From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #317 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, October 21 2001 Volume 04 : Number 317 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] WIRE MAIL ORDER - GOING OUT OF BUSINESS ["wiremailorder.com" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - first punk purchases [MarkBursa@aol.com] [idealcopy] OT - first punk purchases ["Mats Hammerman" ] Re: [idealcopy] IC OT DEVO/Rotten [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Does exactly what it says on the tin... [Tim ] Re: [idealcopy] Visage [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Does exactly what it says on the tin... [RLynn9@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Does exactly what it says on the tin... [Eardrumbuz@aol.c] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:38:17 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: [idealcopy] WIRE MAIL ORDER - GOING OUT OF BUSINESS This is the last email we will be sending. Thank you for all your patronage over the years. You may still order from the website until NOVEMBER 15th. http://www.wiremailorder.com thank you wire mail order ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 08:12:00 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - first punk purchases John, My first punk single was God Save the Queen, purchased on day of release from the sadly departed The Disc Centre in Lytham St Annes... Not sure what came next. First punk album was the Clash's first, followed by Rattus Norvegicus and In the City by the Jam. Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 12:44:41 From: "Mats Hammerman" Subject: [idealcopy] OT - first punk purchases I was in London in 77 with my schoolclass and bought 27 albums with hard/symphonic rock. But I also bought 4 singles that totally changed my world. The Clash - White riot Sex Pistols - God save.. Ultravox - Young Savage Stranglers - Peaches. The 27 album gathered a lot of dust and the singles did not. It took me almost 10 years until I had listened to all the 27 album but the singles are so well played that you can hardly hear the music on them nowadays for all the scratches. I also saw Ultravox at Marquee club and was totally stunned. Still one of my really magical conserts... All the best Mats _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 13:58:19 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - first punk purchases on leaving school at 16, i blew nearly all my first giro (social security cheque) on 'Another Music In A Different Kitchen'. my mum, predictably, went spare... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 16:41:09 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - first punk purchases : > My first punk single was God Save the Queen, purchased on day of release from > the sadly departed The Disc Centre in Lytham St Annes... Not sure what came > next. First punk album was the Clash's first, followed by Rattus Norvegicus > and In the City by the Jam. speaking about Stranglers, did you hear about Three Man And Black ? line up - near JJ rest of two man are Jake Burns ( Stiff Little Fingers ) and Steve Diggle ( Buzzcocks ) . Black is Pauline from Selector. as i know there will be some kind of acoustic shows in December.. and friend fwd.me some mails from Sisters Of Mercy mailing list Devoto was discussed last few days, is it true that he is now a photo librarian whatever does it mean... i respect man very much, thanx God that Oasis and similar didn't figure him as some kind of inspiration and similar... punk get me in a moment, but what really blows me away was Shot by Both Sides !!! mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 17:37:35 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: [idealcopy] IC OT DEVO/Rotten This from an 'Onion' interview with Mark Mothersbaugh of Devo (link to full text at end). I was quite a Devo fan in the late seventies/early eighties but have never heard this one before. Possibly a Mothersbaugh wind-up, but... "So, Bob Casale and I go down to Jamaica, where we've never been before, and we have no money. We don't have a record deal or anything. Richard Branson gets us really high 'cause he's got this big pile of pot on the table. We're there with all these South Americans who were a part of Virgin Records, and he goes, "What do you guys think of the Sex Pistols?" I go, "You know what? We just saw them last week. They came over to where we were staying in San Francisco 'cause we were both playing there on the same weekend, when they played their last show. It's a shame that they broke up." And he says, "Well, I'll tell you why. We have Johnny Rotten in the next room, and he wants to be the new lead singer for Devo. If you guys are up for that, we have the press from England here, and they're ready to take photos and do articles if you guys want to announce right now that Johnny Rotten is the new lead singer for Devo." Bob and I are like... This time, it's not like, "I think I'm getting high." It's like, "Oh, shit. What the fuck are they doing?" It was one of those horrible events where you realize you're sitting on the floor, and all these people are sitting around you, and I never realized how big Richard Branson's teeth were until that day. He's, like, staring at me with this big smile waiting for me to just say, "Yeah, Johnny Rotten can join Devo." Maybe you've been to school before, and in a situation where there's something totally absurd; it's a totally mundane normal experience that seems surreal and absurd, and you're fighting back laughter. You stifle laughter, and that just makes it worse, and then you can't help it. You're laughing so hard you can't stop. I'm in front of this guy who's a multi-millionaire already, and famous because of the Sex Pistols and Mike Oldfield, and I'm going, "Oh my god, this is not the way to start up a relationship." I'm trying to go, "We're not laughing at you. This is a great idea, but really, come on." We couldn't stop laughing. We were laughing so hard." http://avclub.theonion.com/avclub3123/avfeature3123.html ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 14:17:00 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] IC OT DEVO/Rotten In a message dated 20/10/01 17:35:13 GMT Daylight