From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #321 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, October 25 2001 Volume 04 : Number 321 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Gilbert WMO [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] hmmm ["Stephen JC Sheen" ] AW: [idealcopy] 'old/noo metal'... [Woerner Frank ] [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #320: Haring II [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] hmmm ["timmaher" ] [idealcopy] now playing... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] now playing... ["Brian Young" ] Re: [idealcopy] now playing... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] now playing... [RLynn9@aol.com] RE: [idealcopy] OT - first punk purchases ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] weekend listening: [eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang)] [idealcopy] Desert Island Gilbert [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Gilbert WMO >>>Hey, and does anyone know what became of that limited/mail order only Bruce Gilbert release that WMO were going to put out shortly before closing their doors? Did I imagine this? <<< I assume you're thinking of The Haring 2? This may still happen on CDR only depending on whether Bruce creates it or not and is most likely to be designed to fit into your current Haring box. C ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:11:07 +0100 From: "Stephen JC Sheen" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] hmmm Don't know if TG were actually played, but they were certainly mentioned - Jonathon Ross reminiscing with a competition caller about the great days of punk. It would be typical of the programme if JR had sent his gopher off to dig out a TG tune for bringing everybody else in on the experience. The new Ricky Tomlinson comedy single "You Talking to Me (or Chewing a Brick)" was given two spins. Essential listening for Slade fans as it apparently marks the coming out of retirement of Noddy Holder on backing vocals. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:10:28 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] 'old/noo metal'... >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: RLynn9@aol.com [mailto:RLynn9@aol.com] >Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Oktober 2001 19:08 >An: baltazar@panet.bits.net; iansjackson@hotmail.com; >idealcopy@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] 'old/noo metal'... > > >yeah i agree...i still love Earth Wind and Fire...Al Green....Marvin >Gaye.....Black Sabbath....Pink Floyd....and a whole bunch of >singles like: > >10 cc - I'm not in love ... somehow this made me sing ... Load up, load up, load up your ru-u-u-bber bullets ..... SCNR FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 15:36:04 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] mcgeogh > p.s. the u.s. pvc 12" of arabian knights has the album version on side a and > one of my fave siouxsongs on side b (supernatural thing) along with 2 other > previously unreleased tracks (conga conga and slap dash snap). huh, supernatural Thing is one one of my favourite banshees tracks.. am i amongst few who adired their b-sides.. to hell i cannot remember that b-sides of 7" of dazzle which i like, like, like very much, what's anme of track.. sadly, i sold it when i sold my vinyl collection mileta ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 08:33:05 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #320: Haring II >From: "Cambra, Robert" >Hey, and does anyone know what became of that limited/mail order only Bruce >Gilbert release that WMO were going to put out shortly before closing their >doors? Did I imagine this? Haring II. Well, before WMO can sell it, Bruce would have to actually record it. ;) Seriously: remember that only WMO USA is closing. Kevin will still be able to sell this if Bruce actually does it. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:06:36 EDT From: MrSodium@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] mcgeogh In a message dated 10/23/01 6:57:14 PM Eastern Daylight Time, Eardrumbuz@aol.com writes: << i dunno, armoury show looked good on paper. i guess they just turned out to be sorta like the "asia" of postpunkprogressivepop. but if the skids were "yes" and armoury show was "asia", what was big country? >> ELP? ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:41:33 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] mcgeogh << i dunno, armoury show looked good on paper. i guess they just turned out to be sorta like the "asia" of postpunkprogressivepop. but if the skids were "yes" and armoury show was "asia", what was big country? >> Jon & Vangelis Mark ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 17:42:37 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] chewing a brick... Stephen JC Sheen wrote : The new Ricky Tomlinson comedy single "You Talking to Me (or Chewing a Brick)" was given two spins. Essential listening for Slade fans as it apparently marks the coming out of retirement of Noddy Holder on backing vocals. its 'Are You Looking At Me?...' actually!! i caught the last part of last weeks Parkinson (talk)show, where he sang it live with Noddy and Sinbad from Brookie (an actor, a soap