From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #268 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Sunday, September 2 2001 Volume 04 : Number 268 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] (OT) Another One Bites the Dust ["Ian B" ] Re: [idealcopy] I like the Beatles but do I have to like Dylan? [Tim Subject: [idealcopy] (OT) Another One Bites the Dust A sad day for the record buying public of Leeds today. Apologies as this will mean little to anyone who hasn't spent any time here, but I walked into my favourite second hand record shop earlier today (Gerroll's in the Merrion Market - mightn't officially be called Gerroll's anymore, I don't know, but it always was, if you see what I mean) and noticed diminished stock and notes up declaring that everything was half the marked price. Turns out he's shutting up shop for the final time today - after 25 years, fed up with losing money. This is the place where I picked up my Dome 2 with the rogue 154 EP in it. Still, ne' mind eh? IB ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 18:50:10 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] ~~The~Further~They~Swim~~ Craig had no idea... >7. IMMERSION/ FLYING SAUCER ATTACK - Even Further >No idea what this is. Colin & Malka remixed FSA quite some time ago. It was discussed in Colin's interview on my website circa 'Bastard'. Judging by the title of the track it's a fair guess that this is a remix of material from the FSA album 'Further' (on Domino records), as suggested by Robert. There are various other remixes by Immersion which never saw the light of day and Colin has mentioned that a compilation of them is a future possibility. The word from Colin is that ST2 is 'a cracker' But he would say that, wouldn't he? Paul said /////there's a hell of a lot of new bands on there for sure. Well, four it seems. So does anyone know anything more about Host, Toucaen, Beat Kitten or Dictaphone? Could they even be better than the Beatles? I hope they all turn out to be genuine phenomena! New toss is needed in these parts! ////i guess there's the answer to the "what's colin been doing in the last few months?" question. I think Colin has also been working on Wire mixes... /////anyone else bought the new symptoms album yet? Colin sent one ages ago. I only just got round to writing a review as the PR said it was out on Sept 17 (although this could be the date it hits the shops as it's clearly available online). In fact I've written two reviews! I had to do a 120 word maximum one for Flux magazine. ////got it yesterday and gave it one play through ; very spacy and beatless. There is a lot of rhythm in it though. And a lot of traffic noise! ////similar progression as "oscillating" to "low impact" maybe? didn't like the first symptoms cd much at first but it grew on me a lot..... I liked it from the first play. I was surprised people found it so hard going as I found it quite a light & poppy listen. Apathy is certainly darker & more atmospheric. The guitar sources seem more obvious, perhaps due to lack of beats. Interestingly, Klaus Amitzboll often juxtaposes a very distorted simple looping riff with a more complex clean line, very much like another band I could mention and even stay on topic in doing so! I also thought it was similar to Immersion in a way, but where there's a warmth to Low Impact, Apathy is pretty forlornand grey. I didn't agree with Kevin's 'Eno' angle on it at all as I think it's quite an absorbing listen that refuses to be relegated to background music. It's also way better than anything by Eno that I've heard (as is Low Impact). It'd make a great soundtrack to a decade long stop motion film of a city as the buildings rise & fall. ////question ; what's the piquet album like? Mixes beats & electroacoustic influences and is pretty good. If you liked the Kendall Turner Overdrive album, Oscillating, Symptoms, Ab Ovo, Insiding, Music for Fruit, Orr or Ocsid then it's probably well worth hearing. As Robert said, all the Parallel Series releases are worth hearing, althought most would probably find Andrei Samsonov's 'Void In' to be 'difficult listening'. Piquet & Symptoms: genuine phenomena the pair of 'em! Another the Paul asked >>>>so what can you tell me about russell haswell? He is also a genuine phenomenon but sometimes he DJ's with 'old toss'. He ran Disobey with Paul Smith & Bruce Gilbert & sometimes helps Bruce in the studio. He likes a bit of noise. He did a really good DJ set prior to Wire's Garage Sunday gig, and a pretty awful one supporting Autechre in Manchester. He was mostly responsible for the Merzbow 'Scumtron' remixes. I think he runs or co-runs the OR label. He was immortalised recently in the Speedranch^Venetian Snares track 'We Hate Russell'. Glides with no actual motion? Graeme ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 19:01:37 +0100 (BST) From: =?iso-8859-1?q?Graeme=20Rowland?= Subject: [idealcopy] Last Night I Mostly Listened To Oren Ambarchi - Suspension Pendro - Peninsula Evan Parker's Electroacoustic Ensemble - Drawn Inward KK Null & James Plotkin - Aurora Supersilent 5 Wire - Germ Ship / He Knows (thanks Uri & Paul) John Zorn - Filmworks I Acid Mothers Mothers Temple & the Melting Paraiso UFO - - first album Einsturzende Neubauten - early singles (thanks Mark) Borsig - Hiroshima (thanks Mark) Die Krupps - Stahlwerksinfonie (thanks Mark) Wir - Vien Turing Machine (thanks Giluz) Sonic Youth - SYR3 Seam - The Problem With Me The Jesus Lizard - Down No time for sleep until the sun comes up! ===== Cracked Machine irregular cyberzine http://www.webinfo.co.uk/crackedmachine "What one thinks of as extremes seldom are" :: BC Gilbert Get your free @yahoo.co.uk address at http://mail.yahoo.co.uk or your free @yahoo.ie address at http://mail.yahoo.ie ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 14:14:37 EDT From: Rain19c@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] Re: I like the Beatles but do I have to like Dylan? yes, i am so far not a fan of dylan. lyrics are fine, but give me music, melody and songs with more than one chord