From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #318 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, October 22 2001 Volume 04 : Number 318 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] Does exactly what it says on the tin... ["Mileta Okiljevi] Re: [idealcopy] IC OT DEVO/Rotten ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] AW: [idealcopy] OT - pre/post holiday listening ...limp bizkit [Woerner F] Re: levene Re: [idealcopy] IC OT DEVO/Rotten [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 14:00:39 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Does exactly what it says on the tin... > In a message dated 10/20/01 8:51:55 PM Central Daylight Time, > timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > > > > I kind of like bands that release the subtle variations on the same tune > > over and over again. I can think of several...Stereolab, Spiritualized, > > Magnetic Fields, Mogwai, Cocteau Twins, Autechre, Plaid, Labradford (oh > > yes!), Godspeed You Black Emperor (yes you!) > > It never did the Ramones any harm did it? > > > > > > YOU ARE KIDDING RIGHT? ESPECIALLY THE MENTION OF THE COCTEAU TWINS, AUTECHRE, > AND PLAID...THAT IS A RIDICULOUS STATEMENT...HOW MANY OF THEIR RECORDS HAVE > YOU HEARD? AUTECHRE DEFINATELY NEVER SOUNDS LIKE A SUBTLE VARIATION TO ME AT > ALL... > > ROBERT Some people will called it mannerism, but i like it !!! Those band with every new records change a slightly, just to be different from previous one. So if you heard first then fourth, you can hear difference without trouble.. mind you, Garlands is very diffrent sounding from Treasure i suppose !! and to me every Spiritualized record are diffrent than prevuious.. do you remember those serial of Spiritualized singles before first one.. every is completely different from previous one, but you can be sure that is same band.. what can we said about Smiths, so prolific and same structure of songs, but they was hailed from some problematic musicpapers ( read NME ) as most important band all the time even if they spit on many other bands from same reason.. so, agree with both of you.. difference is just like we need ( Robert ) ,and i like all those band despite so-called mannerism.. crucial prove is that i like Tangerine Dream circa Force majeure & Cyclone and few of my friends told me that one only must own just one TD item.. i disagre , of course.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 13:53:01 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IC OT DEVO/Rotten : Re: [idealcopy] IC OT DEVO/Rotten > In a message dated 20/10/01 17:35:13 GMT Daylight Time, > ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: > > > > I was quite a Devo fan in the late seventies/early eighties but have never > > heard this one before. Possibly a Mothersbaugh wind-up, but... > > > > > /////sorry , great tale but i just cannot believe that at all. although JL > might have looked pretty cool in the skate gear. p *** true or not, i think that we must be grateful that Lydon wasn't transfered to some other band after SP was split. there will never be Metal Box, after all.. i am not so update about PIL, what Keith levine was doing after he was out of PIL mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 10:49:24 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: levene Re: [idealcopy] IC OT DEVO/Rotten In a message dated 10/21/01 7:57:10 AM, baltazar@panet.bits.net writes: > > >i am not so update about PIL, what Keith levine was doing after he was >out >of PIL he was a customer of mine around that time. after putting out commercial zone, he said he was planning to do some kind of muzak thing for kids i think. not sure what he eventually did do, but he did become a dad around that time too. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 11:16:34 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Visage In a message dated 21/10/01 02:52:03 GMT Daylight Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > >awww...c'mon...what's wrong with Visage?? > > Er....they were a bunch of irritating media plebs and clubland chancers, > their record sucked, and fat men look shite with make-up on. //////hard to disagree with that. also hard to imagine how the magazine guys got on with strange and the ultavox faction? p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 17:23:31 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Tim's lies and how I got into punk Tim lied >>>>Graeme Rowland hates them....for all the wrong reasons. He doesn't do Pop...or Melody. Yes, Tim, there is no melodic content at all on any of the 20 or so discs on the Swim label which I own and in some cases listen to regularly. Why does anyone need a reason to like or dislike music anyway? I don't hate Stereolab. Their music bores me and I don't care for the singing. I was actually introduced to Laetitia Saedier by a friend of theirs at a gig and I didn't do anything hateful to her. I also used to know an ex-bassist Duncan (formerly of Milk). I've also seen them get drastically upstaged by a long line of support bands (Scrawl, Band of Susans, Tortoise, Yo La Tengo and Sukia). I've watched the band play three entire sets which have not moved me in any way and the last time I saw them they were so boring I walked out and gave my ticket to someone who was loitering around trying to get in for free. So it's not like I haven't given Stereolab a chance. What Tim should have said is that I'm not all that keen on watered down plagiarism. The best things I've heard by Stereolab just sound like attempts to rip off Neu! Someone else asked >> I'm really curious about other IdealCopiers first punk singles... Duchess by the Stranglers. I was 9 years