From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #344 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, November 13 2001 Volume 04 : Number 344 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] 2001 top 10 [kevin eden ] Re: [idealcopy] In Dreams [John Roberts ] [idealcopy] Re:various threads [Howard Spencer ] [idealcopy] Re: sprung ["r\)\(0\)\(m" ] [idealcopy] Re: sprung ["r\)\(0\)\(m" ] Re: [idealcopy] Make things clear [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re:various threads ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] AW: [idealcopy] some bargains i picked up but have not listened t o [Woer] Re: [idealcopy] In Dreams ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] FAO Lisa, new subscriber [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Dance Me to the End of 2001 [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re: Lacan [Michael Flaherty ] [none] [timothy.j.robinson@btinternet.com] Re: [idealcopy] now playing... ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] HALO [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] In Dreams [giluz ] [idealcopy] colin solo/recommendations for Lisa... ["ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] 2001 top 10 OK here's something for you all to get your teeth into. How about an end of year fave top 10. The rules are that they must be records/cd's released/bought OR discovered in 2001, therefore allowing any 'old' records a chance to shine. So get yer thinking caps on. Don't worry about listing in fave order. The cut off point will be 3rd December, so we've all got two weeks to think about it. Eyes down! ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 03:39:26 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] In Dreams I think that these dreams are all due to the anxiety caused by the shelving of the Albini sessions myself. Can someone forward these mails to the band in the hope that it will get them to pull their fingers out with the new album? John Psychologically traumatized Wire fan. - --- Ian B wrote: > From: John Roberts > To: IdealCopy > > > Here's a new thread for you. How many people have > > ever had a dream about a member or members of > Wire? > > I had one the other night - I think it's a > consequence of my tendency to > wade through the IC list late on. > In brief I was at a Wire gig, in a very small venue, > all seated, but in a > 'village hall meeting' kind of way. The music was > odd and very minimal, > Robert providing high pitched 'ooooo' vocal effects > in short repetitious > bursts. Eventually Bruce left the stage and sat > close by to where I was to > watch the other three. He was delighted with what > he heard and turned to > those of us nearby and declared "the only valid > response to that would be 95 > with just as many syllables." I was disappointed > that I had no idea what he > meant. However somebody close by took him up into a > discussion and the two > of them moved off to a quieter spot to continue, > Bruce's new friend > sporting a blue t-shirt with sweat showing copiously > on the back. I decided > that he must be somebody from the list. Then, > turning round to look at the > small crowd, it occured to me that everyone at the > gig was from the list, > and I became concerned lest this was the extent of > the Wire fan base. > > Incidentally, back in the real world, that other > Colin Newman made it into a > list of 'very rich people' in the Sunday Times last > week. And in the same > edition, an advert for an oven or something with the > slogan 'Ikon/I Can'. > Commission payments for Lewis hopefully. Find the one for you at Yahoo! Personals http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:41:18 +0000 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re:various threads Whoo, heavy traffic. 1. If Graham L dosen't do all the *lead* vocals on HALO, I'm a tangerine. 2. Colin has always been sensitive about Newman/Numan confusions - did he not refuse to release one of the sung tracks off A-Z as a single because of Numam soundalike paranoia? Although anyone with ears would understand that fear to be unreasonable, he was still right to be concerned, given the laziness of journalists like that Future music hack. 3. OMD were surely desperate to be Kraftwerk on the first album but relative technical incapacity and incompetency meant that they actually produced something a lot more raw - which still works for me, though I have a sentimental attachment to that album as it was the first `alternative' record (unless you count Parallel Lines). 4. Attrition - am getting a recovered memory of two blokes, one woman, sort of weekend-goth looking, posing in a graveyard for a publicity shot. Is this them? 5. Wire dream - staying in a bed and breakfast hotel with my aunt, with Wire occupying the floor below. They were charming. John R - could you possibly describe Graham's dressing gown in more detail - was it one of those quilted shiny Noel Coward jobbies? 