From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #342 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, November 12 2001 Volume 04 : Number 342 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] WMO the future [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] WMO [kevin eden ] Re: [idealcopy] FAO Lisa, new subscriber [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] A Stroke o'Flux! (!) [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] WMO [giluz ] [idealcopy] Springer (OT) ["Garry Phillipson" ] [idealcopy] record fairs ["Phillip Blakeney" ] Re: [idealcopy] A Stroke o'Flux! (!) ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] In Dreams ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Attrition [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] In Dreams [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT Attrition [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT Attrition [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] OT Attrition ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] Dance Me to the End of 2001 [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Thank you to both Ians! ["dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] WMO the future "From: "Jan J Noorda" Subject: [idealcopy] end of WMO First of all I would like to thank Kevin Eden and the rest for his work over the last years by managing his Wiremailorder. A couple of days to go and then it's all history." Can I (once more) clarify the situation re-WMO. The website (wiremailorder.com) and WMO US will ending on 15th November. Period. WMO UK IS CONTINUING FOR THE FORSEEABLE FUTURE!! All outstanding stock from the US is coming back to the UK and will be administrated by WMO and Cargo for the world. The new Wireviews newsletter outlines all this and makes it more clear. As if it wasn't already> Thanks ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 02:02:47 -0800 (PST) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] WMO Thank you for all the kind words about WMO etc. Can I put it on the record that I could not have done it without my partner-in-crime Charles Snider, without whom.... As has been said the imminent closure of wiremailorder.com and the USA side of the business does not mean the end of WMO.... yet. I will continue to do my bit until all stock is sold and deal with all mail order enquiries for the world. Please do not hesitate in contacting me with your queries, wants etc. We are still open for business beyond 15th November, but only from the UK. ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:19:57 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FAO Lisa, new subscriber on 11/12/01 4:06 AM, RLynn9@aol.com at RLynn9@aol.com wrote: > I did not like Bastard at all.....It was too "all over the place"....I like > his Immersion stuff well enough though...and Oracle is ok.... > Bastard is an album that grows from listen to listen. I remember my first reaction to it was "nice, but nothing really amazing". Give it another 5-10 listens and you'll change your views (I hope - that's what happened to me). Why did no-one mentioned Voice? I know it's only a single, but it's great. Also, you can't talk about Colin's swim stuff without mentioning Malka's albums. Apart from the fact that they're co-written, co-played and co-produced by Colin (just as Colin's "solos" are co-written, co-played and co-produced by Malka), they're great. Also, Swim Team #2 has Colin involved in almost half of its tracks, and that's a very good (and quite cheap) opportunity to learn what he's been doing in the last year, and I think there's a certain change of style here from previous releases. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:19:57 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Stroke o'Flux! (!) on 11/12/01 11:30 AM, Mileta Okiljevic at baltazar@panet.bits.net wrote: > Forgive me also, even i like SY very much, but for me first > few albums of Simple Minds have more values than ones from > SY. Empires & Dance , Sons/Sisters even Life In A Day and > Reel To Reel still sound flresh and fascinated for me and never > bored. New Gold Dream works on another level.. > what get me out of SY is that i felt in one stage of their career, > that they are not so honest in what they do.. > as someone said about picture they got about themesleves, they > want to be what picture about SY was..