From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #338 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, November 10 2001 Volume 04 : Number 338 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: GbV Peel Session ["bartvandamme@home" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: boredoms ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] [idealcopy] OT: Thurston and The Boredoms [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] Q for Miles [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: boredoms [John Roberts ] Re: [ot][jrock][idealcopy]but seriously... ["r\)\(0\)\(m" ] Re: [idealcopy] Average music hacks controversy - OT ["dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: GbV Peel Session >> Guided By Voices - John Peel Session Dec.'99 (up there with the Slits >>> sessions...) >> >> Both on one cd Ian? [I'm getting very greedy now] > > indeed you are!!!!! ;) > my 'cassette tape' of the session is currently in the hands of a lad in > Cardiff, who has transferred it all onto MP3 and posted it all on GBV's > 'postal-blowfish' site. just type that into your search engine and you > should find it quite easily!!!! did you know about this site?the fans who > subscribe to the mailing group are pretty cool but you're going to have to > deal with a whole lot of extra mail!!!!! > > best wishes, ian.s.j. Ian, Thnxalot, I've just subscribed... curious... BTW, have you seen the GbV song title generator [v2.0] yet? http://club.univac.tripod.com/joe/center-gbvsonggen.html thnx again, Bart www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl bart@adrem.nl icq: 106821124 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:51:31 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] New s*bscriber > Hello everyone! > Lisa/Philadelphia Hi Lisa, Chirpy enough, I would say! Welcome! Bart www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 11:39:29 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Early 80s indie-dance comp questions > Any Pop Group LPs to recommend?..or are they all out of print? Don't know if it's still around, but I always liked "Y" the best. perhaps check http://ccwf.cc.utexas.edu/~edge/pop_group Cheers, Bart www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl icq: 106821124 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 11:55:07 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Echo Bunny B'dum Mileta wrote: > personally, i am very sad that i lose somehow Killing Moon > 12" with that all night version, full of pathos, but... > when i look back it seems that grey album was in fact " difficult > second album for them ". > they close one stage of career after Ocean Rain, even if all those > albums sound different, and try to put some " pop" music more > explicit in their sound. > " Bring On The Dancing Horses" was good opener, but... Somewhere I got a great version of Killing Moon by one of my fav bands, the late Pavement [now why the hell did they have to break up?!] They mixed it up with some c-c-cucumbers & c-c-cabbages.......wich was nice. I believe it was a B-side or somrthing... Cheers, Bart www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl icq: 106821124 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 06:41:26 -0600 From: "r\)\(0\)\(m" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:BG (and other interesting items) for sale marc macnulty, a fan who has taken over blue plate records in the event of the untimely death of it's gounder has a sale list with some nice items which might interest more than one of you http://platelunch.org/sale.html ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 06:56:30 -0600 From: "r\)\(0\)\(m" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: boredoms milleta asked: > wasn' t Boredoms been Thurston Moore's favourite band !? i thought that was shonen knife, no jim o'rourke, no tom verlaine damn - thurston has us *all* out-hipped boredoms are a mixed bag - one never knows exactly what they will be up to next, but it whatever it is, they are less likely to have a hit than say, chumbawumba ^_- many of their releases are easily found stateside on warnerwss, tho the re-bore series is exclusivly japanese and always expensive when sighted here being that they are on a majar label, if you cannot find them in your favorite ma and pa store, special orders should be a cinch i echo graeme's ooioo rec most fun looping ever not sure 'bout fennesz and ae neither does great things for me np at this end marcus guenter's in-moll shonen knife - super mix (good morning , shonen knife pleez) and late to *this* party, i have recently discovered yo la tengo (i got it!) