From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #269 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Monday, September 3 2001 Volume 04 : Number 269 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: I like the Beatles but do I have to like Dylan? ["ian jac] Re: [idealcopy] Re: I like the Beatles but do I have to like Dylan? [John] [idealcopy] OT: Beach Boys [voyteck@webtv.net] [idealcopy] He knows the germ ship [Wireviews ] [idealcopy] recently i have mostly been listening to... ["ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] Re: I like the Beatles but do I have to like Dylan? just thought i'd add my view to this one... i used to hate Dylan with a passion, as was the case with Beefheart, to a lesser extent. now i really really enjoy (love?) their stuff as much as Wire's output. with Dylan, up to and including Blonde On Blonde, its all good IMO. havent heard much after that, apart from Blood On The Tracks, which is a great lp. i think i simply didnt have 'the right ears', or maybe even enough 'life experience' for Dylan, or the Captain, until i was ready for them. thats it really. as usual, its an 'each to their own' job... ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 05:02:30 -0700 (PDT) From: John Roberts Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: I like the Beatles but do I have to like Dylan? My partner is a big, big Dylan fan (tho not to the extent of bootlegs etc). I'm more inclined to agree with whoever said he sounded like a 6 min rant on one chord. I just don't see the attraction but then she seems to have the same pov on the Fall. It has to be said that if plugging your guitar into an electric amp is the height of your career, well... Beefheart is something else entirely imo. But I do know people who imo mistakenly lump him in with a load of hippy rock dross and fail to see why I like him. So who's up for the Prefects gigs then? Cheers John Did you know they have free phones in Cuba? Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 07:54:40 -0500 (CDT) From: voyteck@webtv.net Subject: [idealcopy] OT: Beach Boys Upon planing today's itinerary for interesting events within 90 minutes of Chicago, I happened to check http://www.walworthcountyfair.com to find The Beach Boys are playing tonight at 7:30 (~ 10 minutes N-NW of Lake Geneva / Route 12; see link map). Brian Wilson lives in the Fox Valley (St Charles?), so he is 11/2 - 2 hours from the fairgrounds. Nice weather predicted! I saw Cheap Trick there many years ago (also local, from Rockford, Illinois), and they played a wonderful show. As discussed on list about debut / 1st albums, Cheap Trick's 1st is best in my opinion, as they went mainstream pop thereafter. Leaving to 'Maxwell Street' now (Canal & Roosevelt / 2 blocks South of Chicago Post Office) for the market and free live music. Anyone familiar with the 'Blues Brothers' movie has an idea of what this is about (portable generators whirling in background, scents of food in the air, etc.). Finally, these are the last hours of Burningman 2001. See streaming live video from Black Rock Nevada of today's / tonight's events. 'The Burn' should take place at dark, mountain standard time (you figure it out). Go to: http://www.burningman.com This might just be the place where Madonna gets some of her ideas and hires stage performers for her shows (LOL!!). Enjoy your Labor Day Holiday & Rays of Light everybody! Dave ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 07:30:13 -0700 (PDT) From: Wireviews Subject: [idealcopy] He knows the germ ship >> Wire - Germ Ship / He Knows >>(thanks Uri & Paul) > where exactly are these songs from????? 'He knows' was first played in the 'reformation' gigs. It sounded shambolic at RFH, but was a really good track by the time Wire played at The Garage. 'Germ ship' was something of a fun track, if a regression back to 'Pink Flag' style. Mind you, the vocal delivery and arrangement reminded me of Shampoo. Then again, I still think 'Janet' sounds like Robert Palmer, so I'll shut up now. Craig. ===== - ------- Craig Grannell / Wireviews --- http://welcome.to/wireviews News, reviews and dugga. VMU: http://listen.to/veer SVA: http://welcome.to/snub - -------------- wireviews@yahoo.com --- Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 16:53:25 +0100 From: "ian jackson" Subject: [idealcopy] recently i have mostly been listening to... new purchases... Richard Hell & The Voidoids - Blank Generation LP (180gm vinyl, cool!) The Fall - The Unutterable (got it cheap, better than the last one IMO) The Stanley Brothers - Too Late To Cry (40's/50's Bluegrass) New Order - Crystal (CDS1, with Behind Closed Doors & Remix) plus... Echo & the Bunnymen - A Promise/Broke My Neck 12" The Strokes - live, London Feb.01 (holding back on getting the LP, i've heard the're going to try and pull ANOTHER single off it!!! i'll wait till the libarary gets it in i think...) Gorillaz - S/T LP (my kids copy, i have to say, but wanted to check it out anyway!!) Family - Music In A Doll's House Bonny Billy - More Revery Super Furry Animals - live, John Peel show, a month or so ago. ian.s.j. _________________________________________________________________ Get your FREE download of MSN Explorer at http://explorer.msn.com/intl.asp ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 17:24:35 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Pierre Henry (a Beekeeping favourite) Jan mentioned >>>>Pierre Henry-Des Annees 50, early electronics. I think every Gilbert and/or Lewis fan should listen to this. Musique Concrete. It sounds funny to me. I first heard about Pierre Henry from Bruce Gilbert actually! He used a lot of musique concrete / early electroacoustic music in his Beekeeper sets, especially early on. Haven't heard that particular release, but anyone curious about Pierre Henry should probably pick up the reissue of 'Messe Pour Le Temps Present' which features four pieces (the most extreme one edited to half original length) that sum up his output fairly well. 