6. Limp Bizkit's performance of faith on TOTP was indeed one of the worst things ever seen/heard on telly. As well as sounding shit, they are not exactly eye candy, are they? 7. Swim sampler is very good - find myself starting to get the point of Silo, which I had thought was lost to me. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 05:51:34 -0600 From: "r\)\(0\)\(m" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: sprung bart inquired > Springer was also released as a single?... then filled in the wonderful spoken-word piece from We Are Time david replied: i do not think that was released as a single i was confused in thinking mark springer was part of the pop group but my query about the album (correctly) identified was answered thanks o're and out ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 05:51:34 -0600 From: "r\)\(0\)\(m" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: sprung bart inquired > Springer was also released as a single?... then filled in the wonderful spoken-word piece from We Are Time david replied: i do not think that was released as a single i was confused in thinking mark springer was part of the pop group but my query about the album (correctly) identified was answered thanks o're and out ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 07:42:19 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Make things clear Francis, << 3) The Strokes doesn't sound like the Velvet but more like Television >> The strokes sound absolutely nothing like television. They sound like Blondie fronted by Doug Yule. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:16:41 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:various threads > 3. OMD were surely desperate to be Kraftwerk on the first album but > relative technical incapacity and incompetency meant that they actually > produced something a lot more raw - which still works for me, though I > have a sentimental attachment to that album as it was the first > `alternative' record (unless you count Parallel Lines). better Kraftwerk than ... btw, get new russion mp from www.cdboom.com it's Kraftwerk CD1 1970-1983 and include Tone Float, Kraftwerk 1 & 2, Ralf & Florian, Kohoutek-Kometenmelodie SP , Autobahn, Radio-Activity, Trans Europe Express ( english & german version ), Trans Europe Express EP, Showroom Dummies EP, Die Mensch Maschine & Man Machine, Computer Welt & Computer World, Mini Calculateuer & Tour De France.. plus video of Robots ! > > 4. Attrition - am getting a recovered memory of two blokes, one woman, > sort of weekend-goth looking, posing in a graveyard for a publicity > shot. Is this them? yes, yes...you are completely in right !! only different is that they are now as i saw . whole weekend goth looking. but i like music... > 6. Limp Bizkit's performance of faith on TOTP was indeed one of the > worst things ever seen/heard on telly. As well as sounding shit, they > are not exactly eye candy, are they? obviously, you haven' t heard their rendition of Led Zeppelin " Thank You" with Jimmy Page on MTV Euro-Awards.. hmm, i wonder often about that Red Hot Chilli Peppers rendition of Clash's " London Calling " and Banshees " Christine ".. mileta> ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:19:39 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Make things clear > Francis, > > << 3) The Strokes doesn't sound like the Velvet but more like Television >> > > The strokes sound absolutely nothing like television. They sound like Blondie > fronted by Doug Yule. i disagree.. they sound like Generation X fronted with Tom Robinson or it was Eddies and the Hot Rods fronted with Debbie Harry , cannot remember !! or Dr. Feel good if they were Man. Utd fans and was forced to make a record after all " succeses" in last few weeks !! i dunno what fuss is all about !! didn' t we have similar things with new wave of new wave, and what happened.. these animal man etc, etc.. i will pay more attention to Hive.. heard just Main Offeneder but it is better and more " authentic " than Strokes.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:26:31 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: FW: [idealcopy] In Dreams John [psychologically traumatized Wire fan] wrote: > Can someone forward these mails to the band in the > hope that it will get them to pull their fingers out > with the new album? I've frequently wondered about if bandmembers were interested in what goes on around this list. Anyone has a clue? Wouldn't it be fun if they would appear in it every once in a while. [and perhaps they do - using a nick] BTW, how come there's so much traffic lately? Jeeeez... it's getting to become a dayjob now... :-) Cheers, Bart www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl icq: 106821124 ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:30:03 +0100 