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:08:47 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: boredoms > milleta asked: > > wasn' t Boredoms been Thurston Moore's favourite band !? > i thought that was shonen knife, no jim o'rourke, no tom verlaine > damn - thurston has us *all* out-hipped once i saw Thurston in some tv statement, where he point finger at Boredoms as favourite band. Some time later i read somewhere same thing, but..Thurston always seems to me kind of manipulator, and when i saw 1991-The Year Punk Broke i decide nnot to pay attention more to their statements and interviews, in fact somehow lose my interest for them.. i know, i know..it's only r'n'r ( ha, ha..stupid thing !!) but cannot stand them make a fools in such a stupid way. of course, lost touch with their music ( btw, can somebody told me are albums after Goo worth a chasing, i like previous ones very much and know them in every inch..). also, after Thurston description of Boredoms i make apicture that is japanese band sound like Napalm Death sleep on halfway To Chrome !! hmm, can anything be like that..? still keep my collection of MTV 120 minutes when Sonic Youth choose videos.. and also owned 1991, i get it as birthday gift from my mate who live in Moscow then ( he bough it there, and think that Nirvana video will be too iritating for me !! ) so, i keep it as souvenir, affraid to see, even there are Ramones, Babes In Toyland ( i like them ) mileta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 16:30:41 +0100 From: "bartvandamme@home" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: boredoms > still keep my collection of MTV 120 minutes when Sonic Youth choose > videos.. Damn, I missed THAT one... any good? I still got the Frank Black one though, wich I still like a lot... Cheers, Bart www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl icq: 106821124 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 08:49:18 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Thurston and The Boredoms >wasn' t Boredoms been Thurston Moore's favourite band !? > >mileta Well, he's man w/ a lot of favorites, but yes, he's a big fan. They (Sonic Youth and at least one person from the Boredoms) did an ep together called T. V. Shit. Mostly tapes of various records (including Johnny Cash) and everyone just screaming as loud and hard as they can (literally). Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:43:32 -0500 From: "Lisa Beatrice Kolman" Subject: [idealcopy] Q for Miles ...Welcome, Lisa! Hope you enjoy your stay! It's good to see someone else who holds the '80s Wire in high esteem... Hey Miles, forgive me for being out of the loop, but is the 80's Wire not regarded as highly as other decades? I'm really into 80's music, slightly embarrassed to say : / I don't know...I just think that the music people keep listening to again and again is the stuff that they listened to during the most happy, carefree times of their lives. Just a theory. I even like the first MINISTRY record, and you know what a crime that is!!!! Lisa ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:04:48 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Q for Miles In a message dated 11/9/01 9:54:40 AM Central Standard Time, lisa@lisabugg.com writes: << forgive me for being out of the loop, but is the 80's Wire not regarded as highly as other decades?>>>>> well there are definately those who prefer the more punk sounding late 70's material <<>>> Lisa, you shouldn't be, there was a lot of great music in the 80's no matter what people say....most people that are so against 80's music were only exposed to the CRAP.... <<<<..I just think that the music people keep listening to again and again is the stuff that they listened to during the most happy, carefree times of their lives. >>>>> yes, good point....that subject has been discussed on these boards recently <<<< Just a theory. I even like the first MINISTRY record, and you know what a crime that is!!!!>>>>> and so do i !!! Al Jourgensen refuses to acknowledge that record as part of his ouvre..Did you ever see the videos for Effigy or Revenge?..they are pretty cool...HAHAHAHA i remember reading old magazines where Al claimed he British and Cuban !!!! AHAHAHAH He even tried to speak with a British accent ....By the way, my favorite Ministry album is Twitch...i like it all the way through and largely because of Adrian Sherwood's involvement... