From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #320 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, October 24 2001 Volume 04 : Number 320 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Mark Van Hoen (Locust) offer [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Keith Levene [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= ] [idealcopy] solaris (2) [kevin eden ] Re: [idealcopy] Keith Levene [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 10:44:36 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Mark Van Hoen (Locust) offer Hello....i just wanted to ask fellow ideal copyists if any of you would like to trade something for a sealed copy (cd) of "Playing With Time " by Mark Van Hoen (aka Locust)...It is a wonderful cd and i would never get rid of mine but someone at GEMM sent me two by mistake...i understand that this cd is kind of hard to come by.....i am currently looking for the following: Tuxedomoon - Desire/No Tears cd Divine cd A Thousand Lives By Picture cd Holy Wars cd Ship of Fools cd You cd Chris and Cosey - Muzik Fantastique cd Chris Carter - Disobedient cd Coil - pHILM 1 10" or cd ep Bill Nelson - A Love That Whirls cd....Quit Dreaming and Get on the Beam cd The Associates - Affectionate Punch cd Paul Haig/Billy MacKenzie - Memory Palace cd Billy MacKenzie - Beyond the Sun cd No-Man - Loveblows and Lovecries cd No-Man- Flowermouth cd Jansen and Barbieri - Worlds in a Small Room cd (japanese version with vocal track) Rema Rema - Wheel in the Roses 12" ep Mass - Labour of Love lp Mass- You and I 12" ep Global Goon - Goon cd Bark Psychosis - Hex cd Pram - The Stars Are So Big cd Phillip Jeck - Vinyl Coda cd (any of them) Ken Ikeda - Tzuki cd Arne Nordheim - Electric cd Mika Vainio/Pita/ Charlemagne Palestine - Three Compositions For Machines cd Vainio/Vaisanen/Einheit - My Ears! My Ears! cd v/a Deconstruct compilation cd v/a Antiphony compilation 2 cd Zoviet France - Shouting at the Ground cd Flock of Rotations cd Assault and Mirage cd Rapoon - Kirghiz Light 2 cd Rapoon - Just Say the Faith cd Muslimgauze - Sand Trafikar cd Koji Marutani and Syllyk - Other-Wise cd Koji Asano - The End of August cd Daniel Menche - Field of Skin cd Lobe - Lobe cd Symptoms - Apathy cd Ku-Ling Brothers - Creach cd Conrad Schnitzler - Charred Machinery cd Convex cd Conzequenz cd Roedelius - Selfportrait cd (any of them) Cluster - Curiosum cd Walker Brothers - Nite Flights cd if you want to trade any of these or sell let me know what you are looking for as well...Thanks, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 22:22:34 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Keith Levene Paul remembered >>>>there is quite a good levine web site which somebody here (graeme?) will know th address of. http://www.missingchannel.com This is Keith's own site and has a link to Perfect Sound Forever webzine where you will find a very interesting 4 part interview in which Keith talks about all his PiL experiences and his future intentions. >>>mcgeogh's solo career hasn't really taken off Leaving Magazine for the Banshees was a kind of side step, but what on earth was he thinking when he quit the Banshees to start a band with Richard Jobson???? From A Kiss in the Dreamhouse to the Armoury Show has to be one of the biggest quality downslides in music! Barry Adamson did alright though, didn't he? Speaking of the Banshees, does anyone know if the 12" single of Arabian Knights was an extended version / remix? And speaking of Jaz Coleman, as Mileta was, Jaz now lives in New Zealand where he makes a living as a composer for the NZ Symphony Orchestra. Work began on a new Killing Joke album quite some time ago, but the logistics for them are even greater than Wire's Lewis & his Scandinavian home, as Geordie lives in Detroit. Check out this site for all your Killing Joke needs: http://lastlaff.Ocatch.com LUYH! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert ____________________________________________________________ Nokia Game is on again. Go to http://uk.yahoo.com/nokiagame/ and join the new all media adventure before November 3rd. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:41:07 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Keith Levene In a message dated 10/23/01 4:24:36 PM Central Daylight Time, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: << Barry Adamson did alright though, didn't he?>>>>> i'd say so...i still listen to a lot of his records regularly especially Moss Side Story <<<>>>>>> i'll check when i get home but i do think it is extended <<<< And speaking of Jaz Coleman, as Mileta was, Jaz now lives in New Zealand where he makes a living as a composer for the NZ Symphony Orchestra. Work began on a new Killing Joke album quite some time ago, but the logistics for them are even greater than Wire's Lewis & his Scandinavian home, as Geordie lives in Detroit.