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idealcopy-digest      Thursday, November 8 2001      Volume 04 : Number 336



                               Today's Subjects:
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  [idealcopy] OT: downtown 81/Early 80s comp               [WireI2XU@aol.com]
  Re: [idealcopy] d. harry [was New Order on Jools Holland's Later]  [WireI2]
  Re: [idealcopy] OT: Early 80s indie-dance comp questions  [John Roberts <j]
  Re: [idealcopy] OT: Early 80s indie-dance comp questions  [MarkBursa@aol.c]
  [idealcopy] A funny thing happened on the way to the Wire this morning...  ["Paul Pietromonaco" <paulp@wrq.co]
  [idealcopy] Re: Lycia        ["Mileta Okiljevic" <baltazar@panet.bits.net>]
  Re: [idealcopy] d. harry [was New Order on Jools Holland's Later]  [PaulRa]
  Re: [idealcopy] d. harry/HGH   ["ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmail.com>]
  Re: [idealcopy] OT: downtown 81/Early 80s comp  ["Alyce Ornella" <alchea@h]
  Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curiosity...  [Tim <timrobinson@cwcom.net]
  Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curiosity...  ["dan bailey" <dpbailey@worldnet.att.net]
  AW: [idealcopy]   OT  Electronic  [Woerner Frank <Frank.Woerner@nbg.sbs.de]

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 04:44:08 EST
From: WireI2XU@aol.com
Subject: [idealcopy] OT: downtown 81/Early 80s comp

i'm sure it's been brought up before, but i've just seen the film <A 
HREF="http://www.downtown81.com">downtown 81</A> +, having seen tuxedomoon + 
the like mentioned here previously, wondered if anyone had been able to get 
the soundtrack...?  the curators mentioned something about it being 
unavailable at the first showing, but it seems to be on normal backorder 
schedules for most online shops.  

will my heart be broken?

also i'm still wide-eyed at the film itself, especially walter 
'blinking-eyes, biorhythm-controlled violin' steding.  please continue this 
on- or off-list as anyone sees fit.

timrobinson@cwcom.net writes:
<< Pop Group "She is Beyond Good & Evil"
...Kind of an early 80s proto-dance music thing >>

i like thinking of this writhing screaming song as 'danzemusik'.  can you 
imagine?

a l l i s o n

i would love to have people see what i see i would love to
be a pillar of strength in my community a little order a 
little grace something new to fill up this place 

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 05:18:41 EST
From: WireI2XU@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] d. harry [was New Order on Jools Holland's Later]

iansjackson@hotmail.com writes:

<< Barney's dodgy stage antics are getting towards Debbie Harry's 
 'pissed Auntie at a wedding' comeback gigs... >>

don't write her off yet.  she's apparently been taking HGH + is looking far 
more lithe than the blondie gig i attended two years ago [which was in fact a 
bit 'pissed auntie'].  i met her last weekend + she looked stunning...despite 
the fact that she was wearing a scrunchie + sandals, which is really a lot to 
overcome to begin with.

a l l i s o n

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 07:29:29 -0800 (PST)
From: John Roberts <johnroberts_stats@yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Early 80s indie-dance comp questions

Tim

Slits.  You ought to see the footage on this Punk: The
Early Years video I've got.  (Go here:
http://screenedge.com/ and type Punk Early Years in
the search engine - there's actually a lot of stuff on
here inc Nico, TG, etc. vids a lot of you might be
interested in).  I've recently played the Slits vid to
a lot of my students on a Popular Culture course and
frightened the living daylights out of them.  

Concorde track was by And The Native Hipsters.

Cheers

John


- --- Tim <timrobinson@cwcom.net> wrote:
> Slits track...can't stand 
> that kind of "cute iccle girly" vocal....were they
> anything to do with that 
> bloody awful  'There Goes Concorde Again' record?
Find a job, post your resume.
http://careers.yahoo.com

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 13:17:56 EST
From: MarkBursa@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: Early 80s indie-dance comp questions

Tim,

<< Kind of an early 80s proto-dance music thing. Probably old news to a lot 
of 
 you but mostly unheard for me (except for League, ACR and Cabs)<<

It's a pretty good selection of the more commercial end of early 80s 
alt-funk. They've picked well-lknown tracks by each artiste (which Cabs track 
BTW? You've put KSW twice. Crackdown possibly?)

>> All great stuff, (and very nice to have to get 12" version of Knife Slits 
 Water on CD)...<<

Not the best version - the definitive (of three) KSWs is the one on Sextet 
with Martha Tilson on vocals, not Donald Johnson.

