From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #319 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Tuesday, October 23 2001 Volume 04 : Number 319 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Echo [Bart ] Re: [idealcopy] Echo [Bart ] [idealcopy] Re: visage/Wire solo 64 thousand dollar question [Howard Spen] Re: [idealcopy] Re: visage/Wire solo 64 thousand dollar question [PaulRab] [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #316 ["Wilson, Paul" ] Re: [idealcopy] Echo [fernando ] Re: [idealcopy] Echo [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] Into the FUTURE!!!! [Felton Frog-Mon ] Re: [idealcopy] weekend listening: [Bart ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:10:21 +0200 From: Bart Subject: [idealcopy] Echo Last weekend I was searching the Groninger cd-shops for a "best of" Echo & the Bunnymen but could not find one. Does any IC-er know if there is one and if so, is it any good? Thnxalot! Bart PS Yesterday I played Pavements cover/tribute of Echo's the Killing Moon ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:16:09 +0200 From: Bart Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Echo > Last weekend I was searching the Groninger cd-shops for a "best of" Echo & > the Bunnymen but could not find one. > > Does any IC-er know if there is one and if so, is it any good? Thnxalot! Found one! Any good? are there others? ECHO & THE BUNNYMEN: CRYSTAL DAYS 1979-1999 collects 72 tracks, including 14 previously unreleased tracks and 23 cuts never before available on CD. The box spans the whole of the Bunnymen's career, from their very first recording ("Monkeys") through selections from 1999's What Are You Going To Do With Your Life? The first three discs include all the classic singles and album tracks, as well as rare B-sides, outtakes, unreleased songs intended for a scrapped 1986 album and a pair of lost tunes rescued from the vaults of the BBC. Disc Four kicks off with a few more rarities and alternate takes before plunging into a 50-minute demonstration of the Bunnymen in peak live form, covering Bob Dylan, the Rolling Stones, Jonathan Richman, Television, The Doors and the Velvet Underground in addition to searing versions of their own songs. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:44:47 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: visage/Wire solo 64 thousand dollar question >what is with John McGeoch, i never heard >about >him after he was in PIL, Banshees, etc... >strange that he wasn't try solo-career.. Well he was one of the `media plebs/clubland chancers' in Visage, wasn't he?! It is a wee bit unfair to hang the albatross of Oakenfold round their necks and I find this prejudice against (fat - no way, not then) men who wear make up unreasonable - if you are going to slag off Steve Strange why not use the fact that his vocal range extends to about 4 notes? Answer this question - who looked better/cuter/sexier/scarier in 1981, Steve Strange or Andy Partridge? (This begs another question of course - whose music has lasted better, Visage or XTC? I'm not contrary enough to want to argue the difficult position on that one). I haven't taken the Visage album to the charidy shop as there are a few things on that I don't mind hearing from time to time. The only thing I've binned recently was another bargain purchase by the Beloved - which really was crap. Back on topic, here is a question that occurred to me last night. Choosing your desert island selection, with the barrel of a gun pressed against your temple, whose SOLO output would you take (Colin, Graham, Bruce or the drumloop Rob did for fad gadget?). I can feel the cold kiss of the barrel and I'm still not sure myself. Flawless, ab-so-lute-ly flawless. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 06:39:22 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: visage/Wire solo 64 thousand dollar question well you're dismissing rob's work with the snakes a little lightly there howard :-( hard call but i'd probably go for colin's. although sheer quantity would mean more stuff to wade thru if you went for g or b. though i can't think of much worse music to lie around on a desert island to than in esse. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:52:36 +0100 From: "Wilson, Paul" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #316 First punk single: Heartbreakers Chinese Rocks First punk LP Various Roxy London WC2 First Gig The Clash / Richard Hell & the Void Oids Terry Jacks - Seasons in the Sun - never did much for me - but the TV Personalities did a version of this, and it's stonking! ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:54:23 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] Re: visage/Wire solo 64 thousand dollar question >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Howard Spencer [mailto:hspencer@oup.co.uk] >Gesendet: Montag, 22. Oktober 2001 11:45 >An: idealcopy@smoe.org >Betreff: [idealcopy] Re: visage/Wire solo 64 thousand dollar question > > >>what is with John McGeoch, i never heard >>about >>him after he was in PIL, Banshees, etc... >>strange that he wasn't try solo-career.. > >Well he was one of the `media plebs/clubland chancers' in >Visage, wasn't >he?! > >It is a wee bit unfair to hang the albatross of Oakenfold round their >necks and I find this prejudice against (fat - no way, not >then) men who >wear make up unreasonable - if you are going to slag off Steve Strange >why not use the fact that his vocal range extends to about 4 notes? >Answer this question - who looked better/cuter/sexier/scarier in 1981, >Steve Strange or Andy Partridge? Divine ?! FfB ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:51:42 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wire solo 64 thousand dollar question PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > > well you're dismissing rob's work with the snakes a little lightly there howard :-( Whoops, hangs head, I'd momentarily forgotten about the Snakes. I think I'd probably end up going for Colin's stuff too, if only because `Alone' would be so appropriate. I find these relative questions very difficult and it's not a choice I'd want to have to make. But it was something to think about on the train through the very lovely Blackwater valley last night Howard ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:04:07 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Echo Bart, The Echo 'Best of' is 'Songs to learn and Sing', which collates all the singles up to Bring on the Dancing Horses. Should be readily available on nice price. It was released in the late '80s. The Crystal Days box set is new - a very good career retrospective, though not comprehensive in that it only features a few tracks from each album, and the fourth CD is almost entirely a live set of cover versions. I wish they'd included a whole CD of peel sessions (like the Magazine box) - the Bunnymen often previewed "works in progress" in Peel sessions and I'm missing a few of the tracks! Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 11:16:42 -0400 (EDT) From: Aaron Mandel Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Does exactly what it says on the tin... On Sun, 21 Oct 2001, Tim wrote: > I kind of like bands that release the subtle variations on the same tune > over and over again. I can think of several...Stereolab, Spiritualized, > Magnetic Fields, Mogwai, Cocteau Twins, Autechre, Plaid, Labradford (oh > yes!), Godspeed You Black Emperor (yes you!) Magnetic Fields? The rest of those bands are all textural/drone merchants; Mag Fields may have a characteristic 'sound' used over and over again, but the melody and lyrics, which are the point, are different. That's like saying all of Wire's songs were the same because, well, they usually sounded like Wire. a ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 12:10:10 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] weekend listening: Survival Research Laboratories Nam June Paik - Works 1958.1979 Jeff Mills - The Art of Connecting Richard H. Kirk - Loop Static Gavin Friday - Shag Tobacco No- Man - Returning Jesus Coil - Stolen and Contamined Songs Hazard - Wind Biosphere - Substrata/Man With A Movie Camera Mika Vainio - Ydin Rapoon - Errant Angels ahh...what a great weekend....some candles and a bottle of wine....all i need Robert Lynn ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:01:21 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] hmmm well i have my parents staying with me at present and my mum just said to me that last weekend on his radio 2 show jonathan ross played "one of those bands you like ; throbbing gristle". now she wouldn''t know how to wind me up so i can only presume this is in fact true. TG on R2 ; what is the world coming to? maybe jimmy young will play some crass shortly? or diddy david hamilton will start getting down to napalm death? somehow i find all this very worrying. p ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 16:36:58 -0400 From: "stephen graziano" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Echo Songs to Sing and Learn is a best of of sorts. Much better is the recent 4CD box set. - Steve. G _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 14:43:20 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Echo There is also another collection, a la Songs to Learn and Sing, which came out recently (as in a couple of years). I think that the CD is from Germany, but cannot recall exactly... easily available here if there is some decent imports at the store to begin with. I cannot recall the details of this best off, because I am not at home... I will try to post from there. I think that this new collection goes through the eponymous titled album. cheers! - -fernando At 11:04 -0400 10.22.2001, MarkBursa@aol.com wrote: >Bart, > >The Echo 'Best of' is 'Songs to learn and Sing', which collates all the >singles up to Bring on the Dancing Horses. Should be readily available on >nice price. It was released in the late '80s. > >The Crystal Days box set is new - a very good career retrospective, though >not comprehensive in that it only features a few tracks from each album, and >the fourth CD is almost entirely a live set of cover versions. I wish they'd >included a whole CD of peel sessions (like the Magazine box) - the Bunnymen >often previewed "works in progress" in Peel sessions and I'm missing a few of >the tracks! > >Mark ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:29:07 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Echo speaking of echo...anyone see them recently? i'm gonna go to the echo & the furs/psychedelic bunnymen show in ny next month. looking forward to it. anyone else up for that? - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 19:50:39 -0700 (PDT) From: Felton Frog-Mon Subject: [idealcopy] Into the FUTURE!!!! Hey all- Just wanted to find out if anyone is interested in joining me for: Tool at the Shoreline on 11/3 The Residents for Halloween in SF Stereolab at the Fillmore tomorrow night (sorry for the short notice!) Just checking, RJH Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 23 Oct 2001 08:42:49 +0200 From: Bart Subject: Re: [idealcopy] weekend listening: > Nam June Paik - Works 1958.1979 >ahh...what a great weekend....some candles and a bottle of wine....all i need Robert, What is the godfather of video-art doing in your [very nice] weekly listening list? I saw a retrospective of his works in the Centre Pompidou Paris once [can't remember what year]. Rather impressive. [Candles... yummie!] Cheers, Bart ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #319 *******************************