>>>>>> yes, Jaz is a good guy in my book...my younger brother still talks to him frequently....We met Jaz after a show on the Pandemonium Tour in 94 and he insisted on coming back to the hospital to visit our other brother....He was in the hospital quite some time fighting cancer...it was in it's advanced stages and things were not going to get any better...Ol' Ben insisted that we go to the show for him because he would have given anything to be there and wanted all the details afterwards...when we told Jaz this he asked if we could take him there and his manager about flipped out! So he came to the hospital and refused to talk about himself, the band, or music...He insisted on getting to know Ben and his beliefs...So in a sense he helped Ben confront his own death (which was inevitable) whereas everyone else was tip toeing around the subject...He hung out with us for hours, all through the night....it was a very memorable night...Ben passed away on November 27th at the young age of 22...Jaz mentioned him in the liner notes of 1996's Democracy album...r.i.p. Ben from St.Louis....and the song Absent Friends is partially about Ben and a few other people Jaz has known... now as for Geordie..WHY would anyone choose to live in Detroit? I mean it's not a bad place at all...but why would a musician with (surely) some money live in a cold northern city that isn't chicago or new york?...hmmm.... Robert ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 17:42:47 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Keith Levene In a message dated 10/23/01 4:24:36 PM Central Daylight Time, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: << Check out this site for all your Killing Joke needs: http://lastlaff.Ocatch.com >> are you sure?...i can't ever get this link to work.... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 18:55:16 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] mcgeogh In a message dated 10/23/01 5:24:36 PM, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: >what on earth was he thinking when he quit >the Banshees to start a band with Richard Jobson???? > > > >From A Kiss in the Dreamhouse to the Armoury Show has >to be one of the biggest quality downslides in music! i dunno, armoury show looked good on paper. i guess they just turned out to be sorta like the "asia" of postpunkprogressivepop. but if the skids were "yes" and armoury show was "asia", what was big country? - -paul c.d. p.s. the u.s. pvc 12" of arabian knights has the album version on side a and one of my fave siouxsongs on side b (supernatural thing) along with 2 other previously unreleased tracks (conga conga and slap dash snap). ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 20:06:04 -0400 From: "Cambra, Robert" Subject: [idealcopy] Why wouldn't anyone/last minute gilbert "Why wouldn't anyone want to watch three beautiful women playing one-finger keyboard pop and krautrock epics?" sez Paul. Why not, indeed? If you put it that way. I should give Stereolab another listen. (I wanted to like them but they got on my nerves a bit that one time I heard them in Virgin.) Hey, and does anyone know what became of that limited/mail order only Bruce Gilbert release that WMO were going to put out shortly before closing their doors? Did I imagine this? Robert ************************************************************************************************* This message is intended only for the use of the individuals to which it is addressed and may contain information that is privileged and confidential. If you are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this transmission in error; any review, dissemination, distribution or copying of this transmission is prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify us immediately by reply e-mail and delete this message and all of its attachments. ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 21:49:59 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] weekend listening: > Gavin Friday - Shag Tobacco ha, there is a link you can downloaded GF gig in Ireland last week, this is pt.2, first is already removed.. http://www.gavinfriday.com/audio/ichliebedich-2.rm > ahh...what a great weekend....some candles and a bottle of wine....all i need ahh...what a great weekend ..some kind of influnze and a bottle of syrup against coughing.. and listening.. Stella Maris - Stella Maris , Das Zeichen - aufgewacht, Church Of Everyone & Amygdala ( hi there,Frank !!) A Mon - El Khela Soul Whirling Somewhere - Hope Was VNV Nation - Empires Talk Talk - Spirit Of Eden Gene Loves Jezebel - Promise, Immigrant Ildfrost-Natanael, You' ll never Sparkle In Hell Eden-Gateway To Mysteries and plenty , plenty of football matches.. Leyton Orient didn't win, Leeds also, and i guess that MU will lose vs. Bolton.. also gues that Arsenal will not won vs. Blackburn.. cheers, mileta > > Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 23:20:51 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] weekend listening: In a message dated 10/23/01 10:49:58 PM, baltazar@panet.bits.net writes: >> Gavin Friday - Shag Tobacco i like this album. my only complaint about his solo work is the same one i have about frank black, peter murphy and to some degree morrissey too...the sound is too much like a studio session. there's no band personality there. the instruments don't (each) have their own voice cuz you've either got one guy playing most of them or a bunch of studio session guys who don't have the emotional/spiritual/whatever connection to the music that real bandmembers would. all four of the guys named above have some very good songs on their solo albums that would be worlds better if they had been done with their "old bands" or any band that really worked together as a unit. