From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #306 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Wednesday, October 10 2001 Volume 04 : Number 306 Today's Subjects: ----------------- Re: [idealcopy] OT-Jim Kerr & Sheffield Steel [jeffh@artnet.net (Jeff Hal] [idealcopy] Re:[ot] bjork ["David McKenzie" ] [idealcopy] Re:[ot]dm ["David McKenzie" ] [idealcopy] Re: Bjork ["J.D. McEachin" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: Bjork [giluz ] [idealcopy] Mercy [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Re:[ot] bjork imo, vespertine is very nice that said, if you didn't like homogenic or selmasongs, giv it a pass thomas knak (opiate) adds alot of elektronics here as well as mark bell's contributions but it is a very understated affair as an aside, i always thought there should have been a race of bjorkans on star trek i've been listening to: astro age steel orchestra - happy living lee perry - the upsetter sessions en - silence is sexy and various stuff downloaded from http://www.systemf3.com clickBleepWhirr r)(0)(m ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 06:27:34 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:[ot]dm > ...Depeche Mode will be supported by Fad Gadget it's just a step to the left... ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 9 Oct 2001 08:24:09 -0700 (PDT) From: "J.D. McEachin" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Bjork giluz wrote: >Didn't like the movie and the soundtrack - same thing that bothered me with her album before that (produced by Bell as well, if I'm not mistaken) - - mediocre songs with mediocre production - the use of drum machines and a live orchestra is BORING - Nellie Hopper (who produced the first two Bjork albums) was much more inventive and interesting. I've got a strong suspicion that the new album is also a yawn machine. Boring? I cry with genuine feeling almost every time I hear "I've Seen It All", and I cried twice at the movie. I'm not a sensitive guy prone to crying jags, so I must conclude that both song and movie pack quite an emotional wallop. The problem I have with the first 2 Bjork albums is that most of the songs are a paint-by-numbers pastiche of techno with a plastic sheen of production on top. I find this to be HIGHLY ANNOYING, and prefer the remixes, especially those by Black Dog. But I thought this was a WIRE maillist, so I'll mention that, after all these years, I'm finally beginning to appreciate "Manscape". It's weird, but after finding it unlistenable for so long, I put it on a few weeks ago and thought it was so good that I listened to it again. I may be an atypical Wire fan in that once every 6-12 months I listen to most of my 20+ Wire & solo CDs, then put them away until the urge strikes me again. And I tend to prefer the more electronic stuff to the punk, though the earlier albums are great to listen to whenever I have to demolish part of my house. Until next time, JDM ------------------------------ Date: Tue, 09 Oct 2001 17:31:40 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: Bjork on 9/10/01 6:24 PM, J.D. McEachin at jdm@synthcom.com wrote: > giluz wrote: > >> Didn't like the movie and the soundtrack - same thing that bothered me > with her album before that (produced by Bell as well, if I'm not mistaken) > - mediocre songs with mediocre production - the use of drum machines and a > live orchestra is BORING - Nellie Hopper (who produced the first two Bjork > albums) was much more inventive and interesting. I've got a strong > suspicion that the new album is also a yawn machine. > > Boring? I cry with genuine feeling almost every time I hear "I've Seen It > All", and I cried twice at the movie. I'm not a sensitive guy prone > to crying jags, so I must conclude that both song and movie pack quite an > emotional wallop. > That's the problem I have with the film - it does attempt (and in most cases succeed) to manipulate you emotionally, but it didn't touch me at all. I didn't like the simplistic story, I didn't like the characters, I didn't like the "les miserables" attitude of wallowing in human suffering and tragedy. I think it tried to work on the same level of old European films like "the Bicycle Thieves", but failed completely. It's just another case of intellectual kitsch, the worst kitsch existing. And I didn't like the theoretical structure of the film, its post-modern outtake of the musical, a genre best left forgotten. I had enough of European filmmakers doing a homage for Hollywood films - it was nice while it lasted in the last 4 decades, but it got sour just like Hollywood itself since the 80's. I would wholeheartedly recommend watching Von-Treier's earlier movies, especially Zentropa, one of the best films ever made anywhere. A dark journey to post-WW2 Germany - one of those perfect films where the visual aspect and the narrative aspect are both so brilliant and work so well together. cheers, giluz > The problem I have with the first 2 Bjork albums is that most of the songs > are a paint-by-numbers pastiche of techno with a plastic sheen of > production on