From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #315 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, October 19 2001 Volume 04 : Number 315 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #314 ["Wilson, Paul" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - pre/post holiday listening ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - pre/post holiday listening [RLynn9@aol.com] [idealcopy] Re:spinning in the midwest ["r\)\(0\)\(m" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - Stereolab question [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] cheese (was Re: [idealcopy] Pick of the month) [Eardrumbuz@aol.com] [idealcopy] Anthrax ["Andrew Lumbard" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT - pre/post holiday listening [Bart ] AW: [idealcopy] OT - pre/post holiday listening [Woerner Frank Subject: [idealcopy] RE: idealcopy-digest V4 #314 >>>You're going to have serious problems when these new CD's hit the market in a big way - the ones with the new spoiler software, which will stop CD tracks being turned into MP3s, and will prevent copying of CD's on a PC!<<< This really annoys me. Almost all of the MP3s on my Mac at home are from *legal* CDs I own. Those that aren't come from deleted ones that I'm still hunting for. Mind you, said 'protection' doesn't actually work on the Mac at the moment, so I'm okay for now :) Well, as far as I am aware, the new spoiler software is embedded into each track and causes a nasty hissing noise when copied. The article I read didn't mention any distinction between PC and MAC. Apparently though, there is one Country and Western CD been released which has the spoiler on it, but, when you buy the CD, it comes with a registration form which, once you've registered as the owner, enables you to go to a web site and download the MP3 files for all the tracks. Maybe there is something in those which would enable the company to track back to anyone making illegal copies. rezmole ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 09:48:20 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Pick of the Month >Stereolab - Sound Dust I must agree, Sound-Dust is the best a long time from the 'lab..although i did enjoy dots and loops a whole lot. >Susumu Yokota - Zero i have "sakura" and i think its darn great, any other ambientish albums i should pick by susumu? there was another one "grinning cat", just released, but i hear it was very housey ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 15:09:03 +0100 From: Mark Short Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Pick of the Month Rain19c@aol.com wrote: > >Susumu Yokota - Zero > i have "sakura" and i think its darn great, any other ambientish albums i should pick by susumu? there was another one "grinning cat", just released, but i hear it was very housey > > ~michael I have "Grinning Cat", and wouldn't describe it as housey or ambient. After several listenings, it's failed to make an impression on me. Mark S ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 20:29:44 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - pre/post holiday listening > Bachmann-Turner Overdrive - Best Of (So Far) > Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath / Sabotage when i was kid, i bought few singles from BTO and i like it..ha, ha...few days ago i heard it on radio and also like it !! miles away from today's band especially that Limp Bizkit, Green Day and similar type of bands ( respect to all into them !) also, one guy from neighbourhood had collection and it include BS - Vol 4 , i remember that album.. when grunge start to happening it was very in to recall that all of them listening as kids Black Sabbath ( what was crime in punk days..), personally i liked some records from his collection but selective ( part of Led Zeppelin stuffs from first 4 albums, and... Yes never impressed me..), that was a long time ago.. maybe i should check them again.. i was proud on my collection of Slade, T. Rex , Garry Glitter and few Sweet singles... but as a relic i adore 5.15 single from Who , a gift from my uncle...sadly, that i "lost" that single.. of course, it lasted until i haven' t heard Can & Tangerine Dream for a first time.. must admit that Can make some hypnotic effects on me, but TD change my life...until punk of course.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:40:53 -0700 (PDT) From: Felton Frog-Mon Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Stereolab question Hey all- Having only listened to one Stereolab album, which I really didn't like, I have been interested in how often they pop up on this list. That said, they are scheduled to play a couple of shows at the Fillmore in SF and I wanted to see if any ICers had comments about their live shows. Thanks, Stay ideal! RJH Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. http://personals.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 14:43:11 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - pre/post holiday listening In a message dated 10/18/01 1:26:49 PM Central Daylight Time, baltazar@panet.bits.net writes: << Black Sabbath - Sabbath Bloody Sabbath / Sabotage >> man, do these records smoke!!! i love em...they even started using weird synthesizer noises on those records....great stuff...i love Black Sabbath Volume 4 as well....."Supernaut" rocks!!!! ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 16:28:24 -0500 From: "r\)\(0\)\(m" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:spinning in the midwest these disques are currently rockin' my world: nobakazu takemura - meteor really long for an EP - an nice reference to the empty bottle show i missed a few years back pub - do you ever regret pantomime nice minimal techno - summer is recommended as well sato yumiko - elfish echo presents less minimal techno electronics mascott - follow the sound indie chickpop with some production by the omnipresent jim o'rourke see www.darla .com for more details very lyrical (and i am not talking about words) akiko yano - home girl journey solo piano and vocal - simply beautiful as te rev. al would say jane siberry - when i was a boy healing music from our northern sister the japanese concept of healing music is v. important to me these days ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 23:39:17 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Stereolab question saw them at the 2nd Phoenix festival in the UK, 92? 