From: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org (idealcopy-digest) To: idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Subject: idealcopy-digest V4 #267 Reply-To: idealcopy@smoe.org Sender: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Errors-To: owner-idealcopy-digest@smoe.org Precedence: bulk idealcopy-digest Saturday, September 1 2001 Volume 04 : Number 267 Today's Subjects: ----------------- [idealcopy] Re: vocal interplay [Howard Spencer ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: vocal interplay [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] Re: vocal interplay [Howard Spencer ] Re: [idealcopy] Re: vocal interplay [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] Re: [idealcopy] PostEverything ["they.wait" ] [idealcopy] leeds/reading 2001 [PaulRabjohn@aol.com] [idealcopy] Russell Haswell ["JanJNoorda" ] Re: [idealcopy] Russell Haswell [Creaig Dunton ] [idealcopy] I like the Beatles but do I have to like Dylan? [Tim ] [idealcopy] OT - Welcome to the 'New Order'! [Felton Frog-Mon Subject: [idealcopy] Re: vocal interplay >How High Is Is? from the Hox album sounds like a vocal duet between Lewis >and Gilbert, but it isn't, unless Gilbert's uncredited. Don't think so - sounds like vocodering to me. GL probably has a `Bruce duet' plugin. I think one of the strengths of the first letter is the vocal interplay, usually between Colin and Graham. Someone asked about Wir live shows. I was at the Kilburn Mean fiddler gig (not the one on the video) and it was awesome, IMHO, and VERY LOUD. Formed the subject of my very first posting to the list - at the time no one else confessed to being there. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 05:37:03 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: vocal interplay > I think one of the strengths of the first letter is the vocal interplay, > usually between Colin and Graham. > /////agree that's one of the great things about that album. even though i guess relationships were a little strained by then , somehow it sounds more of a collaborative effort than what went before. "so and slow" should've been a real hit. > Someone asked about Wir live shows. I was at the Kilburn Mean fiddler > gig (not the one on the video) and it was awesome, IMHO, and VERY LOUD. > Formed the subject of my very first posting to the list - at the time no > one else confessed to being there. > //////heard a tape and it sounds like a great gig. somehow i never even found out about that one (or the blur support slot on the video) so i never saw a "first letter" live set. curses , i guess there's nil chance of those tracks getting played again. p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 10:42:02 +0100 From: Howard Spencer Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: vocal interplay PaulRabjohn@aol.com wrote: > > > I think one of the strengths of the first letter is the vocal interplay, > > usually between Colin and Graham. > > > /////agree that's one of the great things about that album. even though i guess relationships were a little strained by then , somehow it sounds more of a collaborative effort than what went before. "so and slow" should've been a real hit. Agree re so and slow. I think mute put a fair effort in marketing wise but no one bought it, did they? Not sure whether relationships were getting strained - we know there was not much love lost during the making of the ideal copy, but my guess is the 'break up' post first-letter had more to do with the Wir three simply finding other things to do - as well as natural disappointment that the thing didn't sell - I think I am right that this sold less than any of their other albums? > > Someone asked about Wir live shows. I was at the Kilburn Mean fiddler > > gig (not the one on the video) and it was awesome, IMHO, and VERY LOUD. > > Formed the subject of my very first posting to the list - at the time no > > one else confessed to being there. > > > //////heard a tape and it sounds like a great gig. somehow i never even found out about that one (or the blur support slot on the video) so i never saw a "first letter" live set. curses , i guess there's nil chance of those tracks getting played again. p Did someone say `tape'?? GL said in about 1998 that there was `no need for Wire anymore' (I paraphrase) so I hope that in the same way your `nil chance' remark will do the trick, Paul. Howard ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 06:10:57 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Re: vocal interplay my guess is the 'break up' post > first-letter had more to do with the Wir three simply finding other > things to do - as well as natural