From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #276 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, September 10 2001 Volume 04 : Number 276 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] wire metro may 2000 ["David McKenzie" ] Re: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] go-betweens (was: Re: ... but do I have to like (Double Albums?) ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] Re: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Wireviews [Wireviews ] Re: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) [HeySean@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Hey, cool, like punk rock y'know [MarkBursa@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Hey, cool, like punk rock y'know [HeySean@aol.com] [idealcopy] this weekend i listened to: [kevin eden ] [idealcopy] final vinyl set sale [kevin eden ] ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 10:56:31 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] wire metro may 2000 is The Wire gig from last May at the Metro is (in its entirety) available for d/l as well as stream. It's in REAL MEDIA format :-( big file, almost 100mb. stream: http://www.wiremailorder.com/audio/wire.ram d/l http://www.wiremailorder.com/audio/wire2000.rm ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:23:29 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) In a message dated 09/09/01 00:00:30 GMT Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > dunno ... not that it's guaranteed to be definitive, but my copy of george > gimarc's punk diary 1970-1979 shows new rose as having come out on 10/22/76, > compared to 11/15 for we vibrate (5 days after pogo dancing, at that). > > i must say, i spent more than 2 decades wanting to hear we vibrate because > i'm a big fan of their first lp, but to say it didn't live up to my > exprectations is a gigantic understatement. > > dan > ////// be nice to know the truth , thank god "pogo dancing" wasn't put down in history but has been coveniently forgotten. must say i always thought the vibrators were a bunch of pub rock chancers. not sure i ever heard "we vibrate" ; what's it like? i guess nobody liked it much and that's why they split with micky most? p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 12:27:47 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) In a message dated 09/09/01 00:00:30 GMT Daylight Time, dpbailey@worldnet.att.net writes: > dunno ... not that it's guaranteed to be definitive, but my copy of george > gimarc's punk diary 1970-1979 shows new rose as having come out on 10/22/76, > compared to 11/15 for we vibrate (5 days after pogo dancing, at that). > > i must say, i spent more than 2 decades wanting to hear we vibrate because > i'm a big fan of their first lp, but to say it didn't live up to my > exprectations is a gigantic understatement. > > dan > ////// be nice to know the truth , thank god "pogo dancing" wasn't put down in history but has been coveniently forgotten. must say i always thought the vibrators were a bunch of pub rock chancers. not sure i ever heard "we vibrate" ; what's it like? i guess nobody liked it much and that's why they split with micky most? p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 13:54:21 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) Paul, I'm going from 24 years of memory here, but it was a sort of Lurkers-style chugalong with the chorus of "We vibrate!....vibrate together Vibrate!!" It may have been pants in the grand punkular scheme of things, but coming over Poptabulous Radio 1 AM back then it sounded fucking brilliant.... Mark << not sure i ever heard "we vibrate" ; what's it like? i guess nobody liked it much and that's why they split with micky most? p >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:04:37 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] go-betweens (was: Re: ... but do I have to like (Double Albums?) > it came out in '94 on beggars banquet & is pretty consistent with his other > solo stuff, which in turn fit in pretty well with what his old band was > doing ... a bit less radio-friendly, i guess (not that the go-b's ever got > any radio play that i know of, at least not over here). you will be surprised that GB was played here in Yugoslavia on few radio- stations regulary with every new one, and their videos was on televisions. i think that street of yr.town saw million time on television.. > > >what is list of covers.. > > here are the songs (most of the originals i'm not familiar with) -- > > nature's way (spirit) Randy California.. like that This Mortal Coil version..! :) just saw on televison video of Acid, Bitter & Sad from Lonely is An Eyesore ! > broken hearted people (guy clark) > echo beach (martha & the muffins) ohhh god !! i liked echo beach very much.. faraway in time.. liked Metro Music,just yesterday listen Associates with aldy from Martha on keyboards !! > tell me that it isn't true (bob dylan) > 2541 (grant hart) > anytime (rick nelson) > locked away (keith richards listed as co-writer) > look out here comes tomorrow (neil diamond) > alone (?) ha, ha..Colin Newnam !? this mortal coil again... > bird (?) > frisco depot (mickey newbury) > 3 a.m. (? country master bill anderson listed as co-writer) > > dan thanx mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 09 Sep 2001 20:22:29 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] OT-recent listening The New Year - Newness Ends Leatherface - Mush Philip Glass - Northstar/Music In 