From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #287 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Friday, September 21 2001 Volume 04 : Number 287 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] RE: Rich kids in bands. ["wiremailorder.com" ] [idealcopy] Rich Kids in Bands. Junkie Business [John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Rich kids in bands. > >Would poverty make our art any greater or would it just give us > >hunger' to get it heard by more people? Isn't this the classic Cage vs. Ives debate? Cage had a distrust (I'll use that word) for all of Ives work because of Ives parallel life as a highly succesful owner of an insurance company. Do you judge art by the artist or by the art itself? charles shop@wiremailorder.com http://www.wiremailorder.com > > ------------------------------ > > End of idealcopy-digest V4 #286 > ******************************* ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 12:58:55 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Wire posh? Bruce Gilbert is not posh by background. If you listen to the voices of his parents, on `Children' (on The Haring) the accent and manner of their expression is definitely working/lower middle class. Incidentally Eno, despite the fancy French-refugee name, is the son of a postman. Both are living examples of the post-war affluence that allowed people of their sort of background to go to university, art college, etc. Graham Lewis is from, I believe, an army family, probably went to boarding school - hence, perhaps, the velvet tones and the use of phrases like `One awaits an invitation'. Robert Gotobed actually owns an organic farm, I think ... maybe we're talking `old money'?? Colin Newman is very hard to place - classless. Anyway, none of them are exactly gilded youths in the Crispian Mills mould (now, that's what I call immensely slappable) so that's OK then. Speaking of the social origins of popstars, has anyone read 'The secret history of Kate Bush' by Fred and judy Vermorel? Kate wouldn't co-operate with them, so they wrote a (surprisingly interesting) social history of her entire family. It includes the map reference for the ditch that her drunken great-grandfather died in. great stuff. Howard (definitely non-u) ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 05:34:31 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: [idealcopy] Rich Kids in Bands. Junkie Business Oh God what have I started? Again. OK. Cheap jibe. I really couldn't give a monkey's what social class you are. Give me posh boy Lewis over authentic prole Ryder any day. What *really* peeved me about the Spacemen clan is their continual barking on about how great heroin is. You do heroin. So what? And before anyone starts defending the status of heroin users, I'm not attacking them per se. I'd imagine a lot of us on this list have done some drug or another at some time and I'm included in that group (mind you, I've never done heroin). However, I don't - and this is the crucial difference - rabbit on all the time about the positive qualities of such experiences based on what is an appalling ignorance of the plight that befalls those who find themselves 'addicted' to such substances and can't afford the lifestyle. Hence the 'posh boys' tag. Come the revolution we can all sit around all day shooting up if we want to. Til then I'd like Mr Pierce to keep his trap shut. (And he's hardly a 'rich kid' is he? He's probably even older than me.) Spiritualised's music is naff tho isn't it? Mind you, not as bad as that classic call to the proletariat to break free from their material and ideological chains that was the Spacemen's 'Revolution'... 8-) Cheers John __________________________________________________ Terrorist Attacks on U.S. - How can you help? Donate cash, emergency relief information http://dailynews.yahoo.com/fc/US/Emergency_Information/ ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 20:10:18 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Egyptian Dome Plug In Had a dream I was at Disobey upstairs at the Garage last night, with Merzbow, Niblock & Beekeeper. Then suddenly the scene shifted to Ancient Egypt where the pyramids were in construction. Bizarrely Dome were performing under the nose of the sphinx. They were dressed as WW2 British army officers with Gilbert as colonel and Lewis as major and played a set of previously unheard material to a dusty crowd of arabs who inhaled from massive bongs overflowing with kif. Lewis did some nice hammer percussion with metal objects and after the set made a handsome profit trading them to the arabs. Does anyone know of a downloadable WinAmp plugin or suchlike that I can use to convert my dream memory to WAV or MP3 so that I can share the sounds of Dome in Egypt with you all? Lock up your hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 21:34:54 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Egyptian Dome Plug In > Does anyone know of a downloadable WinAmp plugin or > suchlike that I can use to convert my dream memory to > WAV or MP3 so that I can share the sounds of Dome in > Egypt with you all? > Maybe you should ask Wim Wenders about all that !! That remind me to ask, why he never choose some Wire related things in some of his movies ... maybe it will be interesting topic in what movie Wire (& related ) music would be very good to use it.