opera)!! by the end of the song i had the chorus sussed, and consequently, could not get the bastard thing out of my head for days after!! still, nice to see Noddy pointing at the audience again... ian.s.j. (BBBBaaaaybbbbbeee, bbbaaayyyyybbeeee, bbbaaaayybbbbeh...... .....my arse........) _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 18:33:52 +0100 From: "timmaher" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] hmmm > well i have my parents staying with me at present and my mum just said to me > that last weekend on his radio 2 show jonathan ross played "one of those > bands you like ; throbbing gristle". now she wouldn''t know how to wind me > up so i can only presume this is in fact true. TG on R2 ; what is the world > coming to? Paul, your mother didn't quite get it right. Ross was talking to a caller, who was reminising on the punk groups he had seen, and mentioned he had seen Throbbing Gristle in '79. Jonathan Ross responded by saying "Now you're talking my sort of music" and mentioned his liking for Zyclon B Zombie. Sadly he didn't any TG, but did play "Pretty Vacant". Full marks to your mother none the less! ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 13:34:52 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] now playing... this morning i have had the pleasure of listening to the first three Kraftwerk albums: Kraftwerk 1 Kraftwerk 2 Kraftwerk - Ralf and Florian it's amazing to me that these sound different to me everytime i listen to them, even after all these years....I'm at the end of Ralf and Florian right now and i'm listening to Ananas Symphonie and it's perfect for this dreary rainy day here in the midwest....does anyone know what the Tone Float lp sounds like? that is the only Kraftwerk related album i do not own.... Robert Lynn Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 11:01:53 -0700 From: "Brian Young" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] now playing... >this morning i have had the pleasure of listening to the first three >Kraftwerk albums... This is why I love this list- you folks know so much about (I'm sure) great music that I (ashamedly) know nothing about. I only recently hear NEU!, and must explore Kraftwerk. Anyway, this morning's listening so far has been: Sonny Sharrock & Nicky Skopelitis- Live in NYC 9/9/91 Russell Mills & Undark- Pearls + Umbra Bill Nelson- Chameleon _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:15:37 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] now playing... In a message dated 10/24/01 1:02:06 PM Central Daylight Time, raggedglory57@hotmail.com writes: <<< Russell Mills & Undark- Pearls + Umbra>>>> this is such a wonderful record.....i love Mills artwork and wish i had some of it....there is a book collecting pictures of his artwork, does anyone remember the title? <<>> what does this sound like?....coincidently i was listening to A Love That Whirls last night...wish i had it on cd though..my vinyl has some annoying pops and crackles... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:28:04 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] now playing... In a message dated 10/24/01 1:03:39 PM Central Daylight Time, raggedglory57@hotmail.com writes: << This is why I love this list- you folks know so much about (I'm sure) great music that I (ashamedly) know nothing about. I only recently hear NEU!, and must explore Kraftwerk. >> everybody has to start somewhere! don't be ashamed....before you know it though you'll be witnessing some of the ugly banter over groups like ELO and Simple Minds...hahhhaha..seriously though, i just recently heard the NEU! reissues and i don't think they sound different to my old cds....am i just stupid?...as far as the Kraftwerk backcatalogue i suggest going in order if you can so you can hear the progressions in sound/style: 1.Kraftwerk 1 2.Kraftwerk 2 3.Ralf and Florian 4.Autobahn 5.Radioactivity 6.Trans-Europe Express 7.The Man Machine 8. Tour De France cd ep with video 9.Computer World 10.Electric Cafe 11. The Mix great stuff!!!!! Robert (who used to breakdance to Kraftwerk in 1982-86 !! and my knees are still in pain!) Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:55:12 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - first punk purchases First Punk single - Cranked up Really High/Slaughter and the Dogs bought at the same time as Chinese Rocks/Johnny Thunders First Punk album - Buzzcocks/ Another Music First punk Gig - Pistols/Clash/J Thunder - Pretty Vacant tour - Cleethorpes Winter gardens AndyL >> -----Original Message----- >> From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On >> Behalf Of Steve Speight >> Sent: 19 October 2001 19:58 >> To: idealcopy@smoe.org >> Subject: RE: [idealcopy] OT - first punk purchases >> >> >> first single - Peaches (The Stranglers) >> >> first album - Rattus Norvegicus (The Stranglers) >> >> first gig - The Jam (Modern World tour), quickly followed by The >> Buzzcocks >> at Bracknell Sports Centre (supported by Penetration). >> >> Steve ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 21:16:28 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: RE: [idealcopy] hmmm Tim wrote >> >> Sadly he didn't any TG, but did play "Pretty Vacant". Full marks to your >> mother none the less! ....or was