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 08:13:41 -0800 (PST) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: boredoms I saw Shonen Knife support Nirvana at Birmingham Hummingbird. I don't know if the Knife normally got to play such a long set - they perhaps did this night cos Nirvana were jetting up to Birmingham at the time as it was the night when they recorded Teen Spirit for TOTP and the audience were getting pretty restless I can tell you - but it was unfunny after one song. Shonen Knife are meant to be taken seriously. Discuss. (And Nirvana played for about 40 mins. Corporate whores.) John Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 10:33:56 -0600 From: "r\)\(0\)\(m" Subject: Re: [ot][jrock][idealcopy]but seriously... > Shonen Knife are meant to be taken seriously. > Discuss. rock'n'roll is to be taken seriously? shonen knife ROCK (thus ends my optinion) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:44:34 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Thurston and The Boredoms : [idealcopy] OT: Thurston and The Boredoms > >wasn' t Boredoms been Thurston Moore's favourite band !? > > > >mileta > > Well, he's man w/ a lot of favorites, but yes, he's a big fan. They (Sonic > Youth and at least one person from the Boredoms) did an ep together called > T. V. Shit. Mostly tapes of various records (including Johnny Cash) and > everyone just screaming as loud and hard as they can (literally). Is he one in Sonic Youth with that large records collection, last time i read some of interviews he said that he owned more than 3.000 records...!!?? I like it in his statements when he admit he is a big fan, and ke KNOW much about band.. still remember that Ian Astbury interview when he told what happened when he first time heard Hendrix ( after first SDC album ). He said- I ask a friend when will Hendrix came to your UK !!?? Unless he's lying ( who knows ) i was always in wonder why people want to look stupid in public in that way !!?? Well, after Swanic & Ciccone Youth, why they didn' t call EP Boredom Youth.. after Goo and some things i expected C(r)a(r)penters Youth... btw, what happened with Lydia Lunch ?? i still have some Robert Kern short-movies in which Lydia acting. Porn stars are teenage girls compared to her, after i saw that movies ( gun into vagina, etc, etc..) Sorry !!! > > Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:35:59 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: boredoms > > still keep my collection of MTV 120 minutes when Sonic Youth choose > > videos.. > > Damn, I missed THAT one... any good? > I still got the Frank Black one though, wich I still like a lot... > > Cheers, > > Bart in fact wasn' t one.. they choose music in two weeks... i will search i put a list of theirs favourite.. one week they was in studio, other ones stroll through some docks, etc, etc... Frank Black, i have that one as Nick Cave ones too !! Frank choose pretentious 80's pop bands, and fro one of them told " it's one of my favourites videos ".. hmm, who can it be !!?? i will say that near band members actors are ones like in new Weezer video ( islands in a sun ) and i think that many of Wire list members adore them ( actors, not bands..) mileta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 10:04:47 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Thurston and The Boredoms >Is he one in Sonic Youth with that large records collection, last time i >read >some of interviews he said that he owned more than 3.000 records...!!?? Yep. There's a picture of some of them on the "Washing Machine" sleeve. MF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:30:39 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: boredoms > > ( btw, can somebody told me are > > albums after Goo worth a chasing, i like previous ones very much and > > know them in every inch..). > > I think the most interesting album after Goo is Dirty. It's not as good, but > the quality is constant troughout the album. It's a little bit more popish > also, but still noisy. After that, there's some good moments on each albums > (specially A 100 Leaves) but the entire albums are not so good. hmmm, my mistake is that i complete forgot about Dirty.. i owned it a long time ago.. 100%. Sugar Cane etc, etc.. > > If you want the more interesting/more experimental stuff, you'll have to check > their 4 LP's on their own SYR records. At my sense, that's where the real > Sonic Youth stuff is. i heard about SYR records ( some said, it's a session(s), i dunno !! ) after so many years, i will 'chase' again SY thanx, in any case.. cheers mileta > > Francis ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:39:42 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Thurston and The Boredoms > >Is he one in Sonic Youth with that large records collection, last time i > >read > >some of interviews he said that he owned more than 3.000 records...!!?? > > Yep. There's a picture of some of them on the "Washing Machine" sleeve. I wasn' t see that.. is some of records recognizible !? Beasty Boys, Madonna...Beck !! It will be interesting to check is some Wire record(s) there. I cannot be sure does i will told truth , if i said that Thurston once spoke about Outdoor Miner or it was someone else ), but i for sure read that he mentioned The Fall so many, many times.. It will be funny to