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 00:48:12 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] last night i listened to: Solaris live at The Contact Theatre, Manchester. This 'supergroup' brought together by Jah Wobble includes (from left to right) Harold Budd (piano and electric keyboard), Graham Haynes (cornet and effects), Jaki Leibezeit (drums), Jah Wobble (bass) and Bill Laswell (distortion bass and electronics). Harold kicked things off at the piano playing one his evocative minimal pieces. He was joined by Graham Haynes (son of the great jazz drummer Roy), in white boiler suit, who with amplified cornet and effects added another layer to this very mellow start. Bill Laswell joined and proceeded to pull the piece into other territory with his bass guitar triggering effects and distortion. With the final simultaneous arrival of Wobble on bass and Leibezeit at the drum kit (without a bass drum or hi-hat!) the piece kicked off with Wobble pumping in one his inimitable bass patterns allowing Jaki to provide the first beats of the night. To say that the beat was pedestrian would be an understatement, but if you imagine bang, chick, thump. Bang, chick, thump repeated over and over for 10 minutes you have some idea. Even the audience was beginning to fidget and wonder what was going on. It eventually came to halt and Wobble immediately set off, this time at speed, on a more uptempo bass line. This got Jaki skittering all over the kick. A joy to behold and to finally get to see one of my fave drummers made my night(and before you ask the others are Charles Hayward, Robert Wyatt, Tony Williams, our own Robert Grey to mention a few). Harold moved to electric keyboard but either he was being reserved or the mix was wrong, but his contribution all night was very low key. Laswell went into overdrive. He played a blinder all night and showed what a fine pair of ears he has and brain to match. Haynes added layer upon layer of sampled cornet and the crescendo of the piece came to halt when Wobble simply walked centre stage looked at Jaki and nodded his head for it to end. A short poem by Wobble was then read about him feeling love for everyone. Unfamiliar to these ears (read fresh) I couldn't help laugh outloud at some of the things he said, the check out girl at Sainsbury's being the Madonna, the Cypriot taxi driver being the divine Buddha. My own impression was that he was on about getting so pissed that you are the universe, you are love incarnate. The chap sat next to me sat bolt upright, obviously familiar with the piece, and seemed very upset when I started to chuckle. He may have been an English student at the Uni. Who knows. I had committed a sin at the divine altar of Wobble obviously. After this Wobble kicked off what was the last, and best piece of the main set. This had a very funky groove and Jaki obviously relished this as he proved to be the real powerhouse of the piece. To say that he is a master drummer is an understatement. I have read so many pieces about him and describing his technique it is hard to say exactly what he adds to the ensemble: a subtlety, a light of touch, a sympathetic ear. In fact, all the musicians in Solaris provided this. Even though, as stated, Harold was low in the mix, whatever he was doing those on stage could hear as it seemed a couple of occasions to provide impetus to push the piece forward. Graham Haynes never took off and seemed content to use the cornet as another layer of effect rather than as a lead instrument. Despite these minor gripes Solaris were superb and were even dragged back for an encore with just Jaki and Wobble starting things off before the rest of the group joined and had those of us who stayed either up on feet or bopping in our seats. Marvellous. After that it was back to earth and a long wait for the 42 bus. ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 01:00:53 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] solaris (2) Just found this on the jah wobble website. This being the words he spoke. I think he was pissed, make your own mind up. I LOVE EVERY BODY And now the buildings change. Now the people change. Everything changing. Spirit and matter most apparent. Realised there never was anything to worry about, to doubt was insane. The limited, callow individuals living on housing estates in Chingford, Large detached houses in Kew Tower blocks on the Tottenham marshes, Become my gods. I see an accounts clerk from Tooting: I see Zeus. A sanitary inspector from the London Borough of Haringay, And Brahmin stands resplendent before me. For five minutes I love everybody. There is only love. All action ceases. The Mile End Road, once a blood-stained battleground of Bacchanalian excess, becomes the Garden of Gethsemane. A bitter, 72-year old ex-docker becomes the ever-compassionate Buddha. A Cypriot minicab driver becomes St Francis of Assissi. The 22-year-old Glaswegian checkout girl IS the divine mother. I love everybody. My spirit is free. I am limitless in space, time and matter, Simultaneously the planet Neptune, part of the structural support to Vauxhall Bridge. I am your left breast, I am Stepney, I am Peru, I am divine and so are you. I love everybody. I am nothing except a mere cluster of notes, a road sign in Skelmersdale. I ran the Roman Empire. I was a lavatory attendant in Hull. I am everybody and everybody is me. Spirit. Who put the spirit in matter? LOVE. ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 24 Oct 2001 04:05:12 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Keith Levene > Leaving Magazine for the Banshees was a kind of side > step, but what on earth was he thinking when he quit > the Banshees to start a band with Richard Jobson???? ////he was fired for drink/drugs problems so i think the move was out of necessity rather than choice > From A Kiss in the Dreamhouse to the Armoury Show has > to be one of the biggest quality downslides in music! /////they were crap live too , believe me. though the skids were surprisingly good , i went to a gig with low expectations and was really impressed. not sure of a suitable description for big country other than "shite". > Speaking of the Banshees, does anyone know if the 12" > single of Arabian Knights was an extended version / > remix? /////in that era i'm sure all their 12"'s were sort of "dance mix" things.p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #320 *******************************