>>and easy to see the influence of a lot of this stuff on 
 current electronica/dance music.<<

Totally. Such as the Chemical brothers complete (and uncredited) lift of the 
Coup bassline.

>> , except for the Slits track...can't stand 
 that kind of "cute iccle girly" vocal....<<

ye gods I wouldn't call the Slite "cute iccle girlies". Not if I wanted to 
have children. 
In the beginning...is admittedly after their best stuff. Get the Peel 
sessions and Cut for the motherlode.

Still the Slits don't sit well on this compilation, being more influenced by 
dub than funk. I'd have stuck some Clock DVA on there instead, or PiL's Death 
Disco. And I'd have left the Human League off.

>>were they anything to do with that  bloody awful  'There Goes Concorde 
Again' record?<<

As has already been mentioned , that was by ..and the native hipsters. 
Enjoyably trippy at the time, though only for the first couple of listens.
 
 >>Also can't help noticing the fact that all these tracks sound a bit like 
 ACR...even the TG one. I know some of you were around at the time and were 
into this stuff, Were ACR ripping all these other artists off or was it ACR 
who were the 
 pioneers?  >>

Don't think anyone was ripping anyone off. Everything seemd to develop in 
local scenes. The first real alt-funk band was the Pop Group. Beyond god and 
evil was made when ACR were still like a drummerless Joy Division. I guess 
the Pop Group would have been a pointer for ACR. their sound was very 
limited. But the common link with them and 23 Skidoo was they were all disco 
kids who were into funk pre-punk. 

ACR sounded like a funky Joy Division once they added Donald Johnson. But 
they were much more structured than the Pop Group (as a result of being less 
competent musicians). They even had their own little mini-Bruce Gilbert in 
Peter Terrell, who couldn't eally play guitar at all and added lots of great 
effects etc. Get The Graveyard and the Ballroom to see how fantastic early 
ACR sounded. They became more commercially funky as they went on/learned to 
play. By about 1983 (I'd like to see you again) they were just toooo 
smooth.Then Simon Topping and Peter Terrell left and it wasn't as good. 

23 Skidoo came after ACR - 81-82. They were even lumped in with the likes of 
ABC and Haircut 100 at first (!!) 

The first single isn't really funky at all - it's more like Josef K than 
anything else. But there were various line-up changes and they became much 
more funky. Seven Songs is a killer album. It's just about to be reissued on 
CD. 23 Skidoo were closer  than ACR to TG in concept/attitude. You'd find 
samples all over Skidoo stuff, and there's a ritual element to both bands, 
whereas ACR are much more minimal, almost puritanical. The main influences on 
ACR were US funk and Brazilian Salsa, whereas Skidoo added more diverse 
elements such as Indonesian gamelan music, and the odd Hawaiian lounge music 
of Martin Denny.

Most TG is a lot more atonal/arhythmic/noisy than the track on this comp. 
20JFG is definitley the place to start though. Wouldn't say they sounded like 
ACR at all, though the bands certainly knew each other. Once saw ACR and 
Psychic TV share a bill. TG were certainly an influence on the Factory scene, 
and you had Cabaret Voltaire releasing stuff both on Factory and Industrial. 
Within Factory the likes of Section 25 and Crispy Ambulance were more overtly 
into them than ACR. 

Mark

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 10:40:50 -0800
From: "Paul Pietromonaco" <paulp@wrq.com>
Subject: [idealcopy] A funny thing happened on the way to the Wire this morning...

Hi everyone.

Does this ever happen to you?  (^_^)

I was listening to my newly arrived Swim Team 2 CD this morning, and for
some reason, my mind remembered a stark Wire track with a Colin vocal.  

So, I started to dig through all of my Wire CDs to find this song.  

Well, after digging though all of the Wire CDs, Colin's solo stuff - heck,
even Graham's stuff - I couldn't find the track.

Massively late for work now, I was about to give up, when I spotted Desmond
Simmons' "Alone On Penguin Island" CD.

Track 2.

<sigh>

I have no idea how my mind crossed the two artists.  

