From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #340 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, November 11 2001 Volume 04 : Number 340 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... ["Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... > > I saw Lloyd Cole's one man show last night. I know this will draw fire but > > he was bang on phenomenal. He did a 2+ hour set starting with > "Heartbroken". Hey - speaking of Lloyd Cole, I saw Tori Amos last night. She played a pretty cool solo piano version of "Rattlesnakes" Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:03:07 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Average music hacks controversy - OT In a message dated 10/11/01 01:20:40 GMT Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > well, yeah, you know ... i was still in best-behavior mode after getting > back to town from a job interview. looks like i'm headed to montgomery, > ala., in a couple of weeks to further my career as an average news hack, or > at least as the metro editor of several average news hacks. Congratulations Dan..... if that's the right word ? Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 05:12:05 EST From: CHRISWIRE@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curio sity... In a message dated 10/11/01 03:22:55 GMT Standard Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: > 3 greats from the height of my mid 80's spending: > > cabaret voltaire-sensoria/microphonies > severed heads-goodbye tonsils/city slab horror > wire-snakedrill/ideal copy > I bought all three of those too.That Goodbye Tonsils is still up there amongst my fave 12" purchases of all time. Chris ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 08:04:05 -0600 From: "r\)\(0\)\(m" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:[various and sundry OT] - digest style reply Pop Group rec: Hands down - We Are Time One of the most seriously f#$%^d-up albums of all time (I mean that in the most complimetary fashion) I have a japanese reissue on TDK records which was remastered and remixed by Mark Stewart and oddly enough now has a guitar solo in Trap. Hard to get used to at first, but kinda nice. My recollection is that guitar solos were just oh-so-70's at the time, which is probably why it was cut. Nothing shoenish about it tho. But there really wasn't a weak Pop Group release. Stewart's solo stuff might prompt more debate. btw - Anyone got a copy of Springer? How is it? Lisa remarked: I'm really into 80's music, slightly embarrassed to say : / I don't know...I just think that the music people keep listening to again and again is the stuff that they listened to during the most happy, carefree times of their lives. Just a theory. I even like the first MINISTRY record, and you know what a crime that is!!!! Only Al J really hates that record. I am with Robert on Twitch - still kinda fun. Particularly the title cut. An the Wax Trax 12" singles release wrapped up a period in clubland quite nicely. But Ministry was allways about affect and effect. The affected brit accent rumours are true, but all of my set in Detroit had the same afflection/affliction (it still shows up in my typing). And for that matter, all the females in our set looked alot like Madonna two years before Material Girl - We all just were not famous. Nostalgia is not entirely a horrible thing - tho last week I picked up a used copy of The Height of Fashion CD (used and cheap) comp which definatly falls under the 'guilty pleasure' catagory. To mitigate this offence I will listen to Endless Summer once more and try to figure out what all the fuss is about. It may just be subtle , but the first two listens flew beneath my radar. on the Echo thread: I rate Crocodiles in my all time top ten. (I think I may have related this before) Crocodiles and U2-Boy arrived in the same new release shipment when I was a record store clerk. Though I didn't dislike Boy, Croc knocked me for a loop and went into heavy rotation for a year or so. My girlfriend at the time, who was far more in tune with the masses, preferred Boy. And Ocean Rain was for me what i was 'looking for'. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:43:41 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:[various and sundry OT] - digest style reply > Nostalgia is not entirely a horrible thing - tho last week I picked up a > used copy of The Height of Fashion CD (used and cheap) comp which definatly > falls under the 'guilty pleasure' catagory. To mitigate this offence I will > listen to Endless Summer once more and try to figure out what all the fuss > is about. It may just be subtle , but the first two listens flew beneath my > radar. Can somebody gave link to Feneszs web-site , if there is one.. someone mentioned Beach Boys in that context.. i dunno, but Hawaii from High Llamas remind me on Beach Boys.. and some Boo Radleys stuff ( what happened with this band..i still have early singles and Everything Is Allright Forever ) > > on the Echo thread: > I rate Crocodiles in my all time top ten. > (I think I may have related this before) > Crocodiles and U2-Boy arrived in the same new release shipment when I was a > record store clerk. > Though I didn't dislike Boy, Croc knocked me for a loop and went into heavy > rotation for a year or so. > My girlfriend at the time, who was far more in tune with the masses, > preferred Boy. > And Ocean Rain was for me what i was 'looking for'. I was thought today all the time about Echo and remembered all that times. I cannot explain how they was important to me ( and still they are..). I still rate them with JD, The Cure, Sound, Comsat Angels, Wire , Modern Eon, Banshees ,Associates and few more as peak of that all late 70's / early 80's happening.. ( and whole 4AD thing ). Also, U2 Boy is among them, i still remember how i was in heaven when i heard Stories For Boys, Twilight and I Will Follow. Same feeling as Crocodiles, still is fresh air...no matter what other think..they was fantastic,hmmm, like Bunnymen first four albums. But, back to Bunnymen, i hailed Mark opinion (as always ) as valid one. Simple they aren' t band anymore...what's the difference between Electrafixion and EATB from What Are..and Flowers, i mean Will & Mac with some guys around.. On Evergreen there was Les , and i think it was new beginning. Some songs try in some strange way to get simplicity of Croc, and cover was tribute to Croc. But, Les was thrown out, and... But, as i said, i like Evergreen & What..also, and i'm glad they're back. I Think those albums are far best than some indie-guitar-hype-bands. That's obvious..!! and Ocean Rain was storming one.. i think i wasn't expected album like that after Porcupine ( and i sadly wasn't expected Grey after Ocean..) Ocean Rain is classic obviously, if i am not wrong album of the year in MM. Dramatic , soft, delicate and still subverse.. Crown Of Thorns rules !!! i was glad and happy that i live when all that happen !!! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:35:39 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Average music hacks controversy - OT >In a message dated 10/11/01 01:20:40 GMT Standard Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > > >> well, yeah, you know ... i was still in best-behavior mode after getting >> back to town from a job interview. looks like i'm headed to montgomery, >> ala., in a couple of weeks to further my career as an average news hack, or >> at least as the metro editor of several average news hacks. > >Congratulations Dan..... if that's the right word ? > Chris probably it is, though from what i gather the music/record-store scene there makes little rock look like paradise, a sobering thought indeed. at least atlanta's only a couple of hours away ... still, man cannot live by unemployment alone, at least not in arkansas. (if only the newport news, va., paper had moved a little faster -- i was told yesterday evening i was one of their top 3 candidates, & they're close to d.c. & several other decently sized metropolitan areas, but what the heck ... a bird in the hand, & all that.) anyway, thanks much. & i thank god (even as a nonbeliever) that internet record-sellers (& mailing lists!) exist. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 11:40:37 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re:[various and sundry OT] - digest style reply >But Ministry was allways about affect and effect. The affected brit accent >rumours are true, >but all of my set in Detroit had the same afflection/affliction (it still >shows up in my typing). hey, i'm told i've never lost this (filtered through a south arkansas accent, of course), even though by this point it's totally unconscious on my part. can't even remember when it started ... by the time i was 19, i remember some college classmate i was helping with a lesson asserting that i wasn't (from around here) ... actually, i was from 17 miles away. by that time, i'd been yowling along to never mind the bollocks, black & white, pure mania, pink flag (of course), power in the darkness, etc for only a few months. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 13:56:13 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curio sity... In a message dated 11/10/01 3:08:51 AM, baltazar@panet.bits.net writes: > > >Anyone into Attrition ? > >I must told you that i listen few of their albums in row through > >all this week ( & will follow through the week-end !! ) i have a few things by them. same story as with most of the waxtrax, etc... i concentrated on the cabs, sev heads, wire, 23 skidoo, i guess you could count new order and section 25 in there for a bit (although they both stuck with the guitars more, as did i with most of my record buying). attrition has a bunch of stuff available online for download. sorry i can't remember an url, but it should come up in a search for "attrition + mp3" cheers, paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:27:42 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... In a message dated 10/11/01 02:52:23 GMT Standard Time, e.klaver@sympatico.ca writes: > It seems that Robert Smith cannot decide what to rip-off... > NewOrder or "in Between Days" so, he mixed in one song.. > Cannot decide which video is worse... > > //////i see the cure are putting out a greatest hits lp for xmas but have > recorded a new single to try and shift a few more copies. er , wasn't the > point of that last tour that the cure were splitting up? correct me if i'm > wrong.......p > > ps low spot of the weekend so far ; seeing limp bizkit covering "faith" > (yes , the george michael one) on totp. words just couldn't describe it..... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:21:29 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... >In a message dated 10/11/01 02:52:23 GMT Standard Time, e.klaver@sympatico.ca >writes: > > >> It seems that Robert Smith cannot decide what to rip-off... >> NewOrder or "in Between Days" so, he mixed in one song.. >> Cannot decide which video is worse... >> >> //////i see the cure are putting out a greatest hits lp for xmas but have >> recorded a new single to try and shift a few more copies. er , wasn't the >> point of that last tour that the cure were splitting up? correct me if i'm >> wrong.......p >> >> ps low spot of the weekend so far ; seeing limp bizkit covering "faith" >> (yes , the george michael one) on totp. words just couldn't describe it..... yeah, but the cure have been breaking up for more than a decade now, so what else is new? i'm told that new cure single is pretty good, but i haven't heard it, & it isn't coming out over here ... my import copy's on order. (poor me -- a cure completist.) the greatest hits is due in the stores tuesday, with the real come-on being a bonus disc of acoustic versions of the hits. as for limp bizkit's cover of faith, i heard that one on the radio a few times back when it was a quasi-hit a couple of years ago. if memory serves, the lead singer sounds rather like robert smith at the beginning, before he starts screaming. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:26:42 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... In a message dated 10/11/01 20:23:14 GMT Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > yeah, but the cure have been breaking up for more than a decade now, so what > else is new? ///sorry but i do snigger at these "farewell tour" stunts. bit status quo really , isn't it? p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:36:48 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... >In a message dated 10/11/01 20:23:14 GMT Standard Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > > >> yeah, but the cure have been breaking up for more than a decade now, so what >> else is new? > >///sorry but i do snigger at these "farewell tour" stunts. bit status quo >really , isn't it? p i do remember the who's farewell show in arizona (not that i went ... at $17.50 or so, tickets were too rich for my blood, & for some reason i've never been more than a moderate fan anyway -- actually, my favorite thing that townshend's ever been involved with was his album with ronnie lane) back in '81 or so. seems to me they've played a few gigs since then. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 15:46:05 EST From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... In a message dated 10/11/01 20:42:29 GMT Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > i do remember the who's farewell show in arizona (not that i went ... at > $17.50 or so, tickets were too rich for my blood, & for some reason i've > never been more than a moderate fan anyway ////you'll have to remind me precisely which farewell tour that was.........p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 14:54:52 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... >In a message dated 10/11/01 20:42:29 GMT Standard Time, >dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > > >> i do remember the who's farewell show in arizona (not that i went ... at >> $17.50 or so, tickets were too rich for my blood, & for some reason i've >> never been more than a moderate fan anyway > >////you'll have to remind me precisely which farewell tour that was.........p oh, yeah -- late '81 or maybe early/mid-'82, shortly after the stones' steel wheel(chair)s tour hit the same venue (sun devil stadium in tempe, about 5 blocks from where i was living). didn't make that one, either ... same then-exorbitant (at least for a grad student) prices. wonder if that was a farewell revue as well? dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:22:26 EST From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... That Who tour was also here in the LA Coliseum (that's how it's spelled out here) and the opening act was the Clash. Great venue except for the obligatory food fight. A few nights later the Clash was at the Palladium and the openers were the English Beat. Again, a great venue and this time no food fight! ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 16:49:16 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... << > yeah, but the cure have been breaking up for more than a decade now, so what > else is new? ///sorry but i do snigger at these "farewell tour" stunts. bit status quo really , isn't it? p >> The Bloodflowers tour was supposed to be the last, but earlier this year they decided (were obliged?) to play a festival that they should have played last year (Roskilde?). The greatest hits is, I believe, a contract-filler, hence the new songs. I think a Fat Bob solo album is in the can. I should imagine ther'll be another live Cure album at some stage - before the reformation tour. