From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #329 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, November 1 2001 Volume 04 : Number 329 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] on-topic topics, politics, and Paul Young [Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] on-topic topics, politics, and Paul Young I say keep religion, politics and Paul Young off this list! Giluz Wrote: >I believe most people here share the more or less same political >opinions, and the fact that we're all Wire fans is just one symptom of it, >just as most of us are white males with an academic education and an >inclination towards arty-farty (as Keith Moon would call it) acts >(female/non-white members take no offence). It's certainly a generalisation, >but if you'd do an off-list survey I'm sure ou would find that most of us >are left-winged (Ray Ciscon being the only exception, I think). Sorry Giluz but that sounds like complete bollocks! I for one don't fit your narrow definition of the Archetypal Wire fan. We are all friends on Idealcopy because of single common fact which over-rides gender, politics, education, religion, ethnicity, sexuality and whatever....we all like Wire, and we all like talking about the music & cultural context that surrounds/surrounded them. Of course we don't exist in a vacuum, and from time to time pathetic f***wits like Osmondo Bed Linen will bugger things up....but I don't think we should establish some kind of moral and political position that members of this list should adopt. The politics and morals of Wire are much more ambiguous than say, Rage Against the Machine or Chumbawamba........and Wire music is streets ahead of such tub-thumpers. There are political themes to some of the texts but Wire music really transcends politics. On List, lets celebrate, discuss and debate the music which unites a diverse group....not establish a particular political consensus for Wire fans. p.s. New Order's cover (for that is what it was) of Love Will Tear us Apart on the 'Later' show sounded completely workmanlike and bereft of energy or passion. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #329 *******************************