12 Parts/Two Pages/Contrary Motion/ Music In Fifths/Music In Similar Motion. The Fall - Grotesque The Nightingales - various singles + Peel sessions Colin Newman - Voice 12" _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 16:37:56 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) In a message dated 09/09/01 18:54:21 GMT Daylight Time, Mark Bursa writes: > I'm going from 24 years of memory here, but it was a sort of Lurkers-style > chugalong with the chorus of "We vibrate!....vibrate together Vibrate!!" > /////you know the lurkers actually appear even higher in my "all time worst punk bands" list than the vibrators. though still not quite down there with the eater/drones/suburban studs end of things. p ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 14:30:37 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] Wireviews Wireviews has been updated for September: - - new news - - WMO newsletter 3.8 Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 19:06:16 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) I know a lot of those bands are by today's standards fairly laughable, but I still find it hard to dislike any group of disaffected pub-rockers who, in 1977, hitched a ride with the last truly life-changing yoof movement and kicked against the nightmare music scene of the day. Mind you, they were pants. I saw quite a few of the "original" (ie 2nd-generation) punk bands around 79-80 - eg 999, Chelsea, UK Subs - by which time they were already sounding incredibly tired, especially considering what was going on. Chelsea were still playing Right to Work (three times! - opener, closer and 2nd encore) in late 1980 (by which time Wire had split and Ian Curtis was dead...) I have a bigger problem with the "punk's not dead" crap of 1980 or so (Exploited, Discharge, GBH etc, plus the Oi nonsense) who were as reactionary as the prog rockers. I guess that's the same reason I have a problem with early US punk such as Black Flag. (sorry for repoening old wounds here ;-)) Mark << /////you know the lurkers actually appear even higher in my "all time worst punk bands" list than the vibrators. though still not quite down there with the eater/drones/suburban studs end of things. p >> ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 20:07:26 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) Mark, it's understandable to have a problem perceiving bands like Black Flag as being truly punk. Out here in So Cal we were seldom proactive as much as being reactive. Still, once a voice had been determined, there was a segment that was quick to respond. After all, what in the hell could kids in sunny, affluent So Cal have to be upset about: not enough Jags in the family garage? Still, bands like Agent Orange, the Dickies, Dead Kennedys, Wall of VooDoo, Fear, and Black Flag responded to the kindred spirit evoked by the Pistols, the Clash, Buzzcocks, etc. The best (worst?) exemplar of this would be the Germs (Shutdown being a classic tune) culminating in Darby Crash doing his worst Sid Vicious impersonation by ODing on heroin. ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:08:56 EDT From: MarkBursa@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hey, cool, like punk rock y'know Sean, << Mark, it's understandable to have a problem perceiving bands like Black Flag as being truly punk. << It wasn't so much the attitude as the fact that the music seemd...behind the times. Bear in mind I was a lot less tolerant 20 years ago of such behaviour!! >>Out here in So Cal we were seldom proactive as much as being reactive. Still, once a voice had been determined, there was a segment that was quick to respond. After all, what in the hell could kids in sunny, affluent So Cal have to be upset about: not enough Jags in the family garage? << Not the ones in Compton, I guess, though they found their own way of expressing their feelings... >> Still, bands like Agent Orange, the Dickies, Dead Kennedys, Wall of VooDoo, Fear, and Black Flag responded to the kindred spirit evoked by the Pistols, the Clash, Buzzcocks, etc. The best (worst?) exemplar of this would be the Germs (Shutdown being a classic tune) culminating in Darby Crash doing his worst Sid Vicious impersonation by ODing on heroin. >> Yes, so passe by 1980, wasn't it ;-) Mark ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 21:31:29 EDT From: HeySean@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hey, cool, like punk rock y'know in 1980 music from Compton ( less than a mile from where I grew up ) was still more concerned with sounding like Kool and the Gang or Parliament. Rapper's Delight had just broken months before and hip hop was an East Coast thing. Still, the analogy is good: extreme dissatisfaction with the status quo and disbelief that the current music spoke for the disaffected. ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:03:29 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] this weekend i listened to: Tapper Zukie - In Dub Carlos Santana - Divine Light Miles Davis - On the Corner Miles Davis - Live at Fillmore (March 1970) Stereolab - Sound Dust Nils Petter Molvaer - Solid Ether ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 10 Sep 2001 00:04:30 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] final vinyl set sale The final (mostly) vinyl set sale. Some new items, some redueced items. ALL first come first served. E-mail for list. ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #276 *******************************