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] some bargains i picked up but have not listened t o >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: RLynn9@aol.com [mailto:RLynn9@aol.com] >Gesendet: Dienstag, 13. November 2001 08:08 >An: timrobinson@cwcom.net; idealcopy@smoe.org >Betreff: [idealcopy] some bargains i picked up but have not listened to > > >well, i went back down to my local shop that was having the >vinyl blow out >and here's a list of the 50 cent purchases that i made..please >share your >opinions with me: Well done ! >Stan Ridgway - The Big Heat I have a wall of voodoo album somewhere at home, haven't listened to it for 10 years and only remember "ring of fire" at the moment. >The Teardrop Explodes - You Disappear from View ep >" " " " - Wilder >Julian Cope - World Shut Your Mouth the lunatic Julian ... wasn't he photographed sitting under a turtle shell? the wsym album I do have but it is weak. the teardrop exploded very often on my player ... ;-)) >Yellow Magic Orchestra - s/t I love the collaboration of riuichi sakamoto and david sylvain. bamboo houses and forbidden colours are my all time favorites. >not to mention a few odds and ends singles by Flock of >Seagulls, KLF, Martha >and the Muffins, The Flying Lizards, The Alarm, and the Dream >Syndicate... the KLF ... didn't they burn real money ? Martha and the Muffins ... nice eigthies pop ... echo beach the flying lizards ... I've sold this album a long time ago. regards, FrankfromBavaria just got superhighways from ebay ... yippieee !!! > >Robert (with flame proof invisible shield fully activated) Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:42:25 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] In Dreams > I've frequently wondered about if bandmembers were interested in what goes > on around this list. Anyone has a clue? Wouldn't it be fun if they would > appear in it every once in a while. [and perhaps they do - using a nick] I am on Lycia list and Tara Van Flower from band is one of member of the list , and he contribute regular as other ones.. She even pointed finger and gave us links for many things connected to bands and off-shots.. They aborted " Empty Spaces " session due to Mike's illness, but in speaking with her all of us shown interest that ES should not be only available as mp3 downloading ( band put it in complete on mp3.com ) then in some stage to be out in sort of EP or more. Latest news is that Mike finish remix of all other songs and that ES will be out. We never discuss is members of list had any credits for that ( i think yes !!) we are just happy that will be in some time offer to us..!! I think that is good correspodence between bands and people into bands ( i hate word fan..it reminds me of new DM, New Order or similar people who just scratch surface of bands, etc..) I am sure that some of Wire sometime take a look or two to see what happens amongst people on IC. So, Robert maybe you will became insomniac when new Wire will be out, not because of possible nightmares, but cuz you will became obsessed with new one ( as all of us, i hope !! ) cheers to all !! mileta ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:38:14 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FAO Lisa, new subscriber Bart, << Dome 1 must be my fav album outside wire... shame I only got it on vinyl. Anybody know if there's a Dome 1 & 2 cd-box availlable? >> Mute reissued Dome 1&2 on a single CD a few years ago on the "Grey Area" s*b-label. Also Dome 3&4 on one CD. Try www.mute.com. They may have some left. Otherwise try Gemm or Netsounds. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 12:00:07 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dance Me to the End of 2001 In a message dated 11/12/01 12:19:26 PM Central Standard Time, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: << Album of the year 2001? 'Been Here and Gone' by Thalia Zedek on Matador records. In a world full of faux ass cheese masquerading as high emotion it is wonderful to hear such a genuinely emotive and powerful collection of songs as this. Every chord change sends shivers. I sobbed uncontrollably for the whole of 'Back to School' such was its intense emotional impact and I was in a very good mood, although I had earlier imbibed about 5 pints of 4+% bitters. Stayed up all night listening over & over. While I'm at it you might as well know that you will also need to hear the 4 Come albums, the last 3 Live Skull albums & the Uzi album if you haven't already before your musical sorrowful joy can be considered anything like close to perfect. Start with 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' by Come. Thalia is a songwriting genius who has stayed at my old house. >> Thanks for the advice on this one Graeme!!! This TRULY is a wonderful recording!...I'm sure to be playing this often with the cold winter ahead... Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 11:23:40 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Lacan >From: giluz >Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Jacques Lacan >So I think there's nothing better to scare students with than Lacan. I can >testify for myself that I was absoultely horrifed. A meeting with "The Real". :) I took a Lacan seminar in grad school. I feel the same way about him as I do Freud: not much of a scientist, but a brilliant creative writer. Michael Flaherty np: Scala Slide ep (Bruce Gilbert remix) ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:55:48 +0000 (GMT) From: timothy.j.robinson@btinternet.com Subject: [none] I had the Cope album but I've not listened to it for about 12 years. I liked it when I was a kid. Just good pop record I recall. I've got Main Motion Pool. Prefer the early stuff but its quite interesting...very much a 'lean the guitar on a chair next to the amp and drop a feather on it' kind of sound. A little Gilbert-esque is it not? > well, i went back down to my local shop that was having the vinyl blow out > and here's a list of the 50 cent purchases that i made..please share your > opinions with me: > > Stan Ridgway - The Big Heat > " " " " - Mosquitos > Red Lorry Yellow Lorry - Paint Your Wagon > " " " " - Blow > Echo & the Bunny Men - s/t > " " " " " " -5 track ep includes the cutter > The Teardrop Explodes - You Disappear from View ep > " " " " - Wilder > Julian Cope - World Shut Your Mouth > Yellow Magic Orchestra - s/t > " " " " - The Service > Main - Motion Pool (triple vinyl) > Blaine L. Reininger and Alain Goutier - Paris En Automne > Aztec Camera - Knife > " " " - Love > Psychic TV - Themes 2 > Mick Ronson - Slaughter on 10th ave. > > not to mention a few odds and ends singles by Flock of Seagulls, KLF, Martha > and the Muffins, The Flying Lizards, The Alarm, and the Dream Syndicate... > > Robert (with flame proof invisible shield fully activated) Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 19:23:39 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] now playing... > this morning i have had the pleasure of listening to the first three > Kraftwerk albums: > > Kraftwerk 1 > Kraftwerk 2 > Kraftwerk - Ralf and Florian > > it's amazing to me that these sound different to me everytime i listen to > them, even after all these years....I'm at the end of Ralf and Florian right > now and i'm listening to Ananas Symphonie and it's perfect for this dreary > rainy day here in the midwest....does anyone know what the Tone Float lp > sounds like? that is the only Kraftwerk related album i do not own.... > > Robert Lynn hmm, coincidence, synchronicity or what !!?? i just listening Tone Float album when i see this mail in my Outlook..spooky..!! Tone Float is nice album after first listening... i think it will heave same impact on you as 3 above mentioned ones.. it works on that way to me... similar things is that tofay is november 13, dreary rainy day here and that i listen Ananas Symphonie 3 times in row... ha, ha.. btw, i never heard that Electric Music in full..do you have some opinion ...!!?? mileta ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:16:25 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] various topics round-up pt. 1 Graeme sayeth: >I disagree about Will Sargeant getting better - I'd >say his peak in terms of inventiveness & originality >was his playing on Clay. The Electraxion album was >awful! Hey, I wasn't vetting the whole album! I'm just saying that Will's guitar work on the Electrafixion and latter-day Bunnymen albums, as much as it can be separated from the tepid songs themselves, is quite good, and the two times I saw Will live in the '90s (the Electrafixion tour in Nashville -- '95? '96? -- and a Bunnymen set in Chicago in '97) his playing was dazzling. I'd even compare it to Bruce Gilbert's, in that unbelievable sounds were raining and sputtering out of his guitar without any apparent effort on the part of the guitarist. Otherworldly. Any opinions on Will's Glide project? I've not heard a note of 'em, so I'm curious. Mileta says: >personally, i am very sad that i lose somehow Killing Moon >12" with that all night version, full of pathos, but... You might be glad to know that it's resurrected in glorious digitally remastered form on the CRYSTAL DAYS box set... Lisa asks me: >Hey Miles, forgive me for being out of the loop, but is the 80's Wire not >regarded as highly as other decades? It's difficult to say. I think it's a fair statement to say that there's more of a consensus about the high quality of PINK FLAG, CHAIRS MISSING, and 154. The dancier and more processed nature of '80s Wire puts some people off. My top four in order are A BELL IS A CUP, CHAIRS MISSING, IDEAL COPY, and 154, so I'm firmly straddling the fence! >I'm really into 80's music, slightly embarrassed to say : / I don't >know...I just think that the music people keep listening to again and again >is the stuff that they listened to during the most happy, carefree times of >their lives. Just a theory. I even like the first MINISTRY record, and you >know what a crime that is!!!! Ha! I like to think I'm open to adding new things to my personal pantheon, but when I look at my yearly best-of lists from the '80s , some of those years go ten or fifteen deep with what I think of as all-time classics. 