quite controversal taboo link (for tunnel visionaries). Just trying to stir topics up ... metaphoric taboos anyone? Rgds, voyteck Received: from smtpin-101-8.bryant.webtv.net (209.240.198.42) by storefull-132.iap.bryant.webtv.net with WTV-SMTP; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:08:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by smtpin-101-8.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) id 24BEA3A; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:08:18 -0700 (PDT) Delivered-To: voyteck@webtv.net Received: from smoe.org (jane.smoe.org [66.89.201.78]) by smtpin-101-8.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix+sws) with ESMTP id 7603D187; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:08:16 -0700 (PDT) Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f9E58Av1008436; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:08:10 -0400 (EDT) Received: from localhost (daemon@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) with SMTP id f9E588Yp008434; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:08:08 -0400 (EDT) Received: by smoe.org (bulk_mailer v1.10); Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:07:56 -0400 Received: from smoe.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f9E57sv1008393 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:07:54 -0400 (EDT) Received: (from majordom@localhost) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16/submit) id f9E57r8T008391 for idealcopy-outgoing; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:07:53 -0400 (EDT) Received: from mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.119]) by smoe.org (8.12.0.Beta16/8.12.0.Beta16) with ESMTP id f9E57mv1008385 for ; Sun, 14 Oct 2001 01:07:49 -0400 (EDT) Received: from storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net (storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net [209.240.198.147]) by mailsorter-105-1.iap.bryant.webtv.net (WebTV_Postfix) with ESMTP id 9DC3D4D1 for ; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:07:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: (from production@localhost) by storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net (8.8.8-wtv-f/mt.gso.26Feb98) id WAA29096; Sat, 13 Oct 2001 22:07:46 -0700 (PDT) From: voyteck@webtv.net X-WebTV-Signature: 1 ETAsAhQuaqHX3FfNYw9JkgY+12YMtdtFvAIUHl/Shl+IaqYRbg7BRCN+6Y+mPx4= Date: Sun, 14 Oct 2001 00:07:45 -0500 (CDT) To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: [idealcopy] a bell is a cup until it is struck Message-ID: <26758-3BC91DA1-2943@storefull-138.iap.bryant.webtv.net> Content-Disposition: Inline Content-Type: Text/Plain; Charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit MIME-Version: 1.0 (WebTV) Sender: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org Precedence: bulk (kidney)BINGO(s)!!! Here's a link derived from recent replys which helps explain the theory behind the title abiacuiis (probably close to what's behind Bruce's summary of a Zen story [?] in naming '..bell is a cup..'), of Rene Magritte's 'this pipe is not here' painting, and even see into kidney bingos a little clearer: http://www.lissack.com/writings/warsaw1.htm Feeling enlightened by the read, I went on to Wire linking to find Piero Scaruffi's Wire page ( http://www.scaruffi.com/vol4/wire.html ). He's asking for a translation from Italian to English text, which at first I thought was just this Wire page. Piero's looking for help translating Italian text 'history of rock music' to English text! Anyone interested click on link to see if his pay justifies the effort. Aside from the Wire web page being inoperative (Andrews), his links to other sites is commendable! Trouser press was listed and inoperative; Trouser press hasn't worked in long time. Anyone know what's become of them? Have a smile reading these Wire boards: http://www.rollingstone.com/boards/messages.asp?lngTabID=1&tid=10708&oid=404&cf=404&seq=0&bc=0 Finally, regarding 1 2 taboo: http://www.lrainc.com/swtaboo has extensive insight, possibly some comfort. rgds, voyteck ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 12:02:27 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: top ten; sonic youth; solo wire >From: kevin eden >Subject: [idealcopy] 2001 top 10 >How about an end of year fave top 10. The rules are >that they must be records/cd's released/bought OR >discovered in 2001, therefore allowing any 'old' >records a chance to shine. Sounds like a good idea. >The cut off point will be 3rd December, so we've all >got two weeks to think about it. Why? >From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= >Subject: [idealcopy] Revolutionary Sounds of Thurston Moore >As usual Giluz spoke sense >>>>>I'm not saying that it's an axiom - Big Money >Ruins Good Music - I'm just saying that it's much >harder to do, and for this you really need a very >particular kind of talent. > >Sonic Youth prove this. Find me one other band as well >known as them who've forged such an interesting, if >erratic, path. Exactly. The SYR releases in particular are all >excellent except the Kim Gordon / Ikue Mori thing >which I can't comment on because I haven't heard it >because I don't care for Kim's vocals latterly. I'm >sure Ikue Mori's contribution is outstanding as ever >though. Yes, it is. ... There are moments when Kim's vocals get a bit annoying on SYR 5, but overall she's pretty restrained (comparatively). It was among my 2 or 3 favorites of 2000. >>Solo Wire stuff? > >All of it is excellent except He Said Take Care and It >Seems which have both dated a bit really. If you like >154, A-Z is likely to impress unless you are Craig >(but at least he didn't hear Shampoo or Robert Palmer >in that one!). Dome, Ab Ovo, The Shivering Man, Music >for Fruit and Low Impact & Oscillating are unique & >utterly essential & Lewis has really been in a roll >recently with the brilliant Ocsid & Hox, which are >easily his best albums minus Gilbert. As is often the case, our musical tastes match here. By the way, my theory is that Graham is concentrating his creativity more on his solo work than he had in the past when he was always involved w/ Wire and/or Dome-related things at the same time. Or not. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 20:34:24 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] What is your favourite tea? >So Sick & Tired on a Diet of Too Much? Graham sings nearly all of HALO but the weakest track is the alternate take sung by Freddie Wadling which only appears on the US issue. Also on this are the LFO remixes which are wonderful & rather Swim like. So Sick & Tired is a great track worthy of the mighty Dome, & no surprise that Bruce contributes some guitar to it, but Graham's 'madman' vox are what really makes it. I love it when Lewis goes mental! Quite reasonably Bart asked >>>BTW, how come there's so much traffic lately? Jeeeez... it's getting to become a dayjob now... :-) If you ignore Mileta's relentlessly irrelevent streams & rumour spreading (has he ever said anything interesting about Wire?) you'll probably cut your workload by two thirds! Michael had a valid opinion >>>>I took a Lacan seminar in grad school. I feel the same way about him as I do Freud: not much of a scientist, but a brilliant creative writer. Freud is partially responsible for a lot of problems in the Western world I feel. Imagine the basis of psychology being espoused by a coke fiend analysing the sexual repression of Victorian women. No wonder our cheating 'leaders' still need crusades to get themselves hard. Timothy opined on the excellent Main >>>>I've got Main Motion Pool. Prefer the early stuff but its quite interesting...very much a 'lean the guitar on a chair next to the amp and drop a feather on it' kind of sound. A little Gilbert-esque is it not? Wire were a big influence on Robert Hampson, and he made ORR with Bruce Gilbert & covered 'Used To' on 'Whore'. He's recently put out a collaboration with Antenna Farm & on Monday someone told me he'd done another one with someone else but I've forgotten the details. << to peaceful revolution of the kind pulled off by Ghandi against the rotten British Empire & 'Large Black Slug' Victoria? >> Mark wasn't asleep during history lessons >>>>I think you'll find QV was long dead before Ghandi's struggle began, though I get yr point. But her spirit lingered on & regrettably still lingers on & the 'large black slug' resides in Piccadilly Manchester as observed by Mark Smith in 'City Hobgoblins'. My point was that she was the figurehead under which the British crapped on & traumatised half the world with their insidious racist empire building. Ghandi did some sterling work in reversing this odious trend. Actually Piccadilly Gdns is being 'modernised (ie. partly sold off for office blocks) so the large black slug might at last be slithering out of Manchester in pieces & in parts. What did you have for dinner today, Mr Gladstone? Hats Off! Graeme np Ocsid - Detect ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:03:01 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Krupps; folk rock While listening to "The Tyranny of the beat" (a cool Mute compilation that contains tracks from Wire and a Dome) I noticed how the Krupps' track ("Wahre Arbeit, Wahrer Lohn) reminded me of Suicide. I am only familiar with late (1990s) Krupps' output (more heavy metal'ish), which didn't do much for me. Is this what they used to sound in 80s? What would be the good Krupps album to check out? As far as folk rock goes - I downloaded Thalia Zedek's (recommended by Graeme) "1926" from Matador web site and it did absolute nothing for me. Tried a bunch of tracks by Red House Painters - seems like all of them are waaaaay too long. "Katy's Song" is Ok, though, and guitar parts on some songs resembled Cure circa "Wish", but still didn't make me want to go and explore further. Getting back on topic: What's your favorite song on "D&E"? Mine is "Piano Tuner" :) Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:19:36 -0500 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Love and Pride/Shiny Docs/Jacques Lacan >/////well i saw slade at a place i used to work. i wouldn't diss them , >they did what they did pretty well. oasis mk 1? And Oasis covered their "Cum on Bring the Noize" Syarzhuk Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 17:28:37 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Future Music In a message dated 14/11/01 11:18:40 GMT Standard Time, wireviews@yahoo.com writes: > , I reckon Swim stuff > holds itself together pretty well...) > > It also seems to have missed the point that this costs > a fiver (i.e. a quid more than a CD single) and serves > as a useful introduction to the label. If you like > more than two tracks you have yourself a bargain Absolutely spot on.After all the sampler is supposed to give the listener a flavour of the label.To me the CD costing a fiver is an added bonus.It was never a major incentive to buy it.I wonder how much of a wider audience Swim achieved for it's bands sales from a low cost compilation ? chris ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 16:53:08 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] Fall gigs [ns] Anyone going to the Fall's mini-tour of the U.S. (L.A. tonight and tomorrow, SF on the 19th, Seattle on the 20th, NYC 23rd-25th)? I'd be eager to hear if Mark E. Smith refrains from assaulting his bandmates onstage, much less if they turn in a decent show... later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 15 Nov 2001 00:29:14 +0100 From: "J J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] End of WMO USA First thanks to Kevin Eden for explainig the WMO situation. Best wishes to Charles Snider, Is the end of WMO US also the end of thousand records? Have not read all messages yet, indeed a lot of traffic on our ideal copy site. Like the idea from Kevin to make a kind of 2001 list of recordings in general who struck me last year. and HALO At the moment I heard the HALO records for the first I was surprised how Graham managed to create something I was hooked on. In a kind of soundscape I could not compare with others, maybe Adi Newton's Clock DVA in the last days But more emotionally singing. Words chosen that kind you want to listen to it. Maybe not understanding for the first time, but it tells. Mesmerised to it. Yes I like the output of Graham. I always say to friends of mine about Wire and their individual output. Maybe it sounds common, humourous, strange or cool. But there is always a tension underneath. And if you can see or hear these things in your surrounding the music grows. If you take time to listen you can't ignore. And then I think how is it possible they managed it again to hook me again. And why? Because we must ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 15:56:21 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Fall gigs [ns] >Anyone going to the Fall's mini-tour of the U.S. (L.A. tonight and >tomorrow, SF on the 19th, Seattle on the 20th, NYC 23rd-25th)? I'd be >eager to hear if Mark E. Smith refrains from assaulting his bandmates >onstage, much less if they turn in a decent show... > Yessss, that would be.... MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! (^_^) Cheers, Paul P.S. I'll be at the Seattle show. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #346 *******************************