( i must excluded that i > wasn' t talk about music, music was alwasy fine-what i heard ). > one of my friend who live in NY told - SY are perfect band for > yuppies who want to have everyday 45 minute revolution. > And that was my last impression i have about them. > I always prefered Swans, even if i was disappointed with some > things they have done, i adore Gira and Jarboes efforts to do > what they want with full heart. > sometimes people from SY look to me as pseudo-intelectual > and i hate it very much.. > maybe, i am wrong , maybe my impressions are not valued one, > but i think so.. I won't argue with you about personal tastes, Mileta, but what's the relation between Simple Minds and SY? Apart from the fact that they released some albums in the 80's I can't find any relation - they work on a completely different level, musically. I wouldn't even compare them to the Swans, even though here the comparison is more related. Still, SY always struck me as doing that kind of post-Velvet Underground thing, while the swans were into darker slower sometimes even goth stuff. As to authenticity and integrity I don't know much. SY were certainly very significant in the post-punk American scene which turned mega in the early 90's. I just remember having a listen at a record shop to one of their releases of a few years back, where they re-enacted some old avantgarde modern classical pieces (it has been mentioned on the list once or twice, I think). I can't say that I liked it, but I quite enjoyed the fact that a band in their position which could probably live off quite well on doing the same thing over and over again (which I think was what Dirty was about) chose to concentrate instead on something really obscure and uncommercial. Certainly better than the likes of Simple Minds or REM. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:28:44 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] WMO on 11/12/01 1:02 PM, kevin eden at wmouk@yahoo.com wrote: > Thank you for all the kind words about WMO etc. > Can I put it on the record that I could not have done > it without my partner-in-crime Charles Snider, without > whom.... I would also like to thank Kevin and Charles for the great job they did with WMO. Not executives, just fans that had the generosity to make other fans' lives easier by releasing that stuff. And personally, for me Dugga Dugga Dugga was one of the best releases of the last few years (there are never too much versions of Drill). Thanks. giluz ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:34:16 -0000 From: "Garry Phillipson" Subject: [idealcopy] Springer (OT) To DMack, who asked: btw - Anyone got a copy of Springer? How is it? I've bought a couple of albums by Mark Springer - 'Piano' and 'Menu'. Both damn good imo, though you have to be into solo piano stuff obviously cos that's what they are. He's definitely absorbed some Satie somewhere along the line - which is a good thing in my book, he can be very low-key and sparse at times. You don't get the feeling that he has to show off his technique the whole time (though it's obviously considerable). This arose from a discussion of the Pop Group (who incidentally were amazing live) - Springer wasn't in the Pop Group but was in Rip Rig & Panic, the band which was started by Gareth Sager and Bruce the bass player from the PG. Anybody know what happened to Sager? ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 21:57:43 +1100 From: "Phillip Blakeney" Subject: [idealcopy] record fairs Jan Noorda wrote: "Next weekend the biggest collectors-market in Utrecht. It's so big that you have to make choises first which part could be interesting. But I am sure to find interesting things.".............................. I spent 4 hours combing through Sydney, Australia's ONLY decent record and CD fair last weekend, and found two (2) only items from Wire or offshoots. Talk about hard work. :-( Phillip from Australia - ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 03:03:06 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Sonic Youth [was a Stroke of Flux] > >New Gold Dream works on another level.. Yes, Leyton Orient's. 8-) > > what get me out of SY is that i felt in one stage > of their career, > > that they are not so honest in what they do.. > > as someone said about picture they got about > themesleves, they > > want to be what picture about SY was..( i must > excluded that i > > wasn' t talk about music, music was alwasy > fine-what i heard ). > > one of my friend who live in NY told - SY are > perfect band for > > yuppies who want to have everyday 45 minute > revolution. > > And that was my last impression i have about them. I always cringe when I hear SY being interviewed. And I'm a fan. I just wish they'd stop trying to be smart asses and ironic all the time. Daydream Nation is one of their most overrated albums. My faves are Sister, EVOL and Goo. Now, they rock. 8-) > > I always prefered Swans, even if i was > disappointed with some > > things they have done, i adore Gira and Jarboes > efforts to do > > what they want with full heart. > > sometimes people from SY look to me as > pseudo-intelectual > > and i hate it very much.. > > maybe, i am wrong , maybe my impressions are not > valued one, > > but i think so.. How can you not say that Swans are pseudo-intellectual? What was with Gira's caveman garb on stage and big f*ck off stetson off? And that's poetry? And again, I like Swans. > > I won't argue with you about personal tastes, > Mileta, but what's the > relation between Simple Minds and SY? Apart from the > fact that they released > some albums in the 80's I can't find any relation - > they work on a > completely different level, musically. Thurston and Jim Kerr both had a nice flick haircut? John Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 03:16:06 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] In Dreams Here's a new thread for you. How many people have ever had a dream about a member or members of Wire? The reason I ask is because quite worryingly I've had two in the past month! First one: I'm visiting IBM for a computer training session and who do I find out works there? Bruce Gilbert. I spend all day hanging around the office avoiding security staff in an effort to meet him. His coat is on his chair but he never returns to his seat. Second one: me, my partner and a friend of mine in a car. It's Xmas eve. We're driving through a small village when he announces that he's got a surprise. He pulls up and he knocks on a door. We are let in by someone and my friend immediately runs to the bedroom door, opens it and there's Graham Lewis in a dressing gown. Graham is emphatically camp in this dream btw. Graham pretends to recognize (a) my friend who claims he came to his Xmas party the year before and (b) me who he did meet in real life on a train after the Nottm gig last year. We spend the evening by the pool(!) in Graham's living room with a group of pony tailed rockers drinking and talking - a bit like that LA Pool Party programme. Anyone care to psychoanalyze these? Still, not as frightening for my partner as the time I dreamt that Emile Heskey had put Leicester one nil up and I threw my arms in the air both in my dream and in bed! Nearly knocked her out. Cheers John Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:34:26 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] A Stroke o'Flux! (!) > I won't argue with you about personal tastes, Mileta, but what's the > relation between Simple Minds and SY? Apart from the fact that they released > some albums in the 80's I can't find any relation - they work on a > completely different level, musically. I wouldn't even compare them to the > Swans, even though here the comparison is more related. Still, SY always > struck me as doing that kind of post-Velvet Underground thing, while the > swans were into darker slower sometimes even goth stuff. Relation between SY & SM !?? Don' t exist at all, just my answer to Graeme. And still keep my opinion that SM worked more to me than SY. Complete respect to SY, without them will not be MBV, etc, etc ...but, maybe it's that i can suit myself more in that " european " sound more than in noise so presented in SY. Relation between SY & Swans !?? Well, they were friends and are appered from similar background. Darker !? What is darker, it seems that darker for some people mean bad or hmm, connecetd with that " goth " thang . I will not agree at all !!!! btw, my favourite Swans thing aren' t Swans records at all ( with exception of Children Of God - SY will not capture Cathiolic guilt in that way like M. Gira captured in their own records Children especially ) but Skin - Shame, Humility, Revenge..it's one i can get scared.. call it slow, dark..goth, hmmm ( it's senseless term like many before and after ) but ican real get feeling of loneliness, scorched earth ( etc, etc..). I hope you listen this one, so you can get picture of what i mean.. Now what !! about 70% of bands will be in more darker than lighter stuff.. Death Valley ' 69 is in competition for Top 5 or ..hmm. name for yourself.. Post VU-thing... aren' t almost all band we discussed here post VU-post thing !!! > > As to authenticity and integrity I don't know much. SY were certainly very > significant in the post-punk American scene which turned mega in the early > 90's. I just remember having a listen at a record shop to one of their > releases of a few years back, where they re-enacted some old avantgarde > modern classical pieces (it has been mentioned on the list once or twice, I > think). I can't say that I liked it, but I quite enjoyed the fact that a > band in their position which could probably live off quite well on doing the > same thing over and over again (which I think was what Dirty was about) > chose to concentrate instead on something really obscure and uncommercial. > Certainly better than the likes of Simple Minds or REM. I know more people who thinks that REM turned modern US scene in what they