Time, ian@ibarrett.fsnet.co.uk writes: > I was quite a Devo fan in the late seventies/early eighties but have never > heard this one before. Possibly a Mothersbaugh wind-up, but... > > /////sorry , great tale but i just cannot believe that at all. although JL might have looked pretty cool in the skate gear. p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:27:12 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Does exactly what it says on the tin... Howard Wrote: >I like some of their records, but wonder how many of their > >albums anyone really needs? I kind of like bands that release the subtle variations on the same tune over and over again. I can think of several...Stereolab, Spiritualized, Magnetic Fields, Mogwai, Cocteau Twins, Autechre, Plaid, Labradford (oh yes!), Godspeed You Black Emperor (yes you!) It never did the Ramones any harm did it? Maybe its an outward symbol of insecurity...I'm drawn to bands that won't let you down! Aphex Twin is getting a lot of stick for releasing an new LP that sounds too much like Aphex Twin... I suppose there is a fine line between being Oasis and releasing records that sound like out-takes from the last one, and being A Certain Ratio and lurching from Joy Division style doom-rock to slickly produced cover versions of Stevie Wonder songs. Stereolab? They can be great live. One of the best gigs I've yet seen was them around Emperor Tomato Ketchup where, bizarrely, the had Sonic Boom with huge shades on, smoking a huge joint up on a podium playing his Theremin, and most of Tortoise banging away on percussion...they made a fantastic racket. They are worth catching live, as they usually cut loose from the 'loungey' style of their recent records and let rip. Why wouldn't anyone want to watch three beautiful women playing one-finger keyboard pop and krautrock epics? - ----------------------------------------------------------- More! www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 21 Oct 2001 01:39:53 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] Visage Robert Lynn wrote: >awww...c'mon...what's wrong with Visage?? Er....they were a bunch of irritating media plebs and clubland chancers, their record sucked, and fat men look shite with make-up on. But seriously, the likes of 'Visage' planted the seed of the idea that you could get in the charts just by hanging around in elitist nightclubs doing drugs and dressing up as pirate. I see a direct lineage from this to the likes of 'Judge' Jules and all those effing 'Superstar DJs' putting records out. Apart from that.....nothing wrong with them at all. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:35:47 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Visage In a message dated 10/20/01 8:52:03 PM Central Daylight Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > >awww...c'mon...what's wrong with Visage?? > > Er....they were a bunch of irritating media plebs and clubland chancers, > their record sucked, and fat men look shite with make-up on. > > But seriously, the likes of 'Visage' planted the seed of the idea that you > could get in the charts just by hanging around in elitist nightclubs doing > drugs and dressing up as pirate. I see a direct lineage from this to the > likes of 'Judge' Jules and all those effing 'Superstar DJs' putting > records out. > > Apart from that.....nothing wrong with them at all. > WELL, I CAN'T AGREE WITH YOU THERE...I THINK THEIR FIRST TWO ALBUMS (OF THREE) WERE PRETTY DARN GOOD...I DON'T REALLY CARE HOW FAT STRANGE WAS OR HOW STUPID HIS MAKE-UP LOOKED...I DON'T USUALLY JUDGE MUSIC ON SUCH CRITERIA....I WILL HOWEVER AGREE WITH ON THE SUBJECT OF "SUPERSTAR" DJS...WHAT A JOKE...YER OAKENFOLDS AND WOT NOT....BUNCH OF ARROGANT TWATS WHO SOMEHOW FOOL IDIOTS INTO THINKING THEY ARE SOME SORT OF TALENT.... ROBERT LYNN ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 22:39:32 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Does exactly what it says on the tin... In a message dated 10/20/01 8:51:55 PM Central Daylight Time, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > I kind of like bands that release the subtle variations on the same tune > over and over again. I can think of several...Stereolab, Spiritualized, > Magnetic Fields, Mogwai, Cocteau Twins, Autechre, Plaid, Labradford (oh > yes!), Godspeed You Black Emperor (yes you!) > It never did the Ramones any harm did it? > > YOU ARE KIDDING RIGHT? ESPECIALLY THE MENTION OF THE COCTEAU TWINS, AUTECHRE, AND PLAID...THAT IS A RIDICULOUS STATEMENT...HOW MANY OF THEIR RECORDS HAVE YOU HEARD? AUTECHRE DEFINATELY NEVER SOUNDS LIKE A SUBTLE VARIATION TO ME AT ALL... ROBERT ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 20 Oct 2001 23:44:35 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Does exactly what it says on the tin... In a message dated 10/20/01 10:40:32 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: >timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: > >> I kind of like bands that release the subtle variations on the same tune >> over and over again. I can think of several...Stereolab, Spiritualized, >> Magnetic Fields, Mogwai, Cocteau Twins, Autechre, Plaid, Labradford >(oh >> yes!), Godspeed You Black Emperor (yes you!) >> It never did the Ramones any harm did it? >> >YOU ARE KIDDING RIGHT? ESPECIALLY THE MENTION OF THE COCTEAU TWINS, i agree with tim here, at least on those i'm most familiar with, definitely cocteau twins...more drastic change from first album/singles to post-treasure, but still very much built on their own style and from aikea-guinea right through to the end made the very subtle changes tim refers to...gybe make it quite obvious (even naming an album after the key all the music is in!), ramones were masters of their own fate (and maybe missed out on major chart success because of it? anyone care to comment on that?), and how's about sonic youth, swans, new order (post-movement, once they found their own identity), and howzabout 80's wire?! to bring things on topic... not every song sounds alike, but neither does every stereolab song (you can divide em up into a few types). i think our boys built on a particular je ne sais dugga, n'est pas? pardon my french, paul c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #317 *******************************