From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #275 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, September 9 2001 Volume 04 : Number 275 Today's Subjects: ----------------- RE: [idealcopy] Re: Wir ["Steve Speight" ] [idealcopy] RE: Double Albums ["wiremailorder.com" ] [idealcopy] Re: historical context ["David McKenzie" ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: historical context ["Mileta Okiljevic" ] [idealcopy] Re: ... but do I have to like (Double Albums?) ["Syarzhuk Kaz] Re: [idealcopy] Re: ... but do I have to like (Double Albums?) ["Mileta O] [idealcopy] Hosting Homosexuals [=?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Wir actually Macca always reminds me of Billy Bibbett in One Flew Over The Cuckoos Nest. Steve - -----Original Message----- From: owner-idealcopy@smoe.org [mailto:owner-idealcopy@smoe.org]On Behalf Of Andrew Lumbard Sent: 08 September 2001 08:17 To: idealcopy@smoe.org; Howard Spencer Subject: RE: [idealcopy] Re: Wir Howard enquired >> >> BTW, does anyone else see a moderate resemblance between EGL and >> Liverpool and England midfielder JAmie Carragher? Not really, but talking of Mcmanaman as you were, have you noticed his uncanny resemblance to Nicole Kidman? AndyL ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 06:21:36 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: [idealcopy] RE: Double Albums err.. Wire - Document & Eyewitness c shop@wiremailorder.com http://www.wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:56:06 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] RE: Double Albums > err.. > Wire - Document & Eyewitness i doubt about it, because of format.. does it count as double or ... mileta > > c ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 14:05:16 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: [idealcopy] virgin prunes there is one link for 1995 Colin Newman & Malka Spiegel interview on Virgin Prunes web-site. but, i think that many of you saw that.. http://www.altx.com/int2/colin.newman.html mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 07:18:36 -0500 From: "David McKenzie" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: historical context firstly - imho there is no excuse for personal insults on this list (outside of football, of course) secondly - i am of the older persuasion (mid-40s), and though i didn't fight in the punk rock wars (i kinda missed that one thinking the stooges and the dolls had said it all already) i think i have some historical perspective. that said, there is nothing sadder to my eyes and ears than a twenty-something stuck in the mire of a cultural trend which preceeded their birth i cannot stand nu-metal, but at least it is currently relevant having missed the boat before, i am willing to let the plot play out before insisting that my influences were more valid now to mr dylan i have tried to appreciate him, and on an intellectual level do, but all his albums i ever bought gathered dust and found their way out the door i did see a live performance on some awards show and was impressed with how vital and *dylan* he still seems, but i cannot remember anything about the song for me the icon makes more impression than the work david (who is hopelessely mired in nostalgia listening to john foxx, OMD bsides, and new(ish) releases from wah! and prefab sprout (brilliant!) ) ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 08:35:38 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] interesting vinyl box on eBay (i am not the seller nor do i know who the seller is - this is purely for informational purposes) I found a very interesting vinyl box on eBay: http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1461663835 it contains Drill, IBTABA, ABIACUIIS and 7" of "In every city". Was the later ever released on a CD? Syarzhuk


Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 08:31:18 -0400 From: Michael Subject: [idealcopy] Devolution 2 Hello- I believe this is my first post to the list, but I've lurked for some time. I picked up on Wire with the release of The Ideal Copy. Since this list has a quite diverse listening repertoire I thought it might be appropriate to pose this query. Is anyone familiar with a CD called Devolution 2? I have Devolution 1, which has so called "12 inch" versions of various 80s acts (Siouxsie/Teardrop Explodes/Pete Shelly etc.). It is a UK release which I have been hunting for quite a while. If anyone could tell me how to get it I would be very grateful. michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 15:14:50 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: historical context > firstly - imho there is no excuse for personal insults on this list (outside > of football, of course) David, will the Rangers beat Hearts ...!? my friends and myself enjoying to bet, and last year Rangers few time sold us, ha, ha... is there any chance for Scotland to get in play-off after that game in Belgium? i am always on Scots side when football in in question !!!! do you have any information about LowLife ( ex Cocteau Will Heggie band) activities..!? > now