was in early 90's , even if i will disagree with them, and defend your stetements..!! But, band who never succeded more, but was around like MagnaPop etc, etc, will pay more attention to Michael Stipe and Husker Du ( note, melodic efforts with more or less noise ) than Thurston Moore.. Certainly, if this will be 1990, i will be on side of TM, now.. If you know what i mean solo albums of Bob Mould like Workbook ( not typical for what he doin' with HD ) was more better and add new dimension to rock music ( rock-music, again one of term i hate ) that solo one of Thusrton Moore i have in my home long time ago ( forgot name, but deal with Yoko Ono and was around in time of washing machine ). Sugar also.. Maybe is my mistake that i was around all that music when it was happening and that i expected Simple Minds albums very eagerly.. remember that when i heard that Steve Hillage will produce Sister / Sons i was in wonder but turned out fine.. Magazine was on one side, Associates on other , and Simple Minds somewhere around.. sorry, it can' t helped.. Magzine was lead by one of the Stooges bigest fan, and Simple Minds owed more to Bowie than Lou Reed. So, for certainly we cannot included SM in post VU thing.. execpt for fact that all those bands was post VU if you see when they was around and when VU was.. And for sure is that i like SY better than REM. As i said i feel respect for them, but certain SY are more important to me in any case.. It seems that i wasn't explained good SY positions with me.. I will try that SYR sessions, and Graeme C(a)r(p(enters and Boredom Youth thing is joke.. also, like yout modern Hollywood discussion Giluz, and hmm, i will not agree that OMD was rip-off Kraftwerk. They was just influenzed... we can now disussed OMD and their first album vs. latest.. in tradition of Simple Minds.. and for example about Carpenters.. Eldritch from Som said about Carpenters - She is more goth than myself..Plae, Skinny and Dead !! people from USA i disussed about Carpenters ( i know just biggest hits ) told me that somehing sick was floating around Carpenters !?? I will quotte only one opinion - Way he look at her all the time, svare the s..t out of me ! Incest, game whole family can play !!! Maybe Thusrton use it as starting point, i dunno... mileta ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 12:51:34 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Sonic Youth [was a Stroke of Flux] > > >New Gold Dream works on another level.. > > Yes, Leyton Orient's. 8-) ha, ha.. cheers John, i like this one.. and does Thurston Moore is new Kidderminster signing !?? i like this one !! > > I always cringe when I hear SY being interviewed. And > I'm a fan. I just wish they'd stop trying to be smart > asses and ironic all the time. Daydream Nation is one > of their most overrated albums. My faves are Sister, > EVOL and Goo. Now, they rock. 8-) i agree with you completely Sister, Evol & Goo.. not spit on it, but never find out what was so revolutionary about DN and cannot find on Sister or Evol.. single Teenage Riot is weak for me, like some band pay tribute to Sonic Youth, but also there was fanatstic songs.. but, it was weak in compared to Evol Or Sister.. Goo came later.. You cringe !! Please take a look at 1991 video, you will womit.. > > > > I always prefered Swans, even if i was > > disappointed with some > > > things they have done, i adore Gira and Jarboes > > efforts to do > > > what they want with full heart. > > > sometimes people from SY look to me as > > pseudo-intelectual > > > and i hate it very much.. > > > maybe, i am wrong , maybe my impressions are not > > valued one, > > > but i think so.. > > How can you not say that Swans are > pseudo-intellectual? What was with Gira's caveman > garb on stage and big f*ck off stetson off? And > that's poetry? And again, I like Swans. ha, ha, maybe you right, but i like Swans.. as i understand Gira want to be in image of tv-evangelist.. and he was in same movies Robert Kern made with Lydia Lunch , Henry Rollins etc.. i dislike that -very violenced ones, and cannot find sense in them.. i mean Lydia Lunch was more explicit.. i remember Swans when they was here in Belgrade long time ago.. They visited football match between Partizna Vs. Red Star and was fascinated with football hooligans.. > > > > > I won't argue with you about personal tastes, > > Mileta, but what's the > > relation between Simple Minds and SY? Apart from the > > fact that they released > > some albums in the 80's I can't find any relation - > > they work on a > > completely different level, musically. > > Thurston and Jim Kerr both had a nice flick haircut? oh, hmm, maybe they can made a cover project Simple Youth.. and cover VU, Genesis , Kraftwerk, John Zorn , David Bowie etc, etc.. Thurston will sing Born In Usa * from troubadour Bruce Springsteen* along with video in which he will burned USA flag ( like he was already done in cover of NME in 1990/91 ). and Jim will sing some Shonen Knife song . . It will be first of their serial of 100 cover songs called Haircut 100 !! speacial apperence from Kevin Shields who will pay tribute to great hero TM was expected every day.