1980, 1985... wow. Dan Bailey: >the only other wax trax band i've ever been passionate about >was pre-sexplosion thrill kill kult. & i've probably noted before that by >putting out what i regard as something like 10 superlative albums in the >late '80s & '90s, they pretty much qualified as a wonder of nature. I'll second the Thrill Kill Kult recommendation, but not the "pre-SEXPLOSION" qualifier. I like *everything* I own by them, and SEXPLOSION! is the one I reach for the most. The pre-SEXPLOSION stuff is less camp, but IMO not as hook-filled or fun. more to come, listowner Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 14:18:11 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] more topic potpourri [no Wire content] Eric Klaver: >I saw Lloyd Cole's one man show last night. I know this will draw fire but >he was bang on phenomenal. He did a 2+ hour set starting with "Heartbroken". >The masterful stroke of playing this delicate song to start a >onemanoneacousticguitar set assured the audience's wrapt attention for the >rest of the set. He broke into "in between days" for a couple of bars saying >something approaching "I like the Cure's music.. it's the band I can do >without." He actually had good running commentary throughout though, as >usual, Toronto was as "polite" (read unresponsive) as a Japanese audience. I'm a big Cole fan too. However, the only time I've ever seen him live in seventeen years of fandom was his first-ever Nashville gig, in the company of the Negatives this past March, and this was the most disappointing show I'd seen in years. The band simply didn't have the touch required to pull off stunners like "No Blue Skies" and "Perfect Skin," yet they couldn't muster enough rough-and-ready bar-band moxie to make up in heart what they lacked in ability. (The setlist was ill-chosen as far as suiting the band's strengths -- no basic uptempo workouts like "Tell Your Sister" or "I Hate To See You Baby Doin' That Stuff.") The best part was the first encore song, which Cole (tellingly) played solo. His song choice was inspired, Karen Black's "Memphis" from the Altman film NASHVILLE. Then the band came back and sucked some more. (Negatives guitarist Jill Sobule doubled as the opening act, and was her usual charming and entertaining self during her own set.) re: Autechre I've somehow managed never to hear them until now, but based on the recommendations here I picked up CONFIELD this past weekend. I've only played it once so far, but I really, really didn't like it. Perhaps the musical goings-on are beyond my ken, since what kept coming to mind is a genre of which I'm not fond, jazz (especially fusion-and-after jazz - I can sorta follow Coltrane and pre-fusion Miles Davis). However, I'll give it the required minimum three plays before passing judgment. paul rabjohn: >> ps low spot of the weekend so far ; seeing limp bizkit covering "faith" >> (yes , the george michael one) on totp. words just couldn't describe it..... They did a hideous acoustic version of Led Zep's "Thank You" at some sort of MTV Europe awards that I passed by last night. Even bringing out Jimmy Page himself mid-song couldn't save it. I will say this for them: they are apparently *not* using pitch correction for their live performances! paul c.d.: >now that i think about it, i don't watch any tv programs that aren't >animated, except for the occasional star trek re-run late at night. haven't >seen one episode of the new one, enterprise. are there any worthwhile shows >on u.s. television these days? Certainly not ENTERPRISE, which has been laughably bad so far (except for breasty model-Vulcan T'Pol -- who'd'a'thunk it?). My favorite TV show for the last couple of years has been BUFFY THE VAMPIRE SLAYER, which usually manages to be funny, clever, *and* poignant, often all within the space of three or four well-written lines of dialogue. Its spinoff series ANGEL is usually on a par with the original. I'm fond of HBO's THE SOPRANOS and NBC's ED, though I suspect most idealcopyists would find the latter far too winsome. Graeme: >Mileta spread Bunnymen misinformation >>>>>Les was thrown out > >Les Pattinson left of his own volition because he no >longer wished to play in the band. He was also very >distraught about his mother dying. This is what I read >in an interview anyway. Confirmed by my own memories and reading, including a recent gander at the CRYSTAL DAYS booklet. Heck, *Will* almost called it off when Mac seemed bent on excluding them both from WHAT ARE YOU GOING TO DO WITH