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 16:50:22 -0500 From: "Alyce Ornella" Subject: [idealcopy] OT-The Radio Show is Back! Hi everybody for anyone who listened to and liked my internet radio show that I broadcasted last spring (origami riot), i'm doing the show again this fall on Thursdays 4-5PM USA CENTRAL TIME. You could hear the show by visiting this web address: www.artic.edu/webspaces/freeradio/ Today was this semester's first show, here is what I played: the clean--getting older joy division--disorder (live preston warehouse 2/25/80) modern english--gathering dust sort sol--marble station past seven days--so many others into my arms--nick cave and the bad seeds cars and parties--edith frost that's what love is--TV personalities surgeon's girl--wire uh-oh, love comes to town--talking heads hamlet (pow pow pow)--the birthday party something's wrong--jesus and mary chain heart of darkness--mission of burma (live in chicago) dif juz--re thanks, bye alyce _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:55:23 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Wim Wenders Plugs In Egyptian Dome Graeme wrote: >> Does anyone know of a downloadable WinAmp plugin or >> suchlike that I can use to convert my dream memory to >> WAV or MP3 so that I can share the sounds of Dome in >> Egypt with you all? >> In a message dated 9/20/01 3:44:51 PM, baltazar@panet.bits.net writes: >Maybe you should ask Wim Wenders about all that !! >That remind me to ask, why he never choose some Wire related >things in some of his movies ... i've always wondered this too. i think wire sounds would fit nicely in until the end of the world or wings of desire. maybe we should all write to mister wenders? recommend a few songs for him to hear (if he hasn't already). - -paul c.d. (beginning to feel up to writing about music) today i listened to ultramarine-united kingdoms. aside from plucking a few melodies on my guitar, this is the first cd i've put on since the 11th. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 19:59:00 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] no class (was Re: Wire posh?) In a message dated 9/20/01 8:07:38 AM, hspencer@oup.co.uk writes: > Colin >Newman is very hard to place - classless. hehe, reminds me of rodney dangerfield's line to teacher sally kellerman in back to school "why don't you call me sometime when you have no class". newman defies classification the way wire's music does i suppose. - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:06:47 -0700 From: "Prince Of Happiness" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Favourites Hello, delurking for a spell... My name's Anthony, from Seattle. I turned on to Wire through "154" when I heard "I Should Have Known Better" on (of all things a goth compilation). Intrigued I picked up "154" and, surprise, I should have known better that that song wasn't indicative of what Wire was about. Nonetheless I was hooked. Still building up my collection since I only own "154" and "On Returning." Heard a "Bell Is a Cup..." I'll work on my opinions about 70's Wire and post-70's Wire when I hear more. Aaaanyways...my five*: Roxy Music-"For Your Pleasure" Wire-"154" David Bowie-"Station to Station" The Faint-"blank wave arcade" Echo and the Bunnymen-"Porcupine" *subject to change within the (insert time increment here) The Prince of Happiness "Made sacrifice your key to paradise Never mind, take the world by storm Just boogaloo a rhapsody divine"-Roxy Music, "Pyjamarama" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 17:14:44 -0700 From: "Prince Of Happiness" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #286 From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com >5 obscure clqssics > >click click ; rorshach testing > >mind you , youll struggle to get qll those :-) I'll sell my family if I can find a "click click" CD. Heard two of their songs. I want more! The Prince of Happiness "Made sacrifice your key to paradise Never mind, take the world by storm Just boogaloo a rhapsody divine"-Roxy Music, "Pyjamarama" http://princeofhappines.tripod.com/thepageofhappines.html _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 20 Sep 2001 22:02:01 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: idealcopy-digest V4 #286 In a message dated 9/20/01 7:17:42 PM Central Daylight Time, princeofhappines@hotmail.com writes: > I'll sell my family if I can find a "click click" CD. Heard two of their > songs. I want more! > unfortunately i do not have any cds but i do however have a few of their albums and a single: "Bent Massive" lp "Wet Skin and Curious Eye" lp "Rorschach Testing" lp "Yakutska/Change of Plan" 12" let me know if you would like some cassettes...maybe we could work out a trade for something....... Robert Lynn (RLynn9@aol.com) ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #287 *******************************