top. I find this to be HIGHLY ANNOYING, and prefer the > remixes, especially those by Black Dog. > > > But I thought this was a WIRE maillist, so I'll mention that, after all > these years, I'm finally beginning to appreciate "Manscape". It's weird, > but after finding it unlistenable for so long, I put it on a few weeks ago > and thought it was so good that I listened to it again. > > I may be an atypical Wire fan in that once every 6-12 months I listen to > most of my 20+ Wire & solo CDs, then put them away until the urge strikes > me again. And I tend to prefer the more electronic stuff to the punk, > though the earlier albums are great to listen to whenever I have to > demolish part of my house. > > Until next time, > JDM ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:16:03 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Mercy Not to offend American listers who may feel there is some kind of justification for the obviously illegal bullshit corrupting our world at present: Today an ex Tory minister war apologist was bullshitting on the radio and made it clear as I read between his lies... BUT Everybody failed to hear the warning! Where will it end? Are you in guns? Are you in guns? Just for one split second saw the great work of man As he turned the great forests into sand I wish to express my utter disgust at the inevitable tit for tat crap slaughter erupting before our eyes and lies/ Our own correspondents Are running out of tape! And being divested of their black smocks Please remember that our 'leaders' in both the US & UK are cheats and frauds who got where they are by disenfranchising the very people with the sensiblilty to disable their obscene megalomania. How many disqualifications for predominately black areas in the last US election? Of course the perceived 'enemy' of Bush's war on terrorism (it seems to me to be a rewriting of international law to let the USA wage war on anyone who opposes their cout government's oppressive foreign policy but correct me if you can do better than Noam Chomsky please). Bush & Blair (entirely seperate entities from the US & UK populace in my experience) have played right into the hands of Osama bin Laden in one sense. He wants an endless war to rally young muslims to his cause; people who have known nothing but oppression and injustice and war every day since their birth. No wonder they give up their lives willingly. Maybe some western 'leaders' want an endless war too to instigate their ONE WORLD government. It is time to stop following the leaders. And remember: there is no enemy - but it's still OK to drop bombs on anyone nevertheless. Bush calls his latest flouting of international law a 'crusade'. A very unfortunate word in as much as the 'muslims' (who always had more to lose) always defeated the half assed 'crusaders' in the end. Jesus wouldn't like it. Violence breeds violence. Whatever happened to that inconvenient alleged Jesus directive: "Turn the other cheek?" Feed the collapse? Fuck the lot of them. Who has the stomach for years of war? "Not me" bin Laden does and so does...? The best we can hope for is that all the blood merchants kill each other and the rest of us finally get to live in peace and noise. Sorry for the lack of reference to simple minds, Graeme Babylon and on and on ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 10 Oct 2001 02:15:21 +0100 From: "Tim" Subject: [idealcopy] The Thing about Spritualized is... Caught Spiritualized in Manchester last week. I know a lot of you don't like them, and some are put off by the new LP which is a little smooth, but you still can't beat the Electric Mainline charging past you at full throttle. They have always been a different beast live, and I'm sure many doubters would have been convinced by the 13 piece monster that is the live version of Spiritualized. They roared, they droned, they did dugga, and they did amusingly forget to plug their new LP by playing a set made up of almost entirely old songs! Bless! The very fact that Spiritualized can sell out large venues, and play an extended Merzbow-lite noise workout for ten minutes bathed in blinding white strobes as their opening shot should be applauded. It is no co-incidence that on the far left of the stage on third guitar is Mr John Coxon from Spring Heel Jack who, like Mr Spaceman, is bloody good at merging avant garde and pop (see the last three SHJ Lps...and their new one) Sure Jason may be a posh junkie waster....but he probably does a lot more for the cause of 'The Other music' than a thousand un-loved laptop thrashers and sexless glue-sniffing techno dullards. You see, there were a lot of Freshers in tonight who had their minds blown wide open by the Electric Mainline, and will now see that there is life beyond Starsailor and Toploader, and perhaps find a path to all that is abstract, bastard, dugga, digital, noisy and as Aphex Twin is fond of saying....lush. - --------------------------------------------------------------------- Europe Endless www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #306 *******************************