she thinking of Boredom/Buzzcocks b'dum, b'dum. Blimey, just spotted the Pistols played the previous week as well. http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio2/shows/jonathan_ross/playlist.shtml AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 14:47:42 -0700 (PDT) From: eric719@webtv.net (Eric Strang) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] weekend listening: Eden-Gateway To Mysteries >> Mileta, Was this ever available on cd? The only format I've seen is cassette. I've got to find a copy if it did come out on cd. Eric ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 25 Oct 2001 01:03:57 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Desert Island Gilbert Howard posed a difficult choice >>>>Choosing your desert island selection, with the barrel of a gun pressed against your temple, whose SOLO output would you take (Colin, Graham, Bruce or the drumloop Rob did for fad gadget?). I'd choose Bruce's... if I had to choose one it would be Ab Ovo but Music For Fruit runs it a close second. Would those of us who choose Roos or Ran get the Dome & other collaborations to take with us? Don't forget Robert drummed on A-Z!!! Speaking of Colin's solo recordings, I've written a review of Swim Team 2 for 'The Brain' this week http://www.brainwashed.com/brain Paul said >>>>though i can't think of much worse music to lie around on a desert island to than in esse. Really? You only have to stay glued to yer TV sets to get bombarded by it!!! >>>>Best o'Bunny? My wife has a Cd called 'Ballyhoo the best of Echo & the Bunnymen' (released on WEA in 97) which collects tracks from 'Rescue' up to the fifth eponymous album. Bizarrely, it includes a ropey Doors cover but not 'The Puppet'. Someone heckled them for that song when I saw them a few years ago, and Ian M opined that it was the worst thing they'd ever written. Then he changed his mind and said that actually 'The Subject' was the worst one... It was worth seeing them just for 'Over the Wall' but the new material was all utterly tepid MOR shite. They also butchered 'The Cutter' but all the other oldies were enjoyable. I haven't bothered going to see them again... For me, the best of EB would be: Heaven Up Here - It Was a Pleasure + side one of Porcupine + Heads Will Roll + Villiers Terrace + Rescue + Simple Stuff + In Bluer Skies + Killing Moon + No Hands (from a Peel session) + Over Your Shoulder + Going Up LUYH! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert ____________________________________________________________ Nokia Game is on again. Go to http://uk.yahoo.com/nokiagame/ and join the new all media adventure before November 3rd. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 20:36:28 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Desert Island Gilbert << Howard posed a difficult choice >>>>Choosing your desert island selection, with the barrel of a gun pressed against your temple, whose SOLO output would you take (Colin, Graham, Bruce or the drumloop Rob did for fad gadget?). I'd choose Bruce's... if I had to choose one it would be Ab Ovo but Music For Fruit runs it a close second.<< I just have a lovely mental picture of Graeme lying on the beach with In Esse blaring out across the ocean!! >> Would those of us who choose Roos or Ran get the Dome & other collaborations to take with us? Don't forget Robert drummed on A-Z!!! << And Not To. Which features lyrics from Lewis and a bit of Gilbert guitar. Robert is on Commercial Suicide too, and there are loops of him on Singing Fish and Dome 1. And Des Simmonds' album too. Gottta be the Newman for me.... >>Paul said >>>>though i can't think of much worse music to lie around on a desert island to than in esse. Really? You only have to stay glued to yer TV sets to get bombarded by it!!!<< It helps to plug the aerial into the back....then you get pictures and sounds instead. >>>>Best o'Bunny? >>My wife has a Cd called 'Ballyhoo the best of Echo & the Bunnymen' (released on WEA in 97) which collects tracks from 'Rescue' up to the fifth eponymous album. Bizarrely, it includes a ropey Doors cover but not 'The Puppet'. Someone heckled them for that song when I saw them a few years ago, and Ian M opined that it was the worst thing they'd ever written. Then he changed his mind and said that actually 'The Subject' was the worst one...<< Forgot about that comp. Never bothered with it... >>It was worth seeing them just for 'Over the Wall' but the new material was all utterly tepid MOR shite. They also butchered 'The Cutter' but all the other oldies were enjoyable. I haven't bothered going to see them again...<< Not seen the Bunnies since about 1982, in Sefton Park, Liverpool. (Ian J, were you at that one?) For the definitive Over the Wall (the peel version) you need the freebie Peel sessions CD that came with the Evergreen album. Bad move really in that it showed up Evergreen somewhat! >>For me, the best of EB would be: Heaven Up Here - It Was a Pleasure + side one of Porcupine + Heads Will Roll + Villiers Terrace + Rescue + Simple Stuff + In Bluer Skies + Killing Moon + No Hands (from a Peel session) + Over Your Shoulder + Going Up<< I'd run that track listing the other way round!! Mark ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #321 *******************************