old when I heard it. I didn't buy it but bought the Raven album a few years later when I had enough money to buy such things. Pistols, Clash, Ramones, Buzzcocks, Crass, The Fall followed soon, then eventually Wire via 12XU (on Burning Ambitions compilation), I am the Fly (on John Peel) & Map Ref (which Tim Robinson will tell you has no melodic content, however it got played on the Annie Nightingale request show on pop station Radio One which was also the first place I heard Magazine's Shot By Both Sides and the Stooges' dog song. For a while back then I though the band were called Piggy and the Stooges. I still wish they were). I liked 12XU, but Fly & map ref made me go out and buy first Chairs Missing then very soon afterwards 154. At the time (about 84) Pink Flag was for some reason quite hard to find in Salisbury. Current recent listening includes: Replicator - Winterval Fugazi - The Argument LP / Furniture 7" A Silver Mount Zion - Born into trouble as sparks fly upwards OOIOO - third (?) album on Kill Rock Stars Stahlgren & Ferguson - Printing with magnetic inks 3" CD (Matt Wand in disguise) Ungu Buntu 3" CD (Matt Wand with an Indonesian hat law theme) Einsturzende Neubauten - Strategies Against Architecture III / Berlin Babylon soundtrack Fennesz - Hotel Parallel Eardrum - Side Effects Kling Klang - Vander 7" / Nexus 7" Pan American - new album (not out yet) Land of the Rising Noise compilation Flux Information Sciences - Private/Public Nic Endo - Cold Metal Perfection Killing Joke - Extremeties, Dirt & Various Repressed Emotions Television - s/t Gate - Monolake Minimal Compact - One by One / Deadly Weapons Berkowitz, Lake & Dahmer - Drain Salmon Forgery Dennis Wieharn - Cornish Voices Stelios Janolakis - The Maze Stockhausen - Telemusik Coil - Spring & Autumn Equinox CDEP's Lots of Trans Am & Melt Banana & Coil... LUYH! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert ____________________________________________________________ Nokia Game is on again. Go to http://uk.yahoo.com/nokiagame/ and join the new all media adventure before November 3rd. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 21:29:57 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: levene Re: [idealcopy] IC OT DEVO/Rotten > In a message dated 10/21/01 7:57:10 AM, baltazar@panet.bits.net writes: > > > > > > >i am not so update about PIL, what Keith levine was doing after he was > >out > >of PIL > > he was a customer of mine around that time. after putting out commercial > zone, he said he was planning to do some kind of muzak thing for kids i > think. not sure what he eventually did do, but he did become a dad around > that time too. i rememeber one info in NME when he became father and dedicated himself to child after that..he talked about that proudly it must be in that time.. speaking about PIL guitarists, what is with John McGeoch, i never heard about him after he was in PIL, Banshees, etc... strange that he wasn't try solo-career.. mileta > > -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:46:31 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] WIRE MAIL ORDER - GOING OUT OF BUSINESS Just to stop any confusion. The Wire Mail Order website will be closing down on 15th November 2001. WMO (UK) will still continue to operate until all titles are sold out. WMO (UK) will deal with all future mail order and label queries for the world after 15th November. See Wireviews website in November for specifics of what this means re- mail order etc. ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 00:47:31 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] set sale Some items still left from the auction/set sale of last week. They are now combined into a new single Set Sale list. Ask and it shall be yours. ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 10:21:58 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] OT - pre/post holiday listening ...limp bizkit >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Mileta Okiljevic [mailto:baltazar@panet.bits.net] >Gesendet: Donnerstag, 18. Oktober 2001 20:30 >An: ian jackson; idealcopy@smoe.org >Cc: Mileta Okiljevic >Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] OT - pre/post holiday listening > > >> Bachmann-Turner Overdrive - Best Of (So Far) >> Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath / Sabotage > >when i was kid, i bought few singles from BTO and i like >it..ha, ha...few days ago i heard it on radio and also like it !! >miles away from today's band especially that Limp Bizkit, >Green Day and similar type of bands ( respect to all into them !) My son (13 years old) borrowed the new cd from limp bizkit from a friend and listened to it very loud and often last week. My wife went crazy and always shouted "Stop that horrible noise ..." which reminds me on the same situation some 30 years ago when my mother shouted the same sentence at me when "mama were all crazee now" from Slade was playin' ... ;-)) BTW, that Limp Bizkit cd is really shitty but nevertheless I had to copy it for him ... seems I'm to old for this stuff. FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 22 Oct 2001 04:24:19 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: levene Re: [idealcopy] IC OT DEVO/Rotten there is quite a good levine web site which somebody here (graeme?) will know th address of. mcgeogh's solo career hasn't really taken off , he has a band in theory but they don't seem to do anything. he looks even worse than levine , which isn't easy. i did see rumours he had a band formed with the sax player of spandau ballet ; thankfully that one didn't take off either. p ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #318 *******************************