Sometimes, this no caffeine thing is a drag. (^_^)

Cheers,
Paul

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 20:05:32 +0100
From: "Mileta Okiljevic" <baltazar@panet.bits.net>
Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Lycia

> Hey Miletia, what Lycia stuff do you recommend for me? ...keep in mind
that i
> like ethereal/melancholy stuff like Cocteau Twins, This Mortal Coil, Love
> Spirals Downwards....Thanks!
>
> Robert

Hmm, with all atributes you have mentioned i will recommended to you
Lycia-Cold
and Estraya-Time Has Come and Gone ( lycia under other name with acoustic
prefix
if you like Victorialand it will be closeset comparation, even if i will
avoided that kind
of comparations). Heavenly...!!
But you will not mistake if you will choose any of their material !! I like
all of Lycia
albums and also Bleak & Estraya.
Interesting thing is that Bleak and Lycia on Compilation Appearence Vol.2
have song
called "Dome". I asked them if is somehow connected with Wire related
projekt. Mike
said that is just coincidence, but pleasent in fact, because he is great
Wire fan and that
Wire influeneced him near many bands of 80's in which Joy Division and
Killing Joke have
special place.
Projekt sell last Lycia CD - compilation appearence vol. 2 over web-site for
7 $. if you
haven' t got that one, hurry up, it's compilation through the years and
cover second stage
of carrer in Ohio..
it include fantastic version of new order - in a lonely place, i think is
very close to original.

Btw, Lycia will appered twice with new material , i hope soon.
Lycia will offer " Empty Spaces" once aborted, but now completed with full
line-up and
as Estraya again with " Tripping Back in Broken Days" which Tara described
to me as
sadest material they ever wrote..i cannot wait !!!

I must told you that Lycia for me is best kept secret and most valueble band
in 90's..

Shame that Mike illness stopped them from further activities. From that
reason they
was not appered on Benediction gig for victims on terrorist attack . It was
held in
Arizona and near Estraya it was appered Soul Whirling Somewhere & Audra.
Mike
& Tara made a soundcheck . but Mike's diabetes caused they cancelled
show..Shame..

and one trivia...Mike & Tara have on their refrigerator photos of my dog
Baltazar ( me
included too !!! )..

and one more - they hate term Goth !!!
even AP made Cold in best 10 goth albums all the time, near Cramps. gene
Loves Jezebel,
Sisters, etc, etc....

mileta

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 16:25:46 EST
From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] d. harry [was New Order on Jools Holland's Later]

In a message dated 07/11/01 10:20:09 GMT Standard Time, WireI2XU@aol.com 
writes:


> she's apparently been taking HGH + is looking far 
> more lithe than the blondie gig i attended two years ago 

.............i do recall jamie theakston being made to apologise at 
glastonbury a couple of years ago for a "pissed auntie at a wedding" type 
comment. so what exactly does this HGH stuff do then?????????? p

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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 23:08:12 +0000
From: "ian.s. jackson" <iansjackson@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] d. harry/HGH

>a l l i s o n  w r o t e :
>don't write her off yet.  she's apparently been taking HGH + is looking far
>more lithe than the blondie gig i attended two years ago [which was in fact 
>a
>bit 'pissed auntie'].  i met her last weekend + she looked 
>stunning...despite
>the fact that she was wearing a scrunchie + sandals, which is really a lot 
>to
>overcome to begin with.

i'd still love her if she was 23-stone.............
as long as she stood still while she was on stage.........;)
is this HGH thing the stuff that turns your stools to oil?????
apparently it stops your body absorbing fats when you eat,
(with thanks to Mrs.J. for medical low-down...)
uuuggghhhhh, ian.s.j.

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Date: Wed, 07 Nov 2001 19:43:17 -0600
From: "Alyce Ornella" <alchea@hotmail.com>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT: downtown 81/Early 80s comp

Hi
The movie played at my college about a month ago.  I thought it was great 
and also very self-concious and funny, especially the really bad dialogue 
over-dubbing.  My favorite parts were definately the DNA scenes.
Amazing! Ikue Mori is so cool.
"She is Beyond Good and Evil" once changed my outlook on music altogether.
The Downtown 81 soundtrack must be available somewhere because they were 
playing it over the PA system in the bathrooms at school when the movie was 
showing.
alyce

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Date: Thu, 08 Nov 2001 01:57:50 +0000
From: Tim <timrobinson@cwcom.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curiosity...

Robert Lynn wrote

>I was just curious what would be everyone's top 5 or 10 full lengths for the
>year...(they of course only qualify if they were released in 2001)


Ah good timing Robert. The silly season is nearly upon us which means most 
record companies are hanging on to new releases for next year and instead 
flooding the market with Best Ofs'  by the likes of Texas, the dreaded 
Simple Minds...The Corrs, and today I saw the best of Louise (Nurding). 
Your average music hack is already compiling the 'Q' best LPs of 2001 and 
struggling over whether to make The Strokes or Travis number one.