'La Ville' (1984) using field recordings from of a city as source material is also highly listenable and quite astonishing really. Any other Pierre Henry fans on IC? Would you care to mention favourite releases & briefly describe them? Are they 'old toss' or 'genuine phenomena'? Craig D was wrong >>>>Isn't Haswell the head of the Blast First label? No, Paul Smith is. He also manages Wire. I think Haswell might have something to do with the OR label but I'm not sure about that. Paul CD heard something interesting on the radio >>>>it was played after a boredoms remix that i think may have been done by fennesz There have been at least 3 'Rebore' Boredoms remix discs out on WEA Japan done by Ken Ishii, DJ Krush & UNKLE. Could this be the fourth one? If so I'll have to find a copy. It isn't easy getting hold of most Boredoms releases in the UK, what with them being signed to the biggest entertainment corporation on the planet. BTW the fianl part of that Keith Levene interview is now online at http://www.furious.com/perfect/keithlevene4.html Rick asked >>>>BTW - who wouldn't walk across the street to see Dylan play for free! Not if Wire were playing on my side of the street. If it was Dylan the sleepy rabbit from Magic Roundabout it would be a difficult choice though. Lock up your hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 13:59:10 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Pierre Henry (a Beekeeping favourite) In a message dated 9/2/01 12:25:31 PM, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: >Any other Pierre Henry fans on IC? > > >Would you care to mention favourite releases & briefly >describe them? i remember hearing his stuff in a 20th century music class in college. i enjoyed that class very much. it was the first place i heard webern and berg, henze, ives, stockhausen, and even mahler. i heard strauss, schoenberg, stravinsky, ravel, and dubussey music i hadn't previously been exposed to and even traded a painting i made based on enoch arden by strauss for an album by my professor, edvard lieber. his album was based on paintings by jackson pollack. all short piano pieces akin to schoenberg or webern. anyway, to get back on track, i never got around to buying anything by henry. i will keep an eye out for something. that course was 15 years ago :o/ >Paul CD heard something interesting on the radio > >>>>>it was played after a boredoms remix that i think >may have been done by fennesz > > >There have been at least 3 'Rebore' Boredoms remix >discs out on WEA Japan done by Ken Ishii, DJ Krush & >UNKLE. Could this be the fourth one? it was from the album called seven (remixes) i believe. cheers, paul c.d. (aka another the paul) ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 23:48:40 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] He Knows Neubauten singles on a Germ Ship >Einsturzende Neubauten - early singles (thanks Mark) >are they on lp's or cds anywhere? >strategies against architecture maybe? Some tracks are on strategies against architecture (I've marked them with an asterisk). The rest were never rereleased For the record... First 7" is Fur Den Untergang Stahlversion* Second double 7" 'Schwartz' is Kalte Sterne* Aufrecht Gehen Ehrlicher Stein Pygmaen Schwartz* It's a real shame they left some tracks off Strategies... frankly I never expected to hear these tracks as the singles are very rare now! Mark Bursa has original copies which have transferred well to CD-R. If you ask him nicely... > Wire - Germ Ship / He Knows (thanks Uri & Paul) > >where exactly are these songs from????? Live in Edinburgh December 2000. He Knows has been played at every Wire gig since the RFH and is calm and hypnotic. Germ Ship has only been played once & is an angry fast one with Colin and Graham bellowing at the same time. I got to hear them play it twice since I was at the soundcheck! As for Boredoms / Fennesz remix I've had a look around but can find no evidence of this... it struck me that Paul might've misheard 'Ken Ishii' as 'Fennesz' on the radio? But I did discover via www.forcedexposure.com that there is also a Rebore 0 which is Eye remixing 'Vision Creation Newsun'. Fat chance of finding a copy of that in the UK! Lock up your hats! Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 02:01:53 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: boredomsfenneszspiritualized In a message dated 9/2/01 6:50:14 PM, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: >As for Boredoms / Fennesz remix I've had a look around >but can find no evidence of this... it struck me that >Paul might've misheard 'Ken Ishii' as 'Fennesz' on the >radio? But I did discover via www.forcedexposure.com >that there is also a Rebore 0 which is Eye remixing >'Vision Creation Newsun'. Fat chance of finding a copy >of that in the UK! here's what i think happened...while driving my car and listening to the new afternoon show on wnyu, i heard several songs, one of which was a boredoms remix from the "seven" album, another which was a new spiritualized track, and another which was somebody remixed by fennesz. now i wish i could remember who the somebody was. they play a lot of good stuff on wnyu. i will investigate. - -paul c.d. p.s. thanks graeme, for the en info ------------------------------ Date: Mon, 3 Sep 2001 00:06:21 -0700 (PDT) From: kevin eden Subject: [idealcopy] this weekend i have been mostly listening to: Paul Schutze - The Surgery of Touch Paul Schutze - Apart Miles Davis - Live at The Fillmore Billie Holliday - 20 Great Songs and watching England thrash Germany! ===== kevin eden wmo limited, po box 112, stockport, cheshire, sk3 9fd, uk e-mail: wmouk@yahoo.com web: www.wiremailorder.com "dreams that money can buy" Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! 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