to mr dylan > i have tried to appreciate him, and on an intellectual level do, but all his > albums i ever bought gathered dust and found their way out the door > i did see a live performance on some awards show and was impressed with how > vital and *dylan* he still seems, but i cannot remember anything about the > song > for me the icon makes more impression than the work dylan wasn't my cup of tea never, but it seems that some people like him and i appreciate it, like anything else. if someone can related to his work, it's OK to me.. last time i saw Dylan's record it was in that Belle & Sebastian video-clip in hands of guy from Teenage Fan Club, so i think that i will not have chance to check his work.. > > david > (who is hopelessely mired in nostalgia listening to john foxx, OMD bsides, > and new(ish) releases from wah! and prefab sprout (brilliant!) ) i thought that Prefabs was not active..!? any Blue Nile or related news to that band, i mean you are from Scotland !? ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 09:16:46 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Redux Under the links tab there's a link to Wire's Metro gig of last year. It's in REAL MEDIA format, so you'll need appropriate player. The direct URL is www.wiremailorder.com/wire.ram charles shop@wiremailorder.com http://www.wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 08 Sep 2001 12:01:49 -0400 From: "Syarzhuk Kazachenka" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: ... but do I have to like (Double Albums?) Mark Bursa wrote: >>Grant Hart of course...!! >>in separate careers i like more Bob Mould , must admit<< >Both patchy really. A definite case of 1+1=3 You must never heard "The last day of Pompeii" by GH's Nova Mob Syarzhuk


Be healthy, stay wealthy... Visit Belarusan Music Source - http://www.belmusic.net _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:43:49 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: ... but do I have to like (Double Albums?) > Mark Bursa wrote: > >>Grant Hart of course...!! > >>in separate careers i like more Bob Mould , must admit<< > > >Both patchy really. A definite case of 1+1=3 anyone had idea what is with Greg Norton !? heroin was drug of choice for Grant Hart. beer & peanut butter for Bob Mould. what about Greg Norton !?? sort of b-complex and biotin for growing and caring moustache ?! i like that single from Grant Hart, forgot name ( numbers are in questions) saw him in gig in solo career, he played his HD contributions. btw, when he was here he said that want in The Last Day Of Pompeii to re-activate conceptual album feeling ( someone said he was thinking about Led Zeppelin and Pink Floyd, well Pompeii ws in questions ). who will knows !? there was some bands remind me of Husker Du. english Bivouac and Leatherskin, irish Joyrider in some way . speaking about punk, saw video of band The HIVE from album Veni, Vidi, Vicious... like it, like punk singles from the beginning... still, don' t know nothing about them . mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:51:30 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Hosting Homosexuals Dave pondered >>>harold budd in the joseph holbrook context (or was that gavin bryars - those obscure things all run together for me like so many watercolours) It was Bryars not Budd. With Tony Oxley & Derek Bailey (or was it Count Basie & Keith Moon?) Dan listened to >>>homosexuals -- homosexuals' album I've always been curious about this band since I saw the description in the Recommmended records catalog that compared them to Wire. What is the album like? Is the comparison warranted? I believe that at least one of them went on to form Die Trip Computer Die who from the few tracks I've heard I'd say sound more like the Residents than Wire. >>>(being unemployed definitely has its advantages) The pay might be rubbish, but the hours are fabulous! Time is more valuable than money. If you have no time, how can you kill time? ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ And now for a tidbit on the ~Swim Team 2 sampler... Host is the name ~Swim are using for collaborations between different artists on the label. The track on the compilation features new artist Dictaphone in cahoots with Malka Spigel. In a seemingly unlooked for coincidence V/Vm are threatening a 12" soon by another Host but this one calls itself H>OST. Reminds me of the time there were three Lobes, and I shared a house with members of one of them (not Ian Hartley the Swim Lobe who is the longest running Lobe, the others having fallen by the wayside). Posteverything might have copies of ST2 up for grabs as early as next week, so keep checking the site people. It won't hit the shops until November 5th. Lock up your hats! Graeme np Coil - Winter Solstice EP (on an endless loop) ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:29:23 +0100 From: "Garry Phillipson" Subject: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) A friend recently played me a CD of King Crimson at the Marquee in 1969, which reminded me how great they could be live. From there I started