disappointment that the thing didn't > sell - I think I am right that this sold less than any of their other > albums? > /////i'd love to know actual sales figures. i think the general comment is that each album from ideal copy onwards sold progressively less. the sleeve of "first letter" didn't help sales much , did it? maybe if they'd gone through with the plan to release "glue canal" as a single it would have sold more. then again....... /////GL said in about 1998 that there was `no need > for Wire anymore' (I paraphrase) so I hope that in the same way your > `nil chance' remark will do the trick, Paul. > >>>>>my predictions have long been renowned for utter inaccuracy. wonder if rob would drum thru gritted teeth on a wir track? "No cows on the ice 2001" maybe? p ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 16:30:49 +0100 From: "they.wait" Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PostEverything > From: Bart > Date: Tue, 28 Aug 2001 09:03:46 +0200 > To: > Cc: > Subject: Re: [idealcopy] PostEverything > > "theywait"! [what name is behind that? When Oscillatind (by Immersion) was released a MIDI file was left on a server somewhere and was made available for remixers - I decided to remix the track. I took a while to do it (about 3 months!) when I sent off the DAT to Colin and Malka I was stumped for a name so I dreamt up because that's what Colin and Malka were doing! Unfortunately the remix project never came to fruition although a couple of 12" EPs were released and also the very excellent Full Immersion the first collection of remixes which Swim very nicely sent me while I was holed up in the USA! My friends liked the name as it sounded Wirelike to them! So I kept it! I recently listened to Manscape and heard it on as a messed up Newman backing vocal _ I must have picked it up from there without realising! Jez aka they wait aka Subelectro (UK) ltd aka Johnson! ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 12:08:20 EDT From: PaulRabjohn@aol.com Subject: [idealcopy] leeds/reading 2001 i videoed the highlights show from C4 wed night and just watched it. pjh was really excellent , john parrish back in the band together with drew feldman/rob ellis/margaret fiedler. got me ticket for m/cr ; looks a great prospect. but , oh dear. they showed an interview with gazza numan who was sporting a bizarre jet black quiff. looked like a dead cat had fallen asleep on his head. dodgiest syrup i have seen in many a long year. could someone have a whisper in his ear about this , it was most disturbing. and the cult were crap too in case you wondered. p ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:05:35 +0200 From: "JanJNoorda" Subject: [idealcopy] Russell Haswell That's aff course interesting to mention Russell Haswell, Graeme. The only thing I know that there is a release on MEGO called Live Salvage 1997 and mentioned on some Ash International releases. I think he's an art-performer but not so much a musician, but I'm not sure. last heard ceedees Beatles-Revolver, not bad for the sixties I suppose. Never thought that a band like the Jam were so influenced by the track Tax-man Pierre Henry-Des Annees 50, early electronics. I think every Gilbert and/or Lewis fan should listen to this. Musique Concrete. It sounds funny to me. new season, new interesting programs on Dutch radio4 Supplement changed to sunday evening First interesting evening third sunday in september: Scandinavian electronics: Saehko, Cold Meat Industry and Biosphere. and Luna Express on wednesday My vacation has started Up to the sun I go ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 18:50:10 -0400 From: Creaig Dunton Subject: Re: [idealcopy] Russell Haswell JanJNoorda wrote: > That's aff course interesting to mention Russell Haswell, Graeme. The only > thing I know that there is a release on MEGO called Live Salvage 1997 and > mentioned on some Ash International releases. I think he's an art-performer > but not so much a musician, but I'm not sure. > Isn't Haswell the head of the Blast First label? For some reason I keep thinking that, and my MC Hellshit/DJ Carhouse _Live at Disobey_ 3"CD (on BF) thanks someone named Russell. But I could be wrong ;) - --Creaig http://www.2fmp.