YOUR LIFE? probably even more to follow, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 21:00:04 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Revolutionary Sounds of Thurston Moore Mileta talked garbage >>>>one of my friend who live in NY told - SY are perfect band for yuppies who want to have everyday 45 minute revolution. Ever considered that your friend might be full of shit? I'd bet there are a few jealous people in NY who begrudge SY's success, which they've attained on their own terms unlike so many boring and infinitely less talented bands. Was your NY friend referring to peaceful revolution of the kind pulled off by Ghandi against the rotten British Empire & 'Large Black Slug' Victoria? Or was s/he referring to bloody revolutions such as the Bolshevik uprising or Mme Guillotine & the democratic machine? Or did s/he perhaps mean that these yuppies might experience a revolution of the mind, an epiphany like those that might happen experiencing idea-art from the likes of Allen Ginsberg, William Burroughs, Joseph Beuys, etc? Better that than music for yuppies who want to have everyday overblown false emotion fakery (ie. Simple Minds), or music for yuppies who want to experience third rate Joy Division rip offs with dry ice and spindly drum machines (Sisters of Mercy). Or even pictures for yuppies who want to see Irish plagiarists farting about in the desert (Anton Corbijn), or tacky messianic misbegotten yuppie selfism absorption (U2), or 45 minutes of yuppie fodder from a man with a dead plant on his head and a cat in his bed (the Cure). What I found grossly ignorant about your SY posting was that you seemed to be slagging Thurston Moore for recommending other bands, such as the excellent Boredoms. It is quite OK for Thurston to have many favourite bands. You are always telling us about your favourite bands... excuse me if I say that I find more interest in the favourite bands of an innovative guitarist whose art has fascinated me enough to warrant about 40-50 of his discs on my shelves than the somewhat dated eighties revivalist tastes of someone I've never met. I'd rather root through Thurston's record collection than Mileta's any day! I think it's quite refreshing that musicicans like him & Colin Nemwan retain such an enthusiasm for other peoples' music. Your spreading of idle gossip about someone you've (presumably) never met smacks of the malaise which has afflicted most of the UK 'music' press for way too long. >>>>maybe, i am wrong One word: yes. As usual Giluz spoke sense >>>>I'm not saying that it's an axiom - Big Money Ruins Good Music - I'm just saying that it's much harder to do, and for this you really need a very particular kind of talent. Sonic Youth prove this. Find me one other band as well known as them who've forged such an interesting, if erratic, path. The SYR releases in particular are all excellent except the Kim Gordon / Ikue Mori thing which I can't comment on because I haven't heard it because I don't care for Kim's vocals latterly. I'm sure Ikue Mori's contribution is outstanding as ever though. >Solo Wire stuff? All of it is excellent except He Said Take Care and It Seems which have both dated a bit really. If you like 154, A-Z is likely to impress unless you are Craig (but at least he didn't hear Shampoo or Robert Palmer in that one!). Dome, Ab Ovo, The Shivering Man, Music for Fruit and Low Impact & Oscillating are unique & utterly essential & Lewis has really been in a roll recently with the brilliant Ocsid & Hox, which are easily his best albums minus Gilbert. And definitely check out the Swim Team samplers too! And Bastard, Not To, Singing Fish, Insiding, 8 Time, etc, etc. Bruce Gilbert's 'In Esse' has proved very difficult for some though. It is very noisy indeed! I think it's fantastic, but if you want rhythms & tunes, you'll be disappointed. Anthem in a Vacuum... Graeme np Nurse With Wound - An Awkward Pause ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 15:14:28 -0600 From: Miles Goosens Subject: [idealcopy] mixed topical nuts [cashews = Wire = minimal amount] Michael Flaherty: >1. Daydream Nation is easily my favorite Sonic youth record Mine too. To me, DAYDREAM NATION is the ideal midpoint between noise and pop appeal -- actual tunes had been creeping in since at least BAD MOON RISING, and DAYDREAM NATION has the just-right mixture of hellacious noise with hooks and melody. Is it the sugar coating I like, or the barbed wire? Doesn't matter, it's two great tastes in one! (DAYDREAM NATION was my #1 album of 1988 before I retroactively discovered Wire. A BELL IS A CUP now occupies the #1 slot.) Chriswire sez: >Now Wall of Voodoo with Stan Ridgway were quality.They never quite reached >the heights when Stan the Man left.Everybodys gotta love Mexican Radio !! Hey, I'll stick up for the Andy Prieboy-led incarnation of the group! SEVEN DAYS IN SAMMYSTOWN is particularly memorable, at least