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 23:50:44 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] R.E.M.'s Reveal... >Mileta wrote : ><< btw, someone metioned Reveal few days ago, is that one worth it..!!?? >> Mark wrote : >It's very, very lush and mellow, to the point of MOR. It does have >some >good songs though, and grows insidiously. But it's the sound of a >band not >taking any chances. Mileta, that was me. Mark has it pretty well right. some great songs, some quite poor songs. all in all, i'd say get a CDR (or buy a pirate copy like i did on holiday!!). had it not been cheap, i probably wouldn't have bothered buying it...or waited for my library to get a copy!! ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 00:41:23 +0000 From: "ian.s. jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] death of a 'fly' guy as in 'fly in the ointment'... R.I.P. Ken Kesey. ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 18:54:53 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] death of a 'fly' guy damned sorry to hear that ... i was born on his (& hank williams') birthday, as it happens. >as in 'fly in the ointment'... >R.I.P. Ken Kesey. > >ian.s.j. > >_________________________________________________________________ >Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 19:11:41 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... dunno who opened for them in tempe, except that it wasn't the clash, else i'd quite likely have gone. they played the city next door that summer, but i was unemployed & so damned broke that i couldn't even think about the show (if memory serves, by bizarre coincidence the angelic upstarts were playing locally the same night). dan >That Who tour was also here in the LA Coliseum (that's how it's spelled out >here) and the opening act was the Clash. Great venue except for the >obligatory food fight. A few nights later the Clash was at the Palladium and >the openers were the English Beat. Again, a great venue and this time no >food fight! ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 08:13:16 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curio sity... > >Anyone into Attrition ? > > > >I must told you that i listen few of their albums in row through > > > >all this week ( & will follow through the week-end !! ) > > i have a few things by them. same story as with most of the waxtrax, etc... i > concentrated on the cabs, sev heads, wire, 23 skidoo, i guess you could count > new order and section 25 in there for a bit (although they both stuck with > the guitars more, as did i with most of my record buying). attrition has a > bunch of stuff available online for download. sorry i can't remember an url, > but it should come up in a search for "attrition + mp3" > > cheers, > > paul c.d. http://www.attrition.co.uk/ info@attrition.co.uk song downloads www.mp3.com/attrition discussion group http://http://www.thebelfry.net/attrition/ i get CD-R full of Attrition mp3's so i check this out. i remember them from 80's , but didn' t care near all that bands ( some of them you mentioned ) even some of my friends was ecstatic about them.. you can find them in Projekt can, some of releases are 6-7 $ now.. latest one, near many remixes include and " classical " reading, i mean strings, etc, etc... i can tell you that i like it now.. better late than never.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 08:07:44 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... > oh, yeah -- late '81 or maybe early/mid-'82, shortly after the stones' steel > wheel(chair)s tour hit the same venue (sun devil stadium in tempe, about 5 > blocks from where i was living). didn't make that one, either ... same > then-exorbitant (at least for a grad student) prices. wonder if that was a > farewell revue as well? > > dan hey, dan..!! you live in neighbourhood of Mike Van Portfleet of Lycia in that time. he is also big The Who fan.. maybe you know him !! mileta> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 11 Nov 2001 08:05:02 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] R.E.M.'s Reveal... > >Mileta wrote : > ><< btw, someone metioned Reveal few days ago, is that one worth it..!!?? >> > Mark wrote : > >It's very, very lush and mellow, to the point of MOR. It does have >some > >good songs though, and grows insidiously. But it's the sound of a >band not > >taking any chances. > > Mileta, > that was me. Mark has it pretty well right. some great songs, some quite > poor songs. all in all, i'd say get a CDR (or buy a pirate copy like i did > on holiday!!). had it not been cheap, i probably wouldn't have bothered > buying it...or waited for my library to get a copy!! > > ian.s.j. Hmm, pirate copy ( bulgarian ones ) is about 2-3 $ here ... i will search this one, i mean first two singles are kind of relax to me. i wasn' t expect anything spectacular from REM, but also i think they are not under pressure of music industry. fans & " fans " will buy anything, isn' t it !? last few albums was like that, you heard the single and think hmm, not bad.. maybe i should check this one, and suddenly out is second single and one can think-hmm, good, they play on safe, but it's good... so, walk and buy album and find what both of you described.. thanx.. mileta > > _________________________________________________________________ > Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #340 *******************************