Here is my top 10 Long Playing gramophone records of 2001.

1. Fennesz - Endless Summer (I've been raving about this all year....As If 
some lost, legendary Brian Wilson instrumentals had been left to frazzle 
and fade in the summer sun. Genius)

2. Autechre - Confield (Yet another masterpiece from the best electronic 
band of the last ten years. Twenty years from now kids will be referring 
back to these astonishing visionary works as todays kids do with the 
Velvets or Can, and MOJO will have them on the front cover...betcha!)

3. Stereolab - Sound Dust (Not popular on this list....but number 3 in my 
house)

4. Plaid - Double Figure (Best album from them since BDP days, about as 
melodic and pop as electronica gets....if Autechre are the electronic Jimi 
Hendrix, this lot are the Beach Boys....Yes!)

5. Susumu Yokota - Grinning Cat  (Machines maketh the melody boy....)

6. Spiritualized - Let it Come Down (Not popular on this list...but clocks 
in at number 6 in my house)

7. Aphex Twin - Drukqs  (Lazy git Aphex treading water still equals great 
double album)

8. Future Sound of London - Papua New Guinea Translations: (Hurray! They're 
back! Make a proper album soon please!)

9. Boredoms - Vision Creation Newsun - (A Joyful racket....Can on 
Steroids....Dugga Dugga Dugga)

10. Number ten is reserved for the forthcoming Cabaret Voltaire 
compilation, "The Original Sound of Sheffield", due on Christmas Eve. (its 
all the 12" single mixes from the Virgin era).

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Date: Wed, 7 Nov 2001 22:18:02 -0600
From: "dan bailey" <dpbailey@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: [idealcopy] another useless poll to satisy my whimsical curiosity...

>Robert Lynn wrote
>
>>I was just curious what would be everyone's top 5 or 10 full lengths for
the
>>year...(they of course only qualify if they were released in 2001)
>
>
>Ah good timing Robert. The silly season is nearly upon us which means most
>record companies are hanging on to new releases for next year and instead
>flooding the market with Best Ofs'  by the likes of Texas, the dreaded
>Simple Minds...The Corrs, and today I saw the best of Louise (Nurding).
>Your average music hack is already compiling the 'Q' best LPs of 2001 and
>struggling over whether to make The Strokes or Travis number one.

always nice to have a person of superior taste tell me that i'm an "average
music hack" (last year, the top-10 list i published in my former newspaper
ran thus -- mekons/fall/go-betweens/dandy warhols/alabama
3/mdfmk/chumbawamba/electric hellfire club/murder city devils/amy rigby ...
obviously, i'm too weak-minded to get much out of electronica or whatever
it's being called this week) because i like the strokes' album a lot ... at
the moment, though, le tigre's feminist sweepstakes is probably my no. 1,
with the latest by stereolab, white stripes, the damned (!), new order & ted
leo/pharmacists ranking pretty high as well. have yet to acquire the new
ones by the fall, the faint (actually, i bought it about 2 hours ago but
then went & saw hedwig & the angry inch for the 2nd time in a week ... must
dig up that soundtrack), bran van 3000, pulp, bis, neko case, trailer bride,
robbie fulks, the yayhoos, kelly hogan ...

dan

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Date: Thu, 8 Nov 2001 10:05:49 +0100 
From: Woerner Frank <Frank.Woerner@nbg.sbs.de>
Subject: AW: [idealcopy]   OT  Electronic

>-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht-----
>Von: RLynn9@aol.com [mailto:RLynn9@aol.com]
>Gesendet: Dienstag, 6. November 2001 22:16
>An: baltazar@panet.bits.net; i.calder@surrey.ac.uk; idealcopy@smoe.org
>Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] Re: OT-Kraftwerk again..Ian, is that 
>you...!!??
>
>
>In a message dated 11/6/01 1:05:26 PM Central Standard Time, 
>baltazar@panet.bits.net writes:
>
><< i must add that i was expected more from Johhny Marr & Barney on
> second album. They announced very loud that guests will be 
>ex-Kraftwerk
> members, but it ended in mediocre-pseudo-disco-record...
> shame, i like it  ery much their first one..
>  >>
>has anyone heard the third Electronic album: "Twisted 
>Tenderness" ?? i have 
>the first two but i haven't heard the last...anyone know what 
>it sounds like?

It has some very good and also some very weak songs on it.
The best Electronic cd is, IMHO, the first one.

FrankfromBavaria

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