From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #279 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Thursday, September 13 2001 Volume 04 : Number 279 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: Manhattan [Howard Spencer ] AW: [idealcopy] Re: Manhattan [Woerner Frank ] [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Re: Manhattan ["Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: Manhattan Thinking of you all over there. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 13:31:42 +0200 From: Woerner Frank Subject: AW: [idealcopy] Re: Manhattan >-----Urspr|ngliche Nachricht----- >Von: Howard Spencer [mailto:hspencer@oup.co.uk] >Gesendet: Mittwoch, 12. September 2001 12:59 >An: idealcopy@smoe.org >Betreff: [idealcopy] Re: Manhattan > > >Thinking of you all over there. Howard My first thought was : No, that can't be, that's impossible, that's just a "Bruce-Willis-Die-hard-like" fictional movie .... And now ... I don't find the right words to express my mourning. But, the US will react to this act of war and I'm very frightened about this. FrankfromBavaria ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 09:31:35 -0700 From: "Paul Pietromonaco" Subject: [idealcopy] [OFF TOPIC] Re: Manhattan > From: Woerner Frank > > But, the US will react to this act of war and I'm > very frightened about this. > Two words: "Tactical Nuke" I'm an American, and I'm *very* concerned about this. Justice yes, revenge no. But we may not be able to keep the passions down. I think if the rest of the world unites quickly to help track down and bring the terrorists to justice, we will be satisfied. But there are extremists in every country - including ours. I just hope we don't do anything stupid. Cheers, Paul ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 19:18:22 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Symptoms & Swim Team 2 & a new Wire album idealcopy@smoe.org A review of Symptoms 'Apathy' can be read on this week's Brain: http://www.brainwashed.com/brain As usual there are 3 1min MP3 excerpts. Anyone else heard it? What did you think of it? A copy of Swim Team 2 arrived in the post this morning, so chances are that it might well be available from http://www.posteverything.com. As I type I'm on the fourth consecutive play... the track that was a real gobsmacker first time through was Colin's new Tsunami, an instrumental with a similar feel to Bastard but with a harder and fuller sound to it. Malka's Antimatter is maybe her best track, a beautiful pop gem with reversed hebrew vocals. Toucaen (from Manchester) delivers some catchy pop beats as a taster for an album due next year on the label, and the other newcomers Beatkitten (an Anglo-Italian poetess who sings about a man melting on the pavement) & Dictaphone (from Berlin via Brussells) are both quite impressive. Both remind me in different ways of Pablo's Eye who used to be on the label. Whilst Swim Team 1 had a couple of weak spots (LOGM & Steve Gears) this comprises 19 great tracks, and only 3 of them are previously released (and 2 of these are edited versions). This will probably be the best fiver you spend all year! Another thing that struck me was how serious and weighty the Symptoms track from Apathy sounded in comparison to everything else on the compilation. And there it is, an island of doomed reflection, slap bang right in the middle of the CD surrounded by happy pop upness! Robert asked when the new Wire album will be out... When they've finished it! It's been a work in progress ever since Colin found that the process of chopping up live samples into fast new tracks (as on 12 Times You) was a good way to move forward. Whether the whole album will be like this is something I'd doubt, as two of the new tracks they've played live (Zoom & He Knows) might not lend themselves to such an approach (then again maybe they would?). Germ Ship certainly would. There are also other Wire 'fan' releases that are possible, such as the 'Albini sessions' and who knows, perhaps another the 7" coupling Colin's 'Another the Letter' & 'Crazy About Love' remixes... it's all a matter of enough people contacting posteverything expressing an interest in buying these sorts of releases via the site. No, they're not asking for our money upfront (look at the mess Coil got in doing that!) just asking us to shout a bit! Tim pondered >>>>3.New Wire LP is going to be "totally unlike anything previously released by the band". Now thats a bit tantalising! Its not going to be more '12TimesU'/Colin remixes 'Crazy About Love' type things I presume. The word from an exciting new virtually non-existant site called 'Direviews' is that the new Wire album will feature Robert as singer, Bruce on drums, and Colin & Graham playing divers ethnic instruments which they've never seen before setting foot in the studio. They will then remix the resulting cacophony with disco producers in New York and there will be lots of 'special guests' dropping into the studio (mostly ex members of King Crimson, Genesis & the Exploited) to help out in an attempt to keep up with those definers of the zeitgesit New Order! It's taking so long because they're waiting for clearance on the numerous Bob Dylan samples. That and the fact that Gilbert & Lewis have gone missing, presumably searching for footballers who vaguely resemble them. Lock up your hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 14:29:19 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Symptoms & Swim Team 2 & a new Wire album Where would be the best/easiest place for me