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:57:55 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FAO Lisa, new subscriber > << Dome 1 must be my fav album outside wire... shame I only got it on vinyl. > Anybody know if there's a Dome 1 & 2 cd-box availlable? >> >> Mute reissued Dome 1&2 on a single CD a few years ago on the "Grey Area" >> sub-label. Also Dome 3&4 on one CD. Try www.mute.com. They may have some >> left. Otherwise try Gemm or Netsounds. >> Mark Okaaaay! Nice one... thnx Mark! Bart www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl icq: 106821124 ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:01:45 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Springer (OT) Garry, << This arose from a discussion of the Pop Group (who incidentally were amazing live) - Springer wasn't in the Pop Group but was in Rip Rig & Panic, the band which was started by Gareth Sager and Bruce the bass player from the PG. Anybody know what happened to Sager? >> Bruce Smith was the drummer in the Pop Group. Also plays on the second Slits album. Both PG bassists formed bands though - Pigbag (Simon ??) and Maximum Joy (Dan Katsis) RR&P were all over the place live - good when they locked but too much farting about. The line-up also included Neneh Cherry on vocals. Gareth Sager went on to front Head in the late 80s/early 90s. More of a trad rock band than anything else he'd done before. He's still around. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:04:23 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Attrition In a message dated 12/11/01 01:13:48 GMT Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: > I have only one Attrition track and it is on the "Elephant Table-A > Compilation of Difficult Music"... //////i relieved my brother of 2 (very) early 80's compilations called "the angels are coming (vols 1 &2)". these must be about 82/83 and sure enough there's an attrition track on one of them, i lived in & around covrntry mid-80's and you heard attrition mentioned in passing but i can't recall many gigs or records. that refernce they make to the coventry "scene" in 79/80 made me smile. the only one i can think of was 2-tone , surely not the biggest influence on attritions oeuvre? unless he means the reluctant stereotypes who becam king and were tragic?? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 05:13:50 -0800 (PST) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] WMO/Wireviews/swim team #2 >>>First of all I would like to thank Kevin Eden and the rest for his work over the last years by managing his Wiremailorder. A couple of days to go and then it's all history. >>> I'm sure Kevin will probably post on this too, but it's WMO US that's closing (so the thanks and goodbyes should currently be going to Charles Snider). WMO UK will continue under Kevin's wing and its Web presence will be integrated into the Wireviews website. Next year this will also include some sort of archive of all the WMO newsletters and interviews. Speaking of which, I can't remember if I mentioned the site update on this list or not. If I didn't, then... erm, it's been updated. The major redesign will now appear in the next update, Jan or Feb 2002. >>>swim team #2 was officially released a few days ago. If anyone stumbles upon any reviews of it, please share them here.>>> Some hack or other wrote one for Wireviews this month. (An interview with Colin about the PE.com site is also online, written by Graeme.) Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:15:29 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] In Dreams > Anyone care to psychoanalyze these? John , as you know i work in Institute For Psychiatry, and spend some raeding and study about dreams. It's very challenging and creative area. In my own opinion, you have not raeson to worry at all !! Maybe you just too influenced by Wire and those dreams can be purely reflection on your day(s) Wire listening and reading contributions to Ideal Copy. I hope that you will not dream Thusrton Moore or Jim Kerr. That Sonic Minds duo.. > > Still, not as frightening for my partner as the time I > dreamt that Emile Heskey had put Leicester one nil up > and I threw my arms in the air both in my dream and in > bed! Nearly knocked her out. Also, she was lucky.. I think that she must be grateful to you , coz you aren' t influenced with Bruce Lee or Kung-Fu movies.. Maybe Leicester can hired you as positive-energy-pusher.. or virtual dreamer.. they will won then..sometime..something.. shame about it.. mileta > > Cheers > > John > Find a job, post your resume. > http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:28:53 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Attrition << //////i relieved my brother of 2 (very) early 80's compilations called "the angels are coming (vols 1 &2)". these must be about 82/83 and sure enough there's an attrition track on one of them, i lived in & around covrntry mid-80's and you heard attrition mentioned in passing but i can't recall many gigs or records.