From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #308 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, October 12 2001 Volume 04 : Number 308 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] re:bjork [giluz ] [idealcopy] Luc, Graham, and Bruce [Michael Flaherty ] Re: [idealcopy] FAO Jeff Hall - completely OT [jeffh@artnet.net (Jeff Hal] Re: [idealcopy] Mercy ["ian jackson" ] Re: [idealcopy] OT Coming up as stories in the programme... ["Ian B" ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:06:02 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] re:bjork on 11/10/01 11:26 AM, Alistair Tear at alistairtear@streetmanagement.org.uk wrote: > giluz wrote>> would wholeheartedly recommend watching Von-Treier's earlier > movies, > especially Zentropa, one of the best films ever made anywhere. A dark > journey to post-WW2 Germany - one of those perfect films where the visual > aspect and the narrative aspect are both so brilliant and work so well > together. > > > That was released here (uk) as 'Europa' did it really > have another title elsewhere..? It was actually called Night Trains in Hebrew. > > For early Von Trier, I'd also recommend 'the Element of Crime' > starring a fat bloke who's now an 'Eastender' (Brit soap for non-uk-listers) Yes - it's very good too. > > > later > > A ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 08:24:44 -0500 From: Michael Flaherty Subject: [idealcopy] Luc, Graham, and Bruce >From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= >Bruce has definitely used Luc Ferrari CD's when >Beekeeping, but whether he heard them before that I >don't know, however I have a sneaking suspicion that >even though he may deny it he and Graham have both >listened to Ferrari (but maybe after Dome / Music for >Fruit). Not surprised ... and not sure why they would deny it. Music for Fruit is however very much a >masterpiece that mixes musique concrete and a small >bit of techno art rock mentality and comes up with >something as good as if not better than the best of >those various worlds / times. > >As for Ocsid - I hear more similarities to Coil & >Throbbing Gristle & Pan Sonic than Ferrari, Sure. I certainly didn't mean to belittle any of this work, or to say Ferrari was the main influence. But clearly he is part of a long chain that Graham and Bruce are now a solid part of. Michael Flaherty ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 10:20:04 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Xenakis, Ussachevsky, Mimaroglu last night i listened to: Xenakis - Electronic Music (Orient-Occident is great!) Vladimir Ussechevsky - Film Music Ilhan Mimaroglu - Outstanding Warrants anybody out there heard these? any opinions? Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 19:07:22 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Xenakis, Ussachevsky, Mimaroglu > last night i listened to: > > Xenakis - Electronic Music (Orient-Occident is great!) > Vladimir Ussechevsky - Film Music > Ilhan Mimaroglu - Outstanding Warrants > > anybody out there heard these? any opinions? i must admit never heard anything from these, even if name Xenakis sound familiar.. but, i get mp3 of A.Mon with album El Khela. instrumental disturbing album.. does anyone knows anuyhing about them !? i like it very much.. > > Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 12:43:09 -0500 From: "r\)\(0\)\(m" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:[OT] Mercy maore on CNN (and the internet in general) as a reliable new source http://www.securitynewsportal.com/article.php?sid=1912&mode=&order=0 dmc - who sincerely wishes he had something ontopic to contribute ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 11:25:51 -0700 From: jeffh@artnet.net (Jeff Hall) Subject: Re: [idealcopy] FAO Jeff Hall - completely OT >How are you Jeff? now I'm embarrassed knowing that you're here - what if I >said something you know to be complete bollocks - Dan wouldn't care, but I'd >hate for you to catch me - no, I think I'm safe, unless Dan remembers >something but I know he's too much the gentleman to say - you don't mind >terribly if I took all the credit for all your work do you? > >Laurel > > You have nothing to be concerned about, remember that I don't read this! Jeff ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 20:03:14 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Mercy Graeme wrote : >Bush calls his latest flouting of international law a >'crusade'. A very unfortunate word in as much as the >'muslims' (who always had more to lose) always >defeated the half assed 'crusaders' in the end. Jesus >wouldn't like it. three words... 'Operation Enduring Bullshit' ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 21:44:02 +0100 From: "Ian B" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT Coming up as stories in the programme... Mark Bursa said > You really should track down the videos of 'The Day Today', a fantastic spoof > TV news series (a Chris Morris series from about 5 years ago). The 'War' > episode is particularly relevant... Was watching Sky News on Sunday evening as the bombing raids started and was struck by the similarities with "The Day to Day" "YES...It's War!" pisode; - "..now over to (name of correspondant) at the Info Wall to explain what's going on..." - cut to Sky reporter stood in front of banks of screens with borderline meaningless graphics I read a book not long ago containing a critique of The Day Today which said something along the lines of the programme exploding modern day TV news coverage only to see the pieces fall back into exactly the same order as they had been. Ian B ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 11 Oct 2001 23:50:43 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Coil's Cold Cell Robert asked >>>>Speaking of Coil Graeme, have you (or any ideal copyists) heard the track Cold Cell by Coil ? Yes I have. It didn't strike me as one of their best, but after a few listens grew. The same happened with Musick to Play in the Dark which left me rather nonplussed the first couple of times. It has also grown on me. No such problems with the excellent Musick to Play in the Dark 2. I have to say my favourite Coil discs are probably Gold is the Metal, Time Machines & Unnatural History 2 & 3. I must've assimilated more music by Coil in a shorter time period than any other band (9 CD's in under a week!!!) >>>>It is on the Wiretapper 6 compilation By far the best compilation they've done - only 5-6 boring tracks on a double CD. >>>>It is apparently from their forthcoming lp "Backwards" on Trent Reznor's Nothing label.. I think it's actually a demo for that. >>>>it's been due for about two years now..lol..... I think its been due for more than 3!!! The last I heard they'd shelved it & I doubt Reznor will release it although it might come out somewhere else perhaps. Odd that Reznor makes such shitty music when he appreciates Coil & Einsturzende Neubauten. >>>>anyway, the track is really great! sounds similar to Musick to Play in the Dark stuff... It does indeed... Mileta suggested some listening for the megalomaniacs >>>>bin Laden - Sisterhood/Jihad There's also a Killing Joke instrumental called 'Jihad' which appears on their rather critical and also rather crap single 'America' which always reminded me of 'Jump' by Van Halen and put me off the band for years. Of course bin Laden & the Taliban don't want us listening to decadant goth rock shlock (is there an Afghan black market in Killing Joke & Sisterhood records though?) Funnily enough nor do Blair & Bush... As for a 'jihad' muslims have said that a jihad is called to kill only the guilty. Mark said >>>>You really should track down the videos of 'The Day Today', a fantastic spoof TV news series (a Chris Morris series from about 5 years ago). The 'War' episode is particularly relevant... >>>>Sounds like you're describing Barbara Wintergreen of CBN News. Satirism always seems to have a moral element to it. Or is that the whole point? Chris Morris/Day Today & that Beefheart documentary are just about the only TV shows I've bothered to watch in years. LUYH! Graeme np Acid Mothers Temple - New Geocentric World ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 12 Oct 2001 01:41:26 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Coil's Cold Cell on 12/10/01 1:50 AM, Graeme Rowland at crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk wrote: > Mileta suggested some listening for the megalomaniacs >>>>> bin Laden - Sisterhood/Jihad > > There's also a Killing Joke instrumental called > 'Jihad' which appears on their rather critical and > also rather crap single 'America' which always > reminded me of 'Jump' by Van Halen and put me off the > band for years. > And don't forget Eno's delightfull "Burning Airlines Give You So Much More" - - this seems to happen quite frequently lately as well. giluz ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #308 *******************************