to buy the Apathy cd by Symptoms? anybody know where to get both Lobe cds? Thanks, Robert ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 06 Sep 2001 06:12:22 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Fwd: FW: Update (including new MP3!) forwarded off a buzzcocks news letter. sounds like a really great tour (lol) p - -----Original Message----- From: MIME :buzzsite@buzzcocks.com Sent: 06 September 2001 05:00 To: fans@buzzcocks.com Subject: Update (including new MP3!) Well, it's been a while since my last update. Unfortunately, as you may have guessed, the all-new version of buzzcocks.com has been delayed. But, to keep things interesting in the meantime, I've added a new "What's New" page to the current site with all the latest. Be the first to download a new MP3 of "What Do I Get?" performed live on Brazilian TV this past June! Also there are several pictures from the South American tour. Go to buzzcocks.com and click on the What's New link. I hope to have an exclusive streaming video of "I Believe" up on the site soon as well...! News Updates ShelleyDevoto Pete Shelley and Howard Devoto have so far completed the recording of fourteen tracks for their buzzkunst project. The four songs (Stupid Kunst, System Blues, 'Til The Stars In His Eyes Are Dead, Going Off) they premiered at London's Institute of Contemporary Arts last year are included. Other stand-outs include "Can You See Me Shining?", "Self-Destruction" and "A World To Give Away." Inquiries welcome. Steve Diggle Steve suffered an unfortunate accident while on holiday in Greece recently and fractured his left wrist. The good news is that he should be back to his guitar-playing glory in time for the Three Men & Black December Tour (UK): Jake Burns, Jean-Jacques Burnel (The Stranglers), Steve Diggle (Buzzcocks), and Pauline Black (The Selecter) will perform acoustic versions of songs from their various careers and spinning stories. These dates are mainly "theatre" type venues, so NO mosh pit !!! December 2 -- Milton Keynes, The Stables December 3 -- Middlesbrough, Corner House December 4 -- Manchester, The Lowry December 5 -- Macclesfield, Bar Cuba December 6 -- Wrexham, Central December 7 -- Swindon, Arts Centre December 8 -- Nottingham, Rock City December 9 -- London, Astoria 2 December 10 -- Winchester, Theatre Royal Also... Simple Minds have a new, all-covers album out in late October that features Pete Shelley's "Homosapien" ... "What Do I Get?" is impressively featured in the current, wonderful film Ghost World ... EMI (UK) have just reissued the Another Music In A Different Kitchen, Love Bites, and Singles Going Steady albums in time for the 25th anniversary. In addition to the original running order of SGS, the reissue features the additional 'singles' "You Say You Don't Love Me," "Are Everything," "'Strange Thing," "Running Free," "Raison D'etre," "Why She's The Girl From The Chainstore," "Airwaves Dream," and "What Do You Know?" ... Recently Pete has been writing for a new Buzzcocks studio album! No details to report yet, but it wouldn't be unreasonable to expect a release in 2002. That's about it for now. There are no current tour plans (beyond Diggle's thing in December), but perhaps a North American tour next Spring; and there should be more news on the buzzkunst release before too long. Many thanks to all of you whom we met in Brazil and Argentina! Cheers, John **************************************** S E C R E T P U B L I C buzzcocks fan club & information utility www.buzzcocks.com SecretPublic@buzzcocks.com **************************************** ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:02:18 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] The Magic Roundabout Tim Robinson disagreed with Stephen Graziano >>>>Not necessarily. The best bands/artists mix and match from a whole range of styles, to the point where the lines are blurred and, as with prime time Wire, they create an (almost) original strand. Wire were refiners of a style to some extent, but you can't really lump Our Swimmer, most of Chairs Missing and 154 in with punk, or even post-punk. None of the great post punk bands would want to be lumped together. But 'respected critics' and fans do it all the time. It doesn't matter really. Tim said >>>>Our bile is perhaps saved for those bands that re-heat a particular style in a rather graceless manner and add only a new haircut to the mix. The Strokes spring to mind, although I'm aware several listees swear by them! Hmm... I agree with you about the Strokes but I'd level the same criticism at Stereolab who you love. The only hyped up new American rock band I've heard this year who seem to have a new(ish) twist on things are Lift To Experience, who seem to successfully combine Dinosaur & Cocteau Twins with almost cartoonish biblical apocalyptic visions. >>>>But surely the original is not necessarily the best. Ever heard of the Ideal Copy? (Ho Ho Ho) >>>>Just the first. The Damned are often credited with releasing the first ever proper Punk record. Hmmm. Hmmm indeed... what about the Stooges? Die Electric Eels? etc. etc. Stephen was saying >I also assume, that we have all learned that, the impossibility of >actually discovering everything on our own, Why do you consider this to be impossible? Surely today more than ever with all the MP3's up on the internet, 'critics' are less important than they've ever been. And I speak as someone who regularly writes reviews. >we turn to respected critics >(for lack of a better term) to introduce us to, and (sometimes) explain to >us, advocate for the reasons why we should consider certain artists great, Some of us have minds of our own. >whether or not they ever reach a threshold of popularity. >>>>Yep, theres no getting away from that really. Unless you are *really* dedicated to seeking out the outer limits of rock, like our man Graeme Rowland who is out there, finding new stuff all the time. But this new stuff has to come from somewhere... How could I find it on my own? >>>>Mind you, given the appalling lack of decent criticism in the UK music press I find myself relying on the 'new release' lists from my local record shops and just buying stuff based on their descriptions, rather than reviews. Actually it works pretty well! Try checking the reviews on The Brain & Motion. There are lots of websites with reviews these days. These two have the advantage of sound files so you don't have to trust the word of a 'respected critic'. I'm about to completely give up on the UK music press. The Wire this month looked too boring to waste time on. Besides I can get 2 good LP's for less than #3.10!!! As Tim said, it's quite easy to find out about new releases & happenings via websites & email. >For all of those reasons, Dylan still stands tall in the pantheon. He was >a genius of his time. We have to admire genius. It is the very >definition of greatness. >>>>No it isn't! We should always question Genius! Genius is not innate, it is applied by another. There are no genii. Sometimes beings & entities are possessed by genius. Some more often than others. Genius should be an adverb or an adjective, not a noun. "That's a good idea." Why do we have to admire anything? This week's new listening included: OOIOO - Feather Float One of Yoshimi from Boredoms many other bands doing a weird pop thing that still recalls the trance rock groove of recent Boredoms and at times even recalls the Slits & a world in which Stereolab were capable of delivering the goods! Wonderful! Go Bore Go!!! raster-noton [o]acis box 4 CD EPs in a cardboard box. Minimal digital beats & drones from Alva Noto, Byetone, Komet & Coh. Well worth checking out if you liked Pan Sonic or Ryoji Ikeda or Chain Reaction. The Byetone disc stood out on first listen. Nic Endo - Cold Metal Perfection With very Coil influenced tracks such as Black Light Rituals & One Night Domination, how could anyone resist for a fiver, new? She's a whole lot better without the rest of Atari Teenage Riot. Autechre - ae (LP5) Yes I'm a bit behind. I still haven't heard 'Confield'. One listen was all it took to verify this as a masterpiece, probably better than 'Chiastic Slide'. Definitely hear this if you haven't heard them or were unimpressed by earlier releases! Coil - Stolen & Contaminated Songs Without Dylan would Coil even exist? This has dated a bit and isn't nearly as fantastic as Gold is the Metal (the out takes collection that eclipses Horse Rotorvator), but it's still a unique event (with a LSD twin). Coil - Winter Solstice EP This black dog has no owner. Alva Noto - Transform A double dose of Carsten Nicolai for me this week! Those who like Pan Sonic & the solo work of Gilbert & Lewis might like to dose themselves too. At only a fiver this was a minimistic click beat prescription worth guzzling down! Bedhead - Lepidoptera 10" How did an unadorned guitar band sneak in? Techno Animal - Dead Man's Curse It is possible to hex a dead man with a curse in Manchester for only a pound these days. Even a shrinkwrapped unplayed curse. Matador are cursing themselves by sending out too many promos to people who don't even bother to listen to them. It must be costing them more in postage than the shop is making! More of the same old shit but with a bit of rapping on it: slow solid hard chunky doom beats. Nick Cave - As I Sat Sadly by her Side Another single for a quid. The album turned out to be pretty good (better than The Boatman's Call & The Good Son anyway). Watched the Cd-ROM & dreamt about Nick Cave & Blixa Bargeld rolling on the floor covered in blood... The Dream Syndicate - Day of Niagra The recording doesn't do it justice. Either that or it's a big emperor's old clothes thing. Tony Conrad's Four Violins suggests that this is not the case however. Maybe a late night listen is in order second time around. Tony Conrad & Faust - Outside the Dream Syndicate Second track on this (side 2 of LP presumably) is the best thing Faust recorded in the seventies, besides perhaps 'Krautrock'. This acheives the effect that the Dream Syndicate might have done if they'd had better microphones perhaps. Fred Frith - Guitar Solos A very nice almost mint copy of a Frith solo LP with a wonderfully seventies cover where he stands in a field with his guitar looking like a gumbie from Monty Python. The sounds on the disc are the kind that make me want to hear every note he's ever released, and all for only 90p more than a copy of that rather overpriced (The) Wire magazine. Lock up your hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 12 Sep 2001 18:00:38 -0500 From: "Steve Loubert" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: 154 Vinyl Variant The Warner Bros. US version of 154 has "WIRE 154" on the front, and a list of songs on the back. Is this what you saw? - ----- Original Message ----- From: Howard Spencer > > Change subject - was in selectadisc, Berwick st on Saturday and saw a > vinyl copy of 154 in the window with `154' printed on the sleeve. What > is this - some sort of bootleg reissue? > > Howard ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #279 *******************************