thinking about KC's bassist/vocalists, and how none of them was quite right. All sounded vaguely upper-class and quintessentially English, all could hit and hold notes (at least in the studio), but either they couldn't play bass properly (Boz), or sounded as if they were singing with gumshields in (John Wetton), or were Greg Lake (Greg Lake)... So I pondered who would have been completely right for the job. A moment of illumination: Graeme Lewis. All the salient features, plus the ability to write lyrics. He was just born a few years too late. But maybe, in a parallel universe somewhere, it all fit into place and this perfect version of KC is playing even now. On the other hand, maybe, in that parallel universe, he just quit the band and is starting to rehearse with Emerson Lewis and Palmer... ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 13:35:15 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: ... but do I have to like (Double Albums?) >i like that single from Grant Hart, forgot name ( numbers are in questions) 2541? great song, but even better as covered by robert forster of the go-betweens. ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 21:11:54 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: ... but do I have to like (Double Albums?) > >i like that single from Grant Hart, forgot name ( numbers are in questions) > > 2541? great song, but even better as covered by robert forster of the > go-betweens. yeah !! that is one. i didn' t know that forster covered that song . after that grant hart must cover " i don't want to be Grant McLachlan ".. did you hear come-back album of Go-Betweens, i haven' t sadly.. just saw video, and i cannot count that as intro..saw it once. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:00:32 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) In a message dated 08/09/01 18:29:56 GMT Daylight Time, garry.p@btinternet.com writes: > Graeme Lewis. All the salient > features, plus the ability to write lyrics. He was just born a few years > too > late. But maybe, in a parallel universe somewhere, it all fit into place > and > this perfect version of KC is playing even now. On the other hand, maybe, > in > that parallel universe, he just quit the band and is starting to rehearse > with > Emerson Lewis and Palmer... > //////god , graham as prog god. and an alternative to greg "i still say punk was crap" lake. er , interesting thought. you know i just can't get prog despite all attempts to persuade me. on another OT , historical , pedantic , note i believe the first punk single was not "new rose" but the pretty tragic "we vibrate" by the vibrators. so micky most , not mclaren , was the real father of punk. but thankfully the crapness of the vibrators means the true story gets airbrushed out of history and everyone sticks with the damned version. probably just as well. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:08:46 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] interesting vinyl box on eBay In a message dated 08/09/01 13:36:23 GMT Daylight Time, bamboo7431@hotmail.com writes: > http://cgi.ebay.com/aw-cgi/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1461663835 > ///hmmm , never seen that before. WMO used to sell the 7" single on its own so it isn't that rare ; i guess that's what people would buy the box for. interesting to see what it goes for. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 17:56:59 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] King Crimson (yet not OT) >on another OT , historical , pedantic , note i believe the first punk single >was not "new rose" but the pretty tragic "we vibrate" by the vibrators. so >micky most , not mclaren , was the real father of punk. > >but thankfully the crapness of the vibrators means the true story gets >airbrushed out of history and everyone sticks with the damned version. >probably just as well. p dunno ... not that it's guaranteed to be definitive, but my copy of george gimarc's punk diary 1970-1979 shows new rose as having come out on 10/22/76, compared to 11/15 for we vibrate (5 days after pogo dancing, at that). i must say, i spent more than 2 decades wanting to hear we vibrate because i'm a big fan of their first lp, but to say it didn't live up to my exprectations is a gigantic understatement. dan ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:06:21 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Hosting Homosexuals >Dan listened to >>>>homosexuals -- homosexuals' album > >I've always been curious about this band since I saw >the description in the Recommmended records catalog >that compared them to Wire. What is the album like? Is >the comparison warranted? i need to give it another listen or 3 ... at first blush, i detect more resemblance to swell maps, really. not that there's anything wrong with that. > >I believe that at least one of them went on to form >Die Trip Computer Die who from the few tracks I've >heard I'd say sound more like the Residents than Wire. can't say i know them at all. dan > >>>>(being unemployed definitely has its advantages) > >The pay might be