recognize Dragnet, Live At Witch Trials or... surely there are Madonna ones !!! Who knows!!?? But i will be interested in Lee Ranaldo and Shelley taste(s) , also. > > MF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 09 Nov 2001 11:10:19 -0600 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Thurston and The Boredoms >I wasn' t see that.. >is some of records recognizible !? No, it's just a polaroid at a distance. You can't see what they are. As Bruce remixed a track on T M's Root album, it's safe to say he's familiar w/ solo BG, and almost certainly he has Wire albums. But my understanding is that most of his collection is avant/improv jazz (which is his main pursuit now as a musician). MF ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:41:04 +0100 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Electronic > It has some very good and also some very weak songs on it. > The best Electronic cd is, IMHO, the first one. > > FrankfromBavaria Hey Frank, did you hear new The Cure single " Cut Here ". I notice that music video-channel " Viva Zwei " show Cut Here & video for 60 Miles An Hour ( New Order ) in row.. ha, ha.. it seems like that New Order has two singles with two different-line-up.. It seems that Robert Smith cannot decide what to rip-off... NewOrder or "in Between Days" so, he mixed in one song.. Cannot decide which video is worse... that guy who play bear scientists in 60 miles an hour can compete for worse actor ever ( if u excluded mexican tele-novelas ). why they make videos at all... do they think they will make a " revolution " in video department as Fatboy Slim or .... i think they don' t think..!? at all !! confusion video looks like Citizien Kane or Bunuel compared to 60 miles an hour.. i agree with you about Electronic ( apart from 3rd i haven' t heard ) was very disappointed with Raise The Pressure, IMO b-sides of Forbidden City was better than whole album.Shame, i expected so much.. btw, Johnny Marr work with Pet Shop Boys on new album. New one will be if is to believed more guitar oriented.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 11:48:53 -0800 (PST) From: Felton Frog-Mon Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curio sity... Well, overall, I have to say that 2K1 was a pretty bleak year for music! As far as releases from the year I am still listening to: Skinny Puppy - Back and Forth, Series V Depeche Mode - Exciter Poe - Haunted Tom Waits - Used Songs (yeah, I know it's a best of, but...) Kind of a short list, but maybe 2002 will work out better. Perhaps the new KMFDM album will perk me up! RJH Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:59:49 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Conrad Schnitzler/Coil Wow....i have been listening to "Charred Machinery" by Conrad Schnitzler and it's amazing how the first track: "Symphonia Mecanica" sounds so similar to "Queens of the Circulating Library" "Time Machines" or "Constant Shallowness" by Coil !!!! Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 16:17:36 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curio sity... >Well, overall, I have to say that 2K1 was a pretty >bleak year for music! > >As far as releases from the year I am still listening >to: > >Skinny Puppy - Back and Forth, Series V >Depeche Mode - Exciter >Poe - Haunted >Tom Waits - Used Songs (yeah, I know it's a best of, >but...) > >Kind of a short list, but maybe 2002 will work out >better. Perhaps the new KMFDM album will perk me up! not that one can go by such things, but people on the kmfdm list are saying that the mp3 samples from the new one are quite bad (i can't play them myself because i lost all sound capabilities when i installed my printer, & i haven't taken the time to rectify the situation). supposedly, en esch's slick idiot cd is everything the new kmfdm *should* be, but i haven't heard it, either. dan > >RJH >Find a job, post your resume. >http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 14:30:56 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: [OT] Shonen Knife (was Re: [idealcopy] Re: boredoms) >Shonen Knife are meant to be taken seriously. >Discuss. > Yes, they are. They are not a comedy act. If people find them funny, that's their problem. (^_^) What I love about Shonen Knife is that they play 60's garage rock, in a totally unselfconscious way, and sing about the things that matter to them. If a song like "Twist Barbie" seems odd, that's a reflection of Western Culture as seen through an outsider's eyes. It's like taking a puzzle apart and putting it back together in an odd, cool way. Or, maybe I'm reading too much into this. (^_^) Some of the most fun I've had at rock concerts were at their shows. There was this one show where, right in the middle of the set, they took out cheap, tourist cameras, and snapped pictures of us from the stage. This was at Moe's in Seattle, and numerous Seattle rock celebrities were in attendance. Unfortunately, Shonen Knife is now a duo. Although their PowerPuff Girls track "I'm a super girl" sounds like traditional Shonen Knife, their latest album "Strawberry Sound" has more synthesizers in the mix, and isn't quite as innocent. Still, if you're a fan, it's pretty good. Cheers, Paul* * who I bet you never knew was a huge Shonen Knife fan...