please! my friend played some dylan song to me the other day and it was just him ranting on for 6 minutes with a couple of acoustic guitar chords in the background. im sure all dylan is not like this, but i have yet to be intrigued to buy any of his records based on what i've heard. ~michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 14:46:01 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: I like the Beatles but do I have to like Dylan? try the 2 i regard as his peak (i haven't bought anything he's done since '77 & would say he lost it 11 years before that, with *maybe* an album's worth of good songs since then) -- bringing it all back home & higway 61 revisited. heavy with "melody and songs with more than one chord," rather than "just him ranting on for 6 minutes with a couple of acoustic guitar chords in the background" (though i suppose that's a halfway decent description of the earlier a hard rain's a-gonna fall, itself an exceptional effort). the album that came after those 2, blonde on blonde, would've been a brilliant single album but like any double i can think of (any exceptions occur to anyone? possibly metal box, which was released in that format over here ... certainly not london bloody calling) is packed with filler. when he was at the top of his game, he was the one who clued in the beatles to just how elastic rock/pop's boundaries could be. dan >yes, i am so far not a fan of dylan. lyrics are fine, but give me music, >melody and songs with more than one chord please! my friend played some dylan >song to me the other day and it was just him ranting on for 6 minutes with a >couple of acoustic guitar chords in the background. im sure all dylan is not >like this, but i have yet to be intrigued to buy any of his records based on >what i've heard. > >~michael ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 17:56:12 -0500 From: "dan bailey" Subject: [idealcopy] prefects reunion those of you across the pond who care may well already know about this (for that matter, i may have missed it on this list), but this showed up a day or so ago in a fall list i'm on -- >>And the best news of the year ... The Prefects are reforming for two gigs in September, one in Wolverhampton, the other in Birmingham. To quote Rich Kidd .... "The Prefects are reforming for a couple of gigs - one in Wolverhampton on 17th September and one in Birmingham on the 19th September. It's kind of a Robert Lloyd/Prefects/Nightingales thing in that we'll probably be playing a shortish selection of stuff from Robert's career, but almost the original line-up will be together: Robert Lloyd Paul Apperley Eamonn Duffy Alan Apperley The occasion for the first gig (Monday 17th) can be found at www.wlv.ac.uk/no-future The occasion for the second is a gig by Tank Byrchmore's band 'Gorgeous' which is at the Railway in Birmingham on Wednesday - Prefects will support." http://www.wlv.ac.uk/no-future/events/prefects.htm << dan ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 02 Sep 2001 02:22:52 +0100 From: Tim Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I like the Beatles but do I have to like Dylan? Paul CD wrote: >. i must get me some fennesz, Any fan of Bruce Gilberts solo work, or My Bloody Valentines more ambient moments must buy his Endless Summer LP which is probably going to be my record of the year. > and i heard the new spiritualized on >the radio today...sounds really good. The guy who designs my website got me a promo of the new LP and it is beautiful. And unusually for them it is contains at least four really good Pop songs! > it was played after a boredoms remix >that i think may have been done by fennesz... I love the Boredoms! What radio station were you listening to? >hm. now, as for brian wilson, i >know he has legions of fans so can someone please explain that one to me. i >think i may have liked the beach boys as an instrumental band. i just can't >take the vocals...on a phsyiological level i mean. i really can't take it, i >cringe, i get real pains. someone help me :o) Maybe I can't help you here/hear. To my ears Brian, Dennis and Carl Wilson vocals sound like heavenly angels. Maybe its the whiny vocals of Mike Love and Al Jardine who sang lead on many of their early surfin/cars & girls hits that you don't like? You shouldn't judge the Beach Boys until you've heard their modern classic Pet Sounds which pisses all over Sergeant Pepper from a great height. If you don't like the vocals it includes two great instrumental tracks! If you don't like that record, then you probably don't like the Beach Boys so forget em! Its not compulsory to like them any more than Dylan. However, if you do like that then progress on their brilliant late 60s/early 70s output : Surfs Up (including the heartbreaking 'Till I Die' which Fennesz samples on Endless Summer), Smiley Smile, Wild Honey, Sunflower, Holland and of course the Smile bootleg. _________________________ The Kids Are Alright http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 23:54:29 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Last Night I Mostly Listened To In a message dated 9/1/01 1:02:53 PM Central Daylight Time, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: > Wire - Germ Ship / He Knows (thanks Uri & Paul) > where exactly are these songs from????? ------------------------------ Date: Sun, 2 Sep 2001 00:21:38 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Last Night I Mostly Listened To In a message dated 9/1/01 2:02:53 PM, crackedmachine@yahoo.co.uk writes: >Einsturzende Neubauten - early singles (thanks Mark) hi graeme, are they on lp's or cds anywhere? strategies against architecture maybe? maybe mark should answer this one, heh. i love the early stuff...equal but different from the new (or neu)... off to listen to au pairs, paul c.d. (aka another the paul) today's listening included: john cage-works for piano, toy piano, and prepared piano david bowie-low booker t and the mg's-singles a bob dylan tape...a comp not a bootleg, heh ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #268 *******************************