rubbish, but the hours are fabulous! >Time is more valuable than money. >If you have no time, how can you kill time? > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > >And now for a tidbit on the ~Swim Team 2 sampler... > >Host is the name ~Swim are using for collaborations >between different artists on the label. The track on >the compilation features new artist Dictaphone in >cahoots with Malka Spigel. > >In a seemingly unlooked for coincidence V/Vm are >threatening a 12" soon by another Host but this one >calls itself H>OST. Reminds me of the time there were >three Lobes, and I shared a house with members of one >of them (not Ian Hartley the Swim Lobe who is the >longest running Lobe, the others having fallen by the >wayside). > >Posteverything might have copies of ST2 up for grabs >as early as next week, so keep checking the site >people. It won't hit the shops until November 5th. > >Lock up your hats! >Graeme > >np Coil - Winter Solstice EP (on an endless loop) > >===== >Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine >http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine > >"What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert >Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk >or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 18:59:37 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] go-betweens (was: Re: ... but do I have to like (Double Albums?) >> >i like that single from Grant Hart, forgot name ( numbers are in >questions) >> >> 2541? great song, but even better as covered by robert forster of the >> go-betweens. > >yeah !! >that is one. >i didn' t know that forster covered that song .\ it's on his covers album, i had a new york girlfriend. easily the best such lp i've ever encountered. >after that grant hart must cover " i don't want to be Grant McLachlan ".. >did you hear come-back album of Go-Betweens, i haven' t sadly.. >just saw video, and i cannot count that as intro..saw it once. excellent album -- probably my favorite of theirs, even. i ranked it 3rd in my top-10-of-2000 for my former newspaper, right after the mekons' journey to the end of night & the fall's unutterable (maybe that's why they fired me a couple of months later ... or maybe it was my inclusion of the mdfmk & electric hellfire club cd's). to wit: >>3. Go-Betweens, Friends of Rachel Worth, Jet Set -- Nice comeback effort for a couple of guys (the band's mainstays, Grant McLennan and Robert Forster -- and no, I've never quite managed to work out which one's voice is which) who parted company around 1989, then recently got together with two-thirds of Sleater-Kinney as their rhythm section and made a record. Warm and dark, just like the best Go-Betweens from their '80s glory days. "Surfing Magazines" is as pure-poppishly irresistible as anything they've ever done. dan > >mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 9 Sep 2001 05:07:29 +0200 From: "Mileta Okiljevic" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] go-betweens (was: Re: ... but do I have to like (Double Albums?) > >> 2541? great song, but even better as covered by robert forster of the > >> go-betweens. > > > >yeah !! > >that is one. > >i didn' t know that forster covered that song .\ > > it's on his covers album, i had a new york girlfriend. easily the best such > lp i've ever encountered. > i must been sleeping for years, can you tell me more.. like in way, you used to describe last one of go-betweens.. what is list of covers.. somehow i am not so much fond of live albums, but like cover albums thanx in advance.. mileta ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 8 Sep 2001 22:07:25 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] go-betweens (was: Re: ... but do I have to like (Double Albums?) >> >> 2541? great song, but even better as covered by robert forster of the >> >> go-betweens. >> > >> >yeah !! >> >that is one. >> >i didn' t know that forster covered that song .\ >> >> it's on his covers album, i had a new york girlfriend. easily the best >such >> lp i've ever encountered. >> >i must been sleeping for years, can you tell me more.. >like in way, you used to describe last one of go-betweens.. it came out in '94 on beggars banquet & is pretty consistent with his other solo stuff, which in turn fit in pretty well with what his old band was doing ... a bit less radio-friendly, i guess (not that the go-b's ever got any radio play that i know of, at least not over here). >what is list of covers.. here are the songs (most of the originals i'm not familiar with) -- nature's way (spirit) broken hearted people (guy clark) echo beach (martha & the muffins) tell me that it isn't true (bob dylan) 2541 (grant hart) anytime (rick nelson) locked away (keith richards listed as co-writer) look out here comes tomorrow (neil diamond) alone (?) bird (?) frisco depot (mickey newbury) 3 a.m. (? country master bill anderson listed as co-writer) dan >somehow i am not so much fond of live albums, but like cover albums >thanx in advance.. > >mileta ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #275 *******************************