to me. (And if anyone has the CD version of SEVEN DAYS IN SAMMYSTOWN or finds one somewhere, I'd be eager to relieve you of it...) Robert Lynn's 50p shopping expedition: >Stan Ridgway - The Big Heat >" " " " - Mosquitos That being said about Prieboy's Wall of Voodoo, these ain't bad albums, particularly THE BIG HEAT. I like it in "Walking Home Alone" when Ridgway says the "sad trombone" line, and then a sad trombone kicks in. >The Teardrop Explodes - You Disappear from View ep >" " " " - Wilder Hey, I never managed to find a copy of the EP! Good stuff. I like KILIMANJARO a bit more than WILDER, but both are mighty fine. "The Great Dominions" is one of the best haunting album closers there is... >Julian Cope - World Shut Your Mouth ...but I like WORLD SHUT YOUR MOUTH even better. One great song after another, Kate St. John's oboe, the sinister ominous frenetic "Kolly Kibber's Birthday," "If I were France and you were Germany," many other great moments. Or you could mean the 1986 EP that has the song "World Shut Your Mouth" and top-notch covers of the 13th Floor Elevators' "(I've Got) Levitation" and Pere Ubu's "Non-Alignment Pact." Winning purchases, either way. >Aztec Camera - Knife >" " " - Love KNIFE is the Knopfler-produced second album, which does pale beside the debut but has its share of overlooked songs. I particularly like the title track and "Birth of the True." LOVE I've blotted out of my memory -- so saccharine that it could double as the Worst of Paddy McAloon. John Roberts: >I think that these dreams are all due to the anxiety >caused by the shelving of the Albini sessions myself. Given how much I hate Albini's productions, I think I might have been more traumatized by their release. later, Miles ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:37:58 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Revolutionary Sounds of Thurston Moore all i can say is: Wow...i am speechless..... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:41:57 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] now playing... now playing: a cd-r of the George Faith lp "To Be A Lover"..top notch production by Lee Scratch Perry of course! earlier selections: Bark Psychosis - "Hex" T. Rex - "Futuristic Dragon" Infiniti (Juan Atkins) - "Skynet" Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 16:48:54 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] latest WIRE mag.. in issue #213 November 2001 of Wire magazine there is a free compilation cd from the Staubgold label from Germany....just thought i would pass that along in case anybody is interested...Jim O'Rourke is the cover story.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 13:52:19 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [OT] Autechre & CONFIELD (was Re: [idealcopy] more topic potpourri [no Wire content]) >re: Autechre >I've somehow managed never to hear them until now, but based on the >recommendations here I picked up CONFIELD this past weekend. I've only >played it once so far, but I really, really didn't like it. This is a difficult album to get into. I've had it a while, and I'm still not getting it! (^_^) Although, I'll probably get slammed for saying this, I would suggest starting out with the Tri Repetae++ and Autechre/LP5 (aka The Brown CD) CDs and then re-evaluating CONFIELD. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:03:26 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] mixed topical nuts [cashews = Wire = minimal amount] Miles, << KNIFE is the Knopfler-produced second album, which does pale beside the debut but has its share of overlooked songs. I particularly like the title track and "Birth of the True." >> It also has Malcolm Ross on guitar, which adds a certain frisson! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:00:16 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Revolutionary Sounds of Thurston Moore Graeme, << to peaceful revolution of the kind pulled off by Ghandi against the rotten British Empire & 'Large Black Slug' Victoria? >> I think you'll find QV was long dead before Ghandi's struggle began, though I get yr point. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:31:49 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [OT] Autechre & CONFIELD (was Re: [idealcopy] more topic potpourri [no W... In a message dated 11/13/01 4:01:03 PM Central Standard Time, paulp@wrq.com writes: << >re: Autechre >I've somehow managed never to hear them until now, but based on the >recommendations here I picked up CONFIELD this past weekend. I've only >played it once so far, but I really, really didn't like it. This is a difficult album to get into. I've had it a while, and I'm still not getting it! (^_^) Although, I'll probably get slammed for saying this, I would suggest starting out with the Tri Repetae++ and Autechre/LP5 (aka The Brown CD) CDs and then re-evaluating CONFIELD. >> in my opinion, i see Autechre unravelling