From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #296 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, September 30 2001 Volume 04 : Number 296 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: unlikely/impossible collaborations ["=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5k] [idealcopy] Swede 2nd With Fan Mail and Discussion Topic ["=?iso-8859-1?] Re: [idealcopy] Swede 2nd With Fan Mail and Discussion Topic ["Mileta Ok] Re: [idealcopy] Re: unlikely/impossible collaborations ["Mileta Okiljevic] Re: [idealcopy] collaborations [giluz ] Re: [idealcopy] collaborations ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] [idealcopy] The Prisoner's Ecstatic Virus Ballet [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:14:21 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5kansson=2C_Anders?=" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: unlikely/impossible collaborations Bruce and Thurston has already (sort of) collaborated on Thurstons Root CD but it would be great to hear them do a whole record together. Maybe I am missing something but what is it about the Liz/Robin collaboration? Do they no longer work as Cocteau Twins? / Swede 2nd - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Till: idealcopy@smoe.org Datum: den 29 september 2001 08:57 Dmne: [idealcopy] Re: unlikely/impossible collaborations >how about a collaboration that could happen: > >bruce gilbert/thurston moore >bjork/wagonchrist (has this already happened? hehe, i don't buy every remix >ep that comes out) >harold budd/vini reilly >liz frasier/robin guthrie (perhaps this goes in the unlikely to happen >category) > >-paul c.d. > >In a message dated 9/29/01 2:10:42 AM, anders.hakansson_i_surte@telia.com >writes: > >>Name your favorite collaborations that has not/ >>can not happen. I go first: >> >>The collaboration that never will happend due to death: >>Ian Curtis and Genesis P-Orridge >>I read in the book "Wreckers of Civilisation" about a possible >>collaboration in the pipeline. >> >> >>One more that I think will be not so popular by the IC community: >>Bruce Gilbert/Merzbow ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 11:16:07 +0200 From: "=?iso-8859-1?Q?H=E5kansson=2C_Anders?=" Subject: [idealcopy] Swede 2nd With Fan Mail and Discussion Topic Hello Mileta, Who is Lowsunday? /Swede 2nd - -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- Fren: Mileta Okiljevic Till: idealcopy@smoe.org Kopia: Mileta Okiljevic Datum: den 29 september 2001 09:33 Dmne: Re: [idealcopy] Swede 2nd With Fan Mail and Discussion Topic >> The collaboration that never will happend due to death: >> Ian Curtis and Genesis P-Orridge >> I read in the book "Wreckers of Civilisation" about a possible >> collaboration in the pipeline. >> >> One more that I think will be not so popular by the IC community: >> Bruce Gilbert/Merzbow >> Two of the greatest noise creators in the world doing a collaboration >> can only be bliss. > > >some of ideas.. >Steve Roach & Brian Eno >Steve Roach & Harrold Budd >Anastasia & Lisa Gerrard >Nick Cave & Mark Lanegan >Goldfrapp & Depeche Mode >My Bloody Valentine & Lowsunday >Bark Psychosis & Slowdive > >mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:17:06 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Swede 2nd With Fan Mail and Discussion Topic > Hello Mileta, > > Who is Lowsunday? > > /Swede 2nd In fact there are whole bunch of US bands who grown up on shoe- gaze sound. For example MIRA even covered one MBV song on their Projekt debut. Funny thing is that Projekt signes few band with so obvious shoe- gaze sound ande try to put them in goth category.. Lowsunday ( formerly Lowsunday Ghost Machine ) is one of them.. What i heard remind me on some Schameleons, MBV, etc, etc.. it will be interested to see how it all will works.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:18:08 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: unlikely/impossible collaborations > Maybe I am missing something but what is it about the Liz/Robin collaboration? > Do they no longer work as Cocteau Twins? > Cocteau Twins .i think that Liz getting mad heard about Robin ! She is married to guy from Spiritualized, and Robin had new wife and new band Violet Indiana.. Simon very often said thathe Liz miss so much, but.. you can hear Liz on OVO Peter Gabriel album DVD will be next year ( Cocteau Twins & DCD also ) i will like that..but !! all the best mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 12:44:56 +0300 From: giluz Subject: Re: [idealcopy] collaborations on 29/9/01 9:09 AM, Hekansson, Anders at anders.hakansson_i_surte@telia.com wrote: > Before this turns into a complete fan mail, I would like to make a second try > of an interesting On/Off Topic discussion (It was so interesting the last time > that I only got one reply... ): Name your favorite collaborations that has > not/ > can not happen. I go first: > Frank Zappa with Gonzo the Great giluz ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:32:29 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] collaborations > Frank Zappa with Gonzo the Great Billy MacKenzie & Mike Van Portleet ( Lycia,Bleak Estraya ) mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 13:34:13 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: [idealcopy] Fripp..anyone !? Former Led Zeppelin bassist completes second album Former Led Zeppelin bassist John Paul Jones has finished recording his second solo album. "The Thunderthief" will be released early next year. It features guest appearances by Kajagoogoo bassist Nick Beggs and King Crimson guitarist Robert Fripp. The album was recorded at Jones's home studio. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 07:29:58 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] Re:collaborations > bruce gilbert/thurston moore bruce remixed thurston on Root > harold budd/vini reilly this would be interresting would they both run through the same delay, synchronize, or just let the waves slap against one another like the middle of a pool Lo records has IMHO done a fabulous job encouraging and publishing very successful (and often unlikely) collaborations there are 4 discs of the Collaborations series and the afore-mentioned 'Root' (mine came in a nifty vacuum cleaner bag which did nothing for the sonics, but ensures it's storage in a different space than the majority) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 29 Sep 2001 16:59:27 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] The Prisoner's Ecstatic Virus Ballet Paul pondered... >>>>but like you say , hard to believe wire were still 2nd on the bill to the band they called the cockney cowboys by that point. maybe jimmy p was a wire fan and his "challenging" diversions into ballet were a result of exposure to something more artful than his own bands tragic efforts? That's one of the best bits of comedy ever. Jimmy Pursey trying and failing to do 'ballet' on TV to the Stranglers 'Waltzinblack' I think. How can any DVD of boring old seventies toss be without it? If Wire inspired that then hats off! Jimmy Pursey=diamond geezer! Like the tights mate! But this predates the Clark dalliances, so maybe it was Pursey who put ideas into Wire's head??!!! Funny you should mention Killing Joke on the Tube. Their performance of 'Night Time' was rather intense compared to most of the show, and was what opened my ears to them. My other vivid memories were the Banshees doing Candyman & Landsend (although I'd liked them since Happy House/TOTP) & the Fall just fucking igniting Gut of the Quantifier top of their game! Has anyone heard the recent Fall single - very vicious sound!!! I used to get in from school & put the Tube on & if my father was home he'd switch channels & 5 minutes later fall asleep so I'd just switch back. That program really wound him up in a way that only Stiff Little Fingers doing At The Edge on TOTP ever did equally as I recall. Time reminisced >>>> The Tube? Well the clip of XTC performing on 'The Meeting Place' on the set > of The Prisoner got me into both that series and XTC... I recall the Banshees also played on the set of The Prisoner (great show, especially the last episode) & did The Passenger. I got into XTC via Sergeant Rock on Swap Shop but grew bored after Senses Working Overtime. Like the early albums (aside from the abysmal Barry Andrews tracks). Mummer did nothing for me at all, and I've heard a couple of the later albums that also left me nonplussed. Are any later works the equal of Black Sea, Complicated Game (note similarity to Colin's 'But No') & the bulk of the first two???? Dan recalled Burroughs on virus theory >>>>didn't the great w. burroughs same the same thing (or something very similar... perhaps along the lines of information being a virus) several years earlier? He certainly did and expanded his idea on this rather more effectively than dear old Laurie the fish. There's an interview with him on this very subject which you might be able to find via a google search using 'William Burroughs'. It's well worth reading but I don't recall the URL. It might be an essay from 'The Adding Machine', the entirety of which is online somewhere and is a fascinating read. If anyone is interested I have this article on disc and could email it to you. In a way it was what Burroughs was trying to do all along - in the beginning was the word, he said, and that's where it all went wrong, Mr Bradley Mr Martin... pay it all back, pay it all back! Burroughs worked way beyond mere words and certainly invoked magic and other 'insane' and discredited fancies into his work. The only thing I could ever fault him on is that he was so good at comedy, there should've been more of it (the president with all his toadies and familiars gives the finger to the American people, I got mine fuck you every crumb for himself). After reading most of Burroughs writing I still have major problems with almost any 'fiction' these days - nothing comes close! Occasionally there's a good book like Michel Faber's Under The Skin, but Burroughs writing works on so many levels of reality its always a joy to return to and offers a real escape and real hope where so much other 'fiction' is just bourgeois piffle in comparison. I think his best fictional books are The Western Lands, Cities of the Red Night, Nova Express, The Ticket That Exploded and of course the hilarious Naked Lunch! If you only ever read one more book, make it The Western Lands... if it wasn't for Burroughs, I'd have probably given up writing years ago (so is he really a curse???) Bart queried abode of the Lewis >>>>Graham Lewis, he used to live in Sweden, didn't he? Still does? Perhaps you have some information about this? Graham Lewis does still live in Sweden. This is a slight obstacle that Wire come to every time they have to get together in the UK as the air fare comes into consideration... however Ocsid & Hox use this to their advantage! No surprising Micarel then >>>>It wouldn't particularly surprise me if a few people found Graham and/or Bruce through one of their avant events, or if some found Colin through Swim. I don't KNOW of anyone who did--just saying it's possible. For what it's worth, I have several friends who rate Dome and solo Gilbert and the likes of pre he & Ocsid quite highly but don't get along with the other Wire output at all. One friend only owns Duet Emmmo, another has only Dome 2 and a third just has In Esse, Ab Ovo, Insiding & the Ovo Mix 12"... they are all well aware of Wire though. Paul Rabjohn & Mark Bursa travelled up to Manchester for the PJ Harvey gig last night & I met up with them afterwards at a Monkey Island gig before Paul drove them back down to the Midlands. LYUH! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #296 *******************************