From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #302 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, October 6 2001 Volume 04 : Number 302 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: Wir - I saw you/Clapham Grand June(?) 1992 [Howard Spence] [idealcopy] OT-Jim Kerr & Sheffield Steel ["Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wir - I saw you/Clapham Grand June(?) 1992 Paul/list, Wir played a version of `The first letter' and another track in which the main line (sung by Colin) was `Give me just a little more time' - sadly not the 60s Motown (Chairmen of the board?) number. I think that might've been it, actually. Dome performed too - must have been the final(?) outing for the tall black hats and the matchbox duet. The singer of the headlining act (who I thought were the Hafler trio but weren't, I think) splattered the audience with KY jelly. Lovely. Was the Wir/dome performance recorded? Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:46:06 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: [idealcopy] OT-Jim Kerr & Sheffield Steel Simple Minds released a new single Sept 24, 2001 named "Dancing Barefoot EP" in UK, it is a cover EP. Track Listing 1. Dancing Barefoot (Patti Smith) 2. Gloria (Van Morrisson) 3. Being Boiled 4. Love Will Tear Us Apart (Joy Division) is Being Boiled that one Being Boiled !! listen to the voice of Budha ! cheerz mileta ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 16:44:51 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-Jim Kerr & Sheffield Steel In a message dated 05/10/01 16:45:39 GMT Daylight Time, baltazar@panet.bits.net writes: > Simple Minds released a new single Sept 24, 2001 named "Dancing Barefoot EP" > in UK, it is a cover EP. > Track Listing > 1. Dancing Barefoot (Patti Smith) > 2. Gloria (Van Morrisson) > 3. Being Boiled > 4. Love Will Tear Us Apart (Joy Division) > /////// ok jim , you've had your fun but now you are getting annoying. worrying thought ; this guy probably has some wire in his collection...... p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 17:20:46 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-Jim Kerr & Sheffield Steel well, it never fails to amaze how bands can make such poor choices of cover tunes. i mean, you'd better have something really interesting to do with a great song that's been recorded and/or performed well by the original artist. otherwise, how can it be done any justice? now i haven't heard the simple minds ep, but i can't imagine hearing dancing barefoot or love will tear us apart and thinking to myself "wow" when the originals have already been so beautifully etched in my mind. i've always felt better about taking a song that had "something" in it i liked, yet lacked whatever it is that makes a song great for me, and doing something new or different with it to not necessarily improve it but just put it in a new light. then there's always the generational thing. i don't know if simple minds will introduce van morrison's music to the young crowd (does simple minds have a young audience?), but a newer, younger artist might accomplish something like that...in much the same way that the red, hot & blue album introduced young people to cole porter. and, just an asides, why are we being so hard on jim kerr and simple minds? i happen to really like new gold dream and sparkle in the rain! - -paul c.d. >> Simple Minds released a new single Sept 24, 2001 named "Dancing Barefoot >EP" >> in UK, it is a cover EP. >> Track Listing >> 1. Dancing Barefoot (Patti Smith) >> 2. Gloria (Van Morrisson) >> 3. Being Boiled >> 4. Love Will Tear Us Apart (Joy Division) >> >/////// ok jim , you've had your fun but now you are getting annoying. >worrying thought ; this guy probably has some wire in his collection...... >p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 15:10:37 -0700 From: fernando Subject: Re: [idealcopy] OT-Jim Kerr & Sheffield Steel At 17:20 -0400 10.05.2001, Eardrumbuz@aol.com wrote: > >and, just an asides, why are we being so hard on jim kerr and simple minds? i >happen to really like new gold dream and sparkle in the rain! I love those albums as well... but here we have the case of the band's name being prescient on their talents at this point... this EP is nothing short of AWFUL. Some of the worst stuff that I have heard in my life.... LWTUA is deconstructed, with only the chorus sung -- which reminds me of Ian McCollough's cover of Ceremony live, and singing the word "ceremony" towards the end... perhaps so people would know what it was... not sure. So, instead of the "love (pause) love will tear us... apart..." poignant singing... we get a happy go lucky electronica version with the title sung as if it was some Spice Girl chorus (NB: it may not be that bad, but that is my impression as I hit eject and tossed the CD to the back seat). Dancing Barefoot suffers equally, in that it is a simple song, yet changed to be devoid of all of its appeal. I am sure not to even try the album! - -fernando ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 6 Oct 2001 03:11:03 -0700 From: "tim" Subject: [idealcopy] (OT) Cabaret Voltaire 'Substance' and Box Set Just noticed a couple of pretty tasty looking compilations of Virgin/EMI-era Cabs stuff to be released on Christmas Eve. The first is the wonderfully titled: 'The Original Sound of Sheffield' which would appear to be a compilation of most of the 12" a-sides from Crackdown thru to the Code singles. This is perhaps their equivalent of New Orders 'Substance'. Well it would be if contractural law would allow it to include Nag Nag Nag, a few choice cuts from rough trade era & Yashar, but it should still make a splendid retrospective of that most confusing of bands. A perfect introduction to prime electro-era Cabs really, and perfect for the curious House/Techno fan who wants to understand CV's role in defining the roots of 21st century dance music. Then theres the box set! Always nice to see a box set consisting almost entirely of material that I don't own! 'Conform to Deform' is a 3 CD box set of B-Sides, out-takes and video soundtracks from the same era, a couple of new remixes by Richard H, and the last disk is a live set from 1990. (Highlights of Groovy Laidback & Nasty,Sensoria, a couple of tracks from Code and a couple of unreleased things)...all for a very reasonable #16! Well thats my Christmas sorted out! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 5 Oct 2001 23:19:08 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] (OT) Cabaret Voltaire 'Substance' and Box Set In a message dated 10/5/01 10:14:59 PM, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: >the 12" a-sides from Crackdown >thru to the Code singles. i absolutely love all of this stuff. of course i like the early stuff too, but the period from crackdown to code is just an outstanding, "consistent body of work" (as they said in art school) that would be great to finally get on cd. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #302 *******************************