<< Attrtition completely passed me by. I thought they were some sort of Discharge/GBH style crap 3rd wave punk band. >> that refernce they make to the coventry "scene" in 79/80 made me smile. the only one i can think of was 2-tone , surely not the biggest influence on attritions oeuvre?<< Hard to think of anything of value from Coventry apart from 2-tone. >> unless he means the reluctant stereotypes who becam king and were tragic?? p >> A new contender for the crappest group discussed on idealcopy ?? Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 08:31:16 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] In Dreams John, Heskey eh?...what should have happened....you missed her completely, but she fell out of bed in a heap, getting you booked and winning a penalty for Leicester, which was duly blasted over the bar. Mark << > Still, not as frightening for my partner as the time I > dreamt that Emile Heskey had put Leicester one nil up > and I threw my arms in the air both in my dream and in > bed! Nearly knocked her out. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:11:35 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Attrition In a message dated 12/11/01 13:30:29 GMT Standard Time, MarkBursa@aol.com writes: > Hard to think of anything of value from Coventry apart from 2-tone. > //////well i've spent a lot of time there and there really hasn't been much at all. the best (ahem) i can come up with is the primitives. hmmm , point proved really. even hard core coventrians have to concede that for a city of 500,000 people it really hasn't left much impression. (especially if , like many midlanders , you're a rock fan and refuse to acknowledge any merit in 2-tone) > >> unless he means the reluctant stereotypes who becam king > and were tragic?? p >> > > A new contender for the crappest group discussed on idealcopy ?? > > ////you mean king or the reluctant sterotypes? even worse is that 15 years > on paul king still has a "career" , he's all over VH1 like a > particularly purrulent rash. for non-Uk listers ., king were like an even > worse version of stadium-era simple minds 80's mindless bombast. or am i > being unfair? p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 09:34:21 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Attrition More like lightweight synth-pop funkfluff. US listers may remember Love and Pride, King's "hit". Or perhaps not. Mark << king were like an even worse version of stadium-era simple minds 80's mindless bombast. or am i being unfair? p > >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 16:15:21 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Attrition Hey, he was TV presenter for MTV 120 Minutes , and i like when he was there... He made good interviews with Gavin Friday, Sonic Youth, Spiritualized, Therapy ( i think that they wass his favourite ) MES etc, etc... But, i will agree with any haircuts comments.. only Kaja Goo Goo championed him.. now he is presenter with VH-1 or he was, hmm.. after him came Miles Hunt ( ex- Wonder Stuff ), but i like Paul King better.. even NME ( ha, ha..) interviewed King as MTV 120 Minutes presenter.. Love & Pride was hit.. i " like " that scary vocal..ha, ha... only few Goth bands can overpassed him.. mileta > More like lightweight synth-pop funkfluff. US listers may remember Love and > Pride, King's "hit". Or perhaps not. > > Mark > > << king were like an even worse version of stadium-era simple minds 80's > mindless bombast. or am i being unfair? p > >> ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 07:13:59 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Love and Pride/Shiny Docs/Jacques Lacan I saw King at Leicester Poly at the peak of their powers. I'd wiped it from my memory - yes Mileta I'm in denial - but thanks to you Rabjohn I'll now probably have nightmares about being chased through the corridors of that institution by tall freaky haired yoof TV presenters in shiny boots. Grrr. John P.S. Mileta - psychoanalysis: what do you know of Jacques Lacan? Just been scaring some students with Oedipal interpretations of Hamlet. - --- PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > In a message dated 12/11/01 13:30:29 GMT Standard > Time, MarkBursa@aol.com > writes: > > > > Hard to think of anything of value from Coventry > apart from 2-tone. > > > //////well i've spent a lot of time there and there > really hasn't been much > at all. the best (ahem) i can come up with is the > primitives. hmmm , point > proved really. even hard core coventrians have to > concede that for a city of > 500,000 people it really hasn't left much > impression. (especially if , like > many midlanders , you're a rock fan and refuse to > acknowledge any merit in > 2-tone) > > > > >> unless he means the reluctant stereotypes who > becam king > > and were tragic?? p >> > > > > A new contender for the crappest group discussed > on idealcopy ?? > > > > ////you mean king or the reluctant sterotypes? > even worse is that 15 years > > on paul king still has a "career" , he's > all over VH1 like a > > particularly purrulent rash. for non-Uk listers ., > king were like an even > > worse version of stadium-era simple minds 80's > mindless bombast. or am i > > being unfair? p Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:40:24 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Love and Pride/Shiny Docs/Jacques Lacan > I saw King at Leicester Poly at the peak of their > powers. I'd wiped it from my memory - yes Mileta I'm > in denial - but thanks to you Rabjohn I'll now > probably have nightmares about being chased through > the corridors of that institution by tall freaky > haired yoof TV presenters in shiny boots. > > Grrr. ha, ha . . . and as a bonus if u have seen Dr & The Medics and early Slade ( H U G E R E S P E C T ), combined with Alien Sex Fiend , Virgin Prunes and Fields Of The Nephilim you must denied to sleep next million years.. > > John > > P.S. Mileta - psychoanalysis: what do you know of > Jacques Lacan? Just been scaring some students with > Oedipal interpretations of Hamlet. Sorry, not from any help..but i will ask people who works with me, if you are interested.. In Institute where i work, there is one Professor who work with sleep, sleep disorders, etc, etc... He bacame one of 5000 people declared by Oxford as people of millenium. Hmm, we was honoured that one of chosen was there, until we wasn' t find out that you, me,Jim Kerr, Thurston Moore and King can be there, just to pay about 5.000 $. I think that he will not going further because he denied to open any post, etc, etc ... anthrax and similar. So, he will lose touch with all those " sleep society ". Maybe he will became goth !! Do you know joke when Oedipus came to New York !? He is goin' on Subway, and take a seat... then a big, very big black man tell him - Get Up, You M....rf....r !!!! mileta ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:16:07 +0000 (GMT) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Dance Me to the End of 2001 >Album of the year 2001? 'Been Here and Gone' by Thalia Zedek on Matador records. In a world full of faux ass cheese masquerading as high emotion it is wonderful to hear such a genuinely emotive and powerful collection of songs as this. Every chord change sends shivers. I sobbed uncontrollably for the whole of 'Back to School' such was its intense emotional impact and I was in a very good mood, although I had earlier imbibed about 5 pints of 4+% bitters. Stayed up all night listening over & over. While I'm at it you might as well know that you will also need to hear the 4 Come albums, the last 3 Live Skull albums & the Uzi album if you haven't already before your musical sorrowful joy can be considered anything like close to perfect. Start with 'Don't Ask Don't Tell' by Come. Thalia is a songwriting genius who has stayed at my old house. Mileta spread Bunnymen misinformation >>>>Les was thrown out Les Pattinson left of his own volition because he no longer wished to play in the band. He was also very distraught about his mother dying. This is what I read in an interview anyway. >David recalled the day crocodiles were in his shop... Crocodiles was the first EB record I bought. I bought Crocodiles at a record fair in a church in Salisbury around 84/85. That same day I also blew all my paltry wages on Wire - 154 w/7" (best seven quid I ever spent!) Buzzcocks - Spiral Scratch 7" Ramones - Rocket to Russia The Three Johns - AWOL 7" Altered Images - Happy Birthday LP Skids - Scared to Dance SLF - Hanx Disorder - Complete Disorder 7" (these latter 4 were later sold, but they were entertaining for a few years) >Monday Afternoon Whiteout: Thalia Zedek - Been Here & Gone Wire - Ahead 12" Wire - 154 Wir - The First Letter (Vien) Ground Zero - Consume Red Live Skull - Positraction Fugazi - Tha Argument My Ears! My Ears! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Everything you'll ever need on one web page from News and Sport to Email and Music Charts http://uk.my.