93? and then in Liverpool in about 95/96 with Yo La Tengo... anyway, both times they were positively uplifting, but they are probably a very different band now. still, i'd say go and see them, according to reports of the new lp, they have stripped the instrumentation back down, which can only be a good thing IMO. salud, ian.s.j. >From: Felton Frog-Mon >To: idealcopy@smoe.org >Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Stereolab question >Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 11:40:53 -0700 (PDT) > >Hey all- > >Having only listened to one Stereolab album, which I >really didn't like, I have been interested in how >often they pop up on this list. That said, they are >scheduled to play a couple of shows at the Fillmore in >SF and I wanted to see if any ICers had comments about >their live shows. > >Thanks, > >Stay ideal! > >RJH >Make a great connection at Yahoo! Personals. >http://personals.yahoo.com _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 00:00:27 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] 'old/noo metal'... Mileta wrote : >when i was kid, i bought few singles from BTO and i like >it..ha, ha...few days ago i heard it on radio and also like it !! >miles away from today's band especially that Limp Bizkit, >Green Day and similar type of bands ( respect to all into them !) yeah, i really can't help but still love the stuff i used to listen to as a kid...deeply uncool in certain quarters, but, fuck it... my 11 year old son wants an electric guitar for Christmas. he loves Papa Roach, Limp Bizkit, Blink 182, Linkin Park, System Of A Down.... he even wants a copy of the last Slipknot lp now...almost makes me wish i hadn't brainwashed him with The Ramones when he was 2 or 3!!! >also, one guy from neighbourhood had collection and it include >BS - Vol 4 , i remember that album.. >when grunge start to happening it was very in to recall that all of >them listening as kids Black Sabbath ( what was crime in punk >days..), personally i liked some records from his collection but >selective ( part of Led Zeppelin stuffs from first 4 albums, and... >Yes never impressed me..), that was a long time ago.. >maybe i should check them again.. i really need to buy the remastered cd of Vol. 4... >i was proud on my collection of Slade, T. Rex , Garry Glitter >and few Sweet singles... still got all my glam singles and re-buying old lp's... hence the appearance of 'Slade In Flame' on a previous 'playlist' post... >until punk of course.. well, yeah, of course ;-) cheers, ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 18 Oct 2001 22:02:24 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - Stereolab question you could describe their live shows as lo-fi too, very stripped down, no fancy lights (unless you count that one time i saw them and they had one of those lcd thingies with the words that go by)...still a fascinating live band, and i'll second what ian said "very uplifting"...and last year's show in ny featured a long jam with jim gastr del rourke at the end - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 01:09:24 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: cheese (was Re: [idealcopy] Pick of the month) In a message dated 10/17/01 9:38:06 PM, RLynn9@aol.com writes: >..i happen to think >stereolab are grade a government cheese! i kinda like to think of em as some nice warm brie on a crusty french bread with a glass of chardonnay, followed by a bucket of steamers (hold the butter cuz these are really sweet ones), the rest of the bread, and a pint of guinness - -paul c.d. (looking forward to getting the new stereolab) currently listening to the potomac accord-silver line on a black sea ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 08:23:28 +0100 From: "Andrew Lumbard" Subject: [idealcopy] Anthrax <<>> <<< Fears over a biological attack have prompted Anthrax lead singer Joey Belladonna to consider changing the name of his band. "A guy came up to me the other day and said 'Wouldn't it be ironic if you died of Anthrax?'". "I said 'No! I will not die an ironic death!'"' Good on yer Joey!>>> AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:34:49 +0200 From: Bart Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT - pre/post holiday listening > i was proud on my collection of Slade, T. Rex , Garry Glitter > and few Sweet singles... > but as a relic i adore 5.15 single from Who , a gift from my > uncle...sadly, that i "lost" that single.. > > of course, it lasted until i haven' t heard Can & Tangerine Dream > for a first time.. > must admit that Can make some hypnotic effects on me, but TD > change my life...until punk of course.. Truely spoken like a child of '63 Mileta! For a while there you took me back. [boohoooo] Slade was my absolute fav in those days, but I remember [I remember...] the Who's "Won't get fooled again" to be my first single, soon followed by Pink Floyd's "Arnold Layne". Alice Cooper was also fascinating, but I guess I found him [together with Bowie in those days] a bit frightening. And of course Roxy was great in those days! A few years later I too was really into Tangerine Dream. Indeed punk changed everything! My first punk-single was the Damned's "New Rose" [Bowie & Iggy really liked it too, I heard] I'm really curious about other IdealCopiers first punk singles... Bart www.bartvandamme.com bartvandamme@home.nl icq: 106821124 ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 19 Oct 2001 09:49:14 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] OT - pre/post holiday listening >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Bart [mailto:bart@adrem.nl] >Gesendet: Freitag, 19. Oktober 2001 09:35 >An: Mileta Okiljevic >Cc: idealcopy@smoe.org >Betreff: Re: [idealcopy] OT - pre/post holiday listening > > >> i was proud on my collection of Slade, T. Rex , Garry Glitter >> and few Sweet singles... >> but as a relic i adore 5.15 single from Who , a gift from my >> uncle...sadly, that i "lost" that single.. >> >> of course, it lasted until i haven' t heard Can & Tangerine Dream >> for a first time.. >> must admit that Can make some hypnotic effects on me, but TD >> change my life...until punk of course.. > > >Truely spoken like a child of '63 Mileta! For a while there you took me >back. [boohoooo] >Slade was my absolute fav in those days, but I remember [I >remember...] the >Who's "Won't get fooled again" to be my first single, soon >followed by Pink >Floyd's "Arnold Layne". Alice Cooper was also fascinating, but >I guess I >found him [together with Bowie in those days] a bit frightening. And of >course Roxy was great in those days! >A few years later I too was really into Tangerine Dream. > >Indeed punk changed everything! My first punk-single was the >Damned's "New >Rose" [Bowie & Iggy really liked it too, I heard] > >I'm really curious about other IdealCopiers first punk singles... My first album was "Slade Alive" .. must have been in 1972 if I remember correctly ... this was the album with the VERY LOUD belch during a rather quiet part of a song. Slade were my favourite group during this time when the three most successfull bands were Sweet, T.Rex and Slade in Germany. The next albums I bought were Ten Years After, Moody Blues and America's "Homecoming". Of these four groups I still listen to America's songs now and then ... And from this period to my first contact with Wire (as early as the Pink Flag release) there was a long way to go. FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #315 *******************************