(^_^) ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:32:33 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curio sity... In a message dated 11/9/01 4:17:52 PM Central Standard Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: << not that one can go by such things, but people on the kmfdm list are saying that the mp3 samples from the new one are quite bad (i can't play them myself because i lost all sound capabilities when i installed my printer, & i haven't taken the time to rectify the situation). supposedly, en esch's slick idiot cd is everything the new kmfdm *should* be, but i haven't heard it, either. >> i'm not sure what it is, but i never really got into KMFDM..except for Rip The System...I went through a period of time where i loved most of that Wax Trax/Nettwerk/Play it Again Sam/ stuff but they never really did it for me....some of the things that i still think are kinda cool from that period are: A Split Second - From the Inside all early Front 242 (up to Tragedy for You) Skinny Puppy (everything up to Too Dark Park...don't like all of that album and nothing past that) Ministry - Twitch odds and ends by Neon Judgement...Click Click...Borghesia...Trisome 21.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:44:26 EST From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curio sity... In a message dated 11/9/01 4:34:01 PM Central Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com writes: << i'm not sure what it is, but i never really got into KMFDM..except for Rip The System...I went through a period of time where i loved most of that Wax Trax/Nettwerk/Play it Again Sam/ stuff but they never really did it for me....some of the things that i still think are kinda cool from that period are: A Split Second - From the Inside all early Front 242 (up to Tragedy for You) Skinny Puppy (everything up to Too Dark Park...don't like all of that album and nothing past that) Ministry - Twitch odds and ends by Neon Judgement...Click Click...Borghesia...Trisome 21.... Robert >> OOPS! I almost forget the best: the SEVERED HEADS!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 18:26:47 EST From: Hatsephsut@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Average music hacks controversy - OT In a message dated 11/8/01 3:34:40 AM Central Standard Time, owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: << always nice to have a person of superior taste tell me that i'm an "average music hack" (last year, the top-10 list i published in my former newspaper ran thus -- mekons/fall/go-betweens/dandy warhols/alabama 3/mdfmk/chumbawamba/electric hellfire club/murder city devils/amy rigby ... obviously, i'm too weak-minded to get much out of electronica or whatever it's being called this week) because i like the strokes' album a lot . >> well, let's analyze this - he didn't swear, not always a good sign with Dan - he did go on and talk about some other stuff, it wasn't a one liner, so that's a plus - he knows he's anything but average when it comes to music - hhhmmm - think I'll choose to go with he might have injected a bit of sarcasm but overall not necessarily an entirely ungoodnatured post as *Dan* posts go - - yes, that's it I'm decided - I give it a 10 for making a point, a 10 for content, another 10 for musical taste, I do have to go with a 5 for clarity of purpose, but he'll make the save on extra points with a 15 just for being Dan - I should knock off some points for NOT swearing, no one swears like Dan - - sends chills up and down every time :-P Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 15:56:47 -0800 (PST) From: Felton Frog-Mon Subject: [idealcopy] OT...KMFDM Sucks(?) Greetings~ > << not that one can go by such things, but people on > the kmfdm list are saying > that the mp3 samples from the new one are quite bad > (i can't play them > myself because i lost all sound capabilities when i > installed my printer, & > i haven't taken the time to rectify the situation). I downloaded the clips and listened to them when they were posted. The single 'Boots' is a cover of the Nancy Sinatra song....sounded pretty lame. USSA sounded OK. They were only 20 seconds, so not the best way to hear a song. On the KMFDM site, Sascha mentioned that those songs will be on a single, and not on the full album due next year. That bodes well for the album, I think. > supposedly, en esch's > slick idiot cd is everything the new kmfdm *should* > be, but i haven't heard > it, either. Haven't been able to find it either! I'd like to hear it as I like En Esch's voice and Guenter Schultz' guitar work. RJH Find a job, post your resume. http://careers.