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 10:16:44 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Love and Pride/Shiny Docs/Jacques Lacan > ha, ha . . . > and as a bonus if u have seen Dr & The Medics and > early > Slade ( H U G E R E S P E C T ), combined with > Alien > Sex Fiend , Virgin Prunes and Fields Of The Nephilim > you > must denied to sleep next million years.. Mileta Unfortunately I've seen three of the five. How much insomnia should I have to put up with? John Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 18:35:20 -0000 From: "timmaher" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Attrition > I kind of knew Attrition in the early Eighties. I have a few tracks by them > dotted on various compilations. I never acquired any of their own releases > though, despite the fact that I quite liked what they did. > Are they still going? > > Ian B Attrition, for those interested, are playing in Northapton at the end of the month. Supported by Venus Fly Trap, whose singer was in Attrition at the time they lived in London, circa 85. Tim ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:19:05 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Dance Me to the End of 2001 In a message dated 11/12/01 12:19:26 PM Central Standard Time, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: << Crocodiles was the first EB record I bought. I bought Crocodiles at a record fair in a church in Salisbury around 84/85. That same day I also blew all my paltry wages on Wire - 154 w/7" (best seven quid I ever spent!) Buzzcocks - Spiral Scratch 7" Ramones - Rocket to Russia The Three Johns - AWOL 7" Altered Images - Happy Birthday LP Skids - Scared to Dance SLF - Hanx Disorder - Complete Disorder 7" >> My local shop just put all of their vinyl on sale for .50 cents a piece...I noticed all three Altered Images lps, The Comateens first lp, a couple of Red Lorrie, Yellow Lorrie lps, a couple of Julian Cope lps as well as Wilder by the Teardrop Explodes, a couple of Wall of Voodoo lps...any of you guys think these are worth my time? Please give me an opinion, i am not all that familiar with any of these...(c'mon Graeme don't let me down!)...thanks to you all! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 13:49:32 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Thank you to both Ians! Now that I >am starting my BRAND NEW JOB tomorrow, (Monday), I'll be able to splurge and >buy music once again!! must be something in the air ... as noted previously, my new one (unless they changed their minds over the weekend -- i'm about to call & formally accept, while in the process seeing if i can wring any extra money &/or other concessions out of them) is supposed to start in about 2 weeks. in fact, i'm planning to drive the 7 hours or so down to montgomery tonight for purposes of housing-hunting. funnily, 4 months of being unemployed didn't have a huge impact on my music-buying ... though maybe that somehow contributed to my having no savings accounts left. > >Oh, and just as an aside, Michael Stipe gets on my nerves. Old REM RULES! never a big fan of theirs, though i've got most of their stuff ... only saw 'em once, opening for the gang of 4 in probably fall of '82. dan/north little rock-montgomery > >Thanks again, have a great week, everyone, > >Lisa/Philadelphia ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 12 Nov 2001 14:58:57 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Love and Pride/Shiny Docs/Jacques Lacan In a message dated 12/11/01 17:46:59 GMT Standard Time, baltazar@panet.bits.net writes: > ha, ha . . . > and as a bonus if u have seen Dr & The Medics and early > Slade ( H U G E R E S P E C T ), combined with Alien > Sex Fiend , Virgin Prunes and Fields Of The Nephilim you > must denied to sleep next million years.. > > /////well i saw slade at a place i used to work. i wouldn't diss them , > they did what they did pretty well. oasis mk 1? > > but i will tell you my dr & the medics story as i doubt they'll ever get > mentioned again. they played aston uni just after their "hit" , and on came > the singer in a pair of crushed velvet loon pants , as was his wont. about > mid-way thru the (piss-poor) set the aforementioned garments gave way > rather embarassingly but the singer did not appear to realise his > predicament. for what seemed like a good minute he stood there singing away > whilst revealing his endowment to the hilarity of the audience (let's just > say jim kerr has nothing to fear....) , before looking down , turning > bright red and fleeing the stage in horror. by far the high spot of his act > , and the only thing i remember them for to be honest. i suspect they're > still doing the rounds somewhere....p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #342 *******************************