music notions....i have followed their growth/decay? since the start...It has been a wonderful journey thus far...first they started as a very rigid IDM group (1st lp) then came the lush but part beautiful/part ominus Amber from there slowly evolved into a very minimal sometimes harsh group..then the layers started to pile back on but this time all sense of structure has become chaos...or has it?...it's really up to the listener i suppose...but i applaud them for challenging me every step of the way....and i can definately see where some would not like it at all...very understandable indeed! but i really do enjoy it...keep giving it a listen and one day when the mood is right it might hit you...truth of the matter is that i HATED it the first 5 times i listened to it.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 22:37:28 -0000 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HALO From: The HALO album is only half-good...the songs > > with > > > Graham on vocals are the keepers...the rest of it is crap.... > > > Robert > > > > > I though he did the vocals on all the tracks(?) > > Ian B > > > > nope > >Robert Apart from some female backing vocals on one track, which ones aren't Lewis? As an aside, I caught a glimpse of Depeche Mode on the telly the other night, and that Gahan bloke looks rough - like a cross between Paul Morley and Terry Jones out of Monty Python. And he got the crowd to wave invisible scarves above their heads, for crying out loud! Ian ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 17:50:47 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] HALO In a message dated 11/13/01 4:44:48 PM Central Standard Time, ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: << Apart from some female backing vocals on one track, which ones aren't Lewis? As an aside, I caught a glimpse of Depeche Mode on the telly the other night, and that Gahan bloke looks rough - like a cross between Paul Morley and Terry Jones out of Monty Python. And he got the crowd to wave invisible scarves above their heads, for crying out loud! Ian >> I have already admitted my foolish comments were in haste and poor memory...i listened to the cd 3 times today and it's definately Lewis ..but some of the vocals he does in a strange voice....As for Depeche Mode, i am really sad to watch their decline...i wish they would call it a day....Especially since i fear that Dave will relapse into a drug stupor eventually.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 14 Nov 2001 01:55:20 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] In Dreams on 11/13/01 4:26 PM, bartvandamme@home at bartvandamme@home.nl wrote: > John [psychologically traumatized Wire fan] wrote: > >> Can someone forward these mails to the band in the >> hope that it will get them to pull their fingers out >> with the new album? > > I've frequently wondered about if bandmembers were interested in what goes > on around this list. Anyone has a clue? Wouldn't it be fun if they would > appear in it every once in a while. [and perhaps they do - using a nick] I'd rather have them finish the new album than wasting their time on 80's music debates or dream interpretations. cheers, giluz ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 23:58:50 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] colin solo/recommendations for Lisa... >Mark (alone in ranking Not To as Colin's finest solo album absolutely not Mark, still my fave Newman solo LP, just shading 'C.S'. re : recommendations to Lisa, i was just trying to second guess what she MIGHT prefer to hear straight away... not an easy or wise choice!! ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 13 Nov 2001 20:41:42 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] hahahahhaa video fun !!!! I just picked up a great video at a second hand shop...it's the Wax Trax compilation video called Black Box Volume Two... Here's some of the video highlights (or lowpoints depending on your point of view!): Revolting Cocks - Stainless Steel Providers (poseur macho dorks led by Al Jourgensen) KMFDM - More and Faster (uhhhh) Laibach - Life Is Life -(hahhahahaha what a bunch of twats with phony macho voices) Coil - Tainted Love (wow, a very powerful piece of video about AIDS..no wonder this is in some sort of video museum..Marc Almond makes a cameo) Meat Beat Manifesto - Strapdown (pretty good as well) Thrill Kill Kult - Kooler Than Jesus (great collage video that brings back clubbing memories!) Psychic TV - Joy (very trippy and ravey of course) Chris Connelly - Stowaway (i've always kind of liked this guy) A Split Second - Colosseum Crash Fini Tribe - I Want More Greater Than One- Utopia pretty great buy at $2.00 ! Hell, the Coil video alone would have been worth $10.00 ... now i'm going to go watch my Severed Heads videos!.. Robert Lynn ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #344 *******************************