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:42:11 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Average music hacks controversy - OT well, yeah, you know ... i was still in best-behavior mode after getting back to town from a job interview. looks like i'm headed to montgomery, ala., in a couple of weeks to further my career as an average news hack, or at least as the metro editor of several average news hacks. (as is so often the case, it seems, i tend to care more passionately about music than our music hacks & about sports -- well, certain of 'em -- than our sports hacks.) dan >In a message dated 11/8/01 3:34:40 AM Central Standard Time, >owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org writes: > ><< always nice to have a person of superior taste tell me that i'm an "average > music hack" (last year, the top-10 list i published in my former newspaper > ran thus -- mekons/fall/go-betweens/dandy warhols/alabama > 3/mdfmk/chumbawamba/electric hellfire club/murder city devils/amy rigby ... > obviously, i'm too weak-minded to get much out of electronica or whatever > it's being called this week) because i like the strokes' album a lot . >> > >well, let's analyze this - he didn't swear, not always a good sign with Dan - >he did go on and talk about some other stuff, it wasn't a one liner, so >that's a plus - he knows he's anything but average when it comes to music - >hhhmmm - think I'll choose to go with he might have injected a bit of sarcasm >but overall not necessarily an entirely ungoodnatured post as *Dan* posts go >- yes, that's it I'm decided - I give it a 10 for making a point, a 10 for >content, another 10 for musical taste, I do have to go with a 5 for clarity >of purpose, but he'll make the save on extra points with a 15 just for being >Dan - I should knock off some points for NOT swearing, no one swears like Dan >- sends chills up and down every time :-P > >Laurel ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:34:38 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Early 80s indie-dance comp questions Tim, << Oops! Its 'Sluggin For Jesus'. I think I like that period of Cabs stuff best. When they started getting to grips with technology, getting a bit funky but not quite so sequenced as Crackdown era, but still sounding really weird. 'Eight Crepuscule Tracks' is my favourite CV album. >> It's really consistent right through to Crackdown. Around 82 they were phenomenal live too, with a live drummer on most tracks. There was a whole album's worth of material that never saw the light of day around that time. After that I think they became too immersed in technology, the albums got slicker and less interesting for me. As an album, Red Mecca is their peak for me. >Not the best version - the definitive (of three) KSWs is the one on Sextet >with Martha Tilson on vocals, not Donald Johnson. I like the 7" version best....another Factory top 10 hit that never was...<< From 82-onwards ACR just fell between two stools - too weird for chart action, too slick for the indie kids... >Totally. Such as the Chemical brothers complete (and uncredited) lift of the >Coup bassline. Blimey it is as well. I always thought Chem Bros were the electronic equivalent of Status Quo....(One trick ponies with bad hair)<< Not subtle is it? Too much bluster... >>Any Pop Group LPs to recommend?..or are they all out of print?<< Spectacularly hard to find. Y is great but I prefer We are time. There's one on Netsounds for not a lot of money... >>Got it, signed by Martin, Jez & Donald! I was an ACR fan for years (from my younger days as a New Order fan) but a lot of the other alt-funk stuff is new to me.<< An original cassette in the plastic wallet? Nice thing, shame about Factory's cheapo tape supplier. The thing tries to self destruct - I had to very carefully back it up onto a decent tape. Thankfully it got a CD release a few years back. >>I thought that track sounded a bit like Sextet era ACR...I think its the wailing trumpets and the bass. I've always been a bit scared of Throbbing Gristle!<< Genuinely scary live experience. Used ultra-low and high frequencies to make the audience nauseous etc, while showing a film of a mock castration. Which was nice. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 17:59:45 -0600 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curio sity... >In a message dated 11/9/01 4:34:01 PM Central Standard Time, RLynn9@aol.com >writes: > ><< i'm not sure what it is, but i never really got into KMFDM..except for Rip > The System...I went through a period of time where i loved most of that Wax > Trax/Nettwerk/Play it Again Sam/ stuff but they never really did it for > me....some of the things that i still think are kinda cool from that period > are: > > A Split Second - From the Inside > all early Front 242 (up to Tragedy for You) > Skinny Puppy (everything up to Too Dark Park...don't like all of that album > and nothing past that) > Ministry - Twitch > odds and ends by Neon Judgement...Click Click...Borghesia...Trisome 21.... > > Robert >> > >OOPS! I almost forget the best: the SEVERED HEADS!!!! whereas none of those bands -- except for ministry -- ever did a thing for me (though in all fairness i've yet to play my recently acquired click click & t21 vinyl). the only other wax trax band i've ever been passionate about was pre-sexplosion thrill kill kult. & i've probably noted before that by putting out what i regard as something like 10 superlative albums in the late '80s & '90s, they pretty much qualified as a wonder of nature. dan ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:39:01 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curiosity... Oh, if only it was the live set from the Venue, Victoria, June 82... Mark << This comp is just the 12" A Sides I think. However, there is also a 3 CD Box Set coming out at the same time called 'Conform to Deform', which looks rather splendid and does have both of those B sides you mention, plus loads of unreleased stuff from the Virgin/EMI era, a new version of Just Fascination and a Live set from Edinburgh in 1990. Looks wicked! >> ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:52:37 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Echo Bunny B'dum Graeme, << Pete de Freitas was a very inventive drummer (especially on Heaven Up Here) and maybe his absence accounts for the mediocrity they've churned out since he died. >> Totally agree. Pete was the dominant musical element in the Bunnymen's sound (certainly live). Just motored along. Lame session men will not do. Personally I still rate Crocodiles as the best of their albums. All indie guitar bands should be forced to listen to all 37 minutes of it and then decide whether they should continue down their chosen profession, or go and get a job in the bank instead. (are you listening, Starsailor?) Then I'd go Ocean Rain, Porcupie and Heaven up Here. The only problem I have with HUH is that many of the tracks were played much better on Peel sessions. One of the best Peel bands, the Bunnies. Always tried out new stuff. They used Peel sessions as demos, which was as brave as it was fascinating. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 20:58:05 EST From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curiosity... Mileta, << btw, someone metioned Reveal few days ago, is that one worth it..!!?? >> It's very, very lush and mellow, to the point of MOR. It does have some good songs though, and grows insidiously. But it's the sound of a band not taking any chances. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:25:51 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: [idealcopy] Severed Heads and Autechre RLynn9@aol.com: OOPS! I almost forget the best: the SEVERED HEADS!!!! /////////////////////////// by being lumped in with those bands I don't think they got the full respect they deserve. A lot of Autechre reminds me of early Severed Heads which is why I have a hard time subscribing to the view of the band being so original. Eric in Toronto who likes Autechre but loves Severed Heads. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:47:09 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... Felton Frog-Mon: Poe - Haunted Mileta Okiljevic: It seems that Robert Smith cannot decide what to rip-off... NewOrder or "in Between Days" so, he mixed in one song.. Cannot decide which video is worse... ///////////////// I saw Lloyd Cole's one man show last night. I know this will draw fire but he was bang on phenomenal. He did a 2+ hour set starting with "Heartbroken". The masterful stroke of playing this delicate song to start a onemanoneacousticguitar set assured the audience's wrapt attention for the rest of the set. He broke into "in between days" for a couple of bars saying something approaching "I like the Cure's music.. it's the band I can do without." He actually had good running commentary throughout though, as usual, Toronto was as "polite" (read unresponsive) as a Japanese audience. I am assuming the Poe that Mr. Frog-Mon refers to is the David onemanoneacousticguitarheldupbyashinylaser-etchedstrapthatonlypalestobigbrig htteeth Poe from NYC that opened for Lloyd. Boy was he tedious. Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 21:53:36 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curiosity... Tim: 1. Fennesz - Endless Summer //////////// gotta try this guy 2. Autechre - Confield //////////// read my post re:severed heads 3. Stereolab - Sound Dust (Not popular on this list....but number 3 in my house) ///////////// I have heard it and I have to get it. 10. Number ten is reserved for the forthcoming Cabaret Voltaire compilation, "The Original Sound of Sheffield", due on Christmas Eve. (its all the 12" single mixes from the Virgin era). ///////////// very excited about this one. Eric in Toronto who is still compiling his list ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 19:08:57 -0800 From: Paul Pietromonaco Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... >Felton Frog-Mon: >Poe - Haunted > >I am assuming the Poe that Mr. Frog-Mon refers to is the David >onemanoneacousticguitarheldupbyashinylaser-etchedstrapthatonlypalestobi gbrig >htteeth Poe from NYC that opened for Lloyd. Boy was he tedious. > Pardon me for jumping in here, but it's not David Poe. This is a female artist. Bio here: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Byrf1zfi7eh6k Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 9 Nov 2001 22:21:26 EST From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curio sity... In a message dated 11/9/01 8:37:39 PM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: >I went through a period of time where i loved most of that >Wax >> Trax/Nettwerk/Play it Again Sam/ stuff but they never really did it for >> me....some of the things that i still think are kinda cool from that >period >> are: >> >> A Split Second - From the Inside >> all early Front 242 (up to Tragedy for You) >> Skinny Puppy (everything up to Too Dark Park...don't like all of that >album >> and nothing past that) >> Ministry - Twitch >> odds and ends by Neon Judgement...Click Click...Borghesia...Trisome 21.... >> > >> Robert >> >> >>OOPS! I almost forget the best: the SEVERED HEADS!!!! > > >whereas none of those bands -- except for ministry -- ever did a thing >for >me (though in all fairness i've yet to play my recently acquired click >click >& t21 vinyl). the only other wax trax band i've ever been passionate about >was pre-sexplosion thrill kill kult i have twitch on tape. liked it at the time but don't listen to tapes too of ten so it kinda got lost in the ol' cardboard box o' tapes..."i wanted to tell her" is a great song, i don't care what anybody says :o) but i haven't listened to that album in a very long time either. i was very busy buying cabaret voltaire and severed heads records (um, and wire!) back in the mid to late 80's, so i didn't get into a whole lot else of that type of stuff. i remember my friend playing a bunch of stuff i thought was cool. he was big into adrian sherwood for a while. i liked revolting cocks, 400 blows, and colourbox best out of all the things he played for me. i have some of those on tape, and of course being the collector type that i am, i started buying colourbox stuff mostly cuz they were on 4ad...although there's a lot of cool stuff on that album with the bruce lee samples and that song "they walk in the streets" which makes me laugh every time, hehe <---see...that's me chuckling just thinking about it. 3 greats from the height of my mid 80's spending: cabaret voltaire-sensoria/microphonies severed heads-goodbye tonsils/city slab horror wire-snakedrill/ideal copy i've got my listening planned out for this weekend - -paul ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:12:06 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Eardrumbuz@aol.com Sent: Friday, November 09, 2001 10:21 PM To: idealcopy@smoe.org Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curio sity... In a message dated 11/9/01 8:37:39 PM, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: cabaret voltaire-sensoria/microphonies severed heads-goodbye tonsils/city slab horror wire-snakedrill/ideal copy i've got my listening planned out for this weekend - -paul /////////////////////////////////// add a few omd b sides and ABIAC to the mix and you've got my fave 80s stuff have a great weekend paul Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 10 Nov 2001 00:12:08 -0500 From: "Eric Klaver" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisfy my whimsical curio sity... >I am assuming the Poe that Mr. Frog-Mon refers to is the David >onemanoneacousticguitarheldupbyashinylaser-etchedstrapthatonlypalestobi gbrig >htteeth Poe from NYC that opened for Lloyd. Boy was he tedious. > Pardon me for jumping in here, but it's not David Poe. This is a female artist. Bio here: http://www.allmusic.com/cg/amg.dll?p=amg&sql=Byrf1zfi7eh6k Cheers, Paul ////////////////////////////////// No, pardon me. Thank for the clarification Paul Eric in Toronto ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #338 *******************************