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 01 Sep 2001 01:28:46 +0100 From: Tim Subject: [idealcopy] I like the Beatles but do I have to like Dylan? I like the Beatles (although these days I'd rather read about them than listen to Revolver for the millionth time)...but I defend the right of anyone to be bold enough to say they don't like them It is difficult to criticise The Beatles on a musical level because they pretty much had a bash at everything, from cod-reggae (Ob-la-di) to avant garde sound collage (Revolution #9). Of course you can appreciate the value/historical importance of art without enjoying it on a personal level. I appreciate the gravitas applied to Dylan. I understand the impact he must have had at the time..or so I have read! But personally I get no pleasure from hearing his music. On a sonic level it contains nothing that I find interesting. There are legions of earnest Dylan-ologists who devote their lives to picking over bootlegs, and dissecting the lyrics of his endless, interminable records. Thats fine by me, I'll listen to Brian Wilson, Fennesz and the new Spiritualized LP if its OK with you?! _________________________ The Kids Are Alright http://www.kidsindestructible.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 21:19:39 EDT From: RLynn9@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I like the Beatles but do I have to like Dylan? right on Tim.....you found the words that i couldn't....thank you! Robert ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:25:27 -0500 From: "wiremailorder.com" Subject: [idealcopy] Wire Mail Order only 75 more shopping days shop@wiremailorder.com http://www.wiremailorder.com ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 20:41:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Felton Frog-Mon Subject: [idealcopy] OT - Welcome to the 'New Order'! Greetings ICers! For any of you who are interested in music composition and such, check out: http://www.acidplanet.com They hold remix contests fairly often and one of the latest ones is from New Order! You can download a free version of their software and a bunch of loops to work with. It's a pretty fun program! Check it out! RJH ===== - ----------------------------------------------------------- "May all your ups and downs be between the sheets." - -Tom Waits - ----------------------------------------------------------- Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ Date: Sat, 1 Sep 2001 00:13:51 EDT From: Eardrumbuz@aol.com Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I like the Beatles but do I have to like Dylan? In a message dated 8/31/01 8:33:50 PM, timrobinson@cwcom.net writes: >There are legions of earnest Dylan-ologists who devote their lives to >picking over bootlegs, and dissecting the lyrics of his endless, >interminable records. Thats fine by me, I'll listen to Brian Wilson, >Fennesz and the new Spiritualized LP if its OK with you?! i really enjoy dylan's music. he has a distinct style that has remained constant over the years, and i appreciate that too. i would not care to pick through variations in lyrics or chord structures on dylan bootlegs though. that sort of thing, with any band is something i find unnecessarily excessive. i must get me some fennesz, and i heard the new spiritualized on the radio today...sounds really good. it was played after a boredoms remix that i think may have been done by fennesz...hm. now, as for brian wilson, i know he has legions of fans so can someone please explain that one to me. i think i may have liked the beach boys as an instrumental band. i just can't take the vocals...on a phsyiological level i mean. i really can't take it, i cringe, i get real pains. someone help me :o) - -paul c.d. ------------------------------ Date: Fri, 31 Aug 2001 22:55:17 -0700 (PDT) From: Felton Frog-Mon Subject: Re: [idealcopy] I like the Beatles but do I have to like Dylan? IC-ers > > It is difficult to criticise The Beatles on a > musical level because they > pretty much had a bash at everything, from > cod-reggae (Ob-la-di) to avant > garde sound collage (Revolution #9). I agree! Plus it is nearly impossible to underestimate the affect they had on so many non-music levels. As much as Judas Priest, Marilyn Manson et al have upset people at times, when the Beatles got really popular they were considered to be as big a threat to the US as the "commies" were! I think the Beatles are kind of wrongly protrayed publicly due to their 'nice guy' demeanor. Any kind of investigation shows that they were really very 'punk' in alot of their ways. The "dog upsetting" ultra sonic business on Sgt Pepper is a good look at that. In alot of ways they were always looking at a way to 'jar' people with their music. I was talking to an inlaw recently and we kind of agreed that this is the kind of thing that you can't really appreciate without the whole cultural state of mind that existed in the early 60's. In some ways, I don't think it is worthwhile to try. Anyway, that's a bit more than a two bits.... Rick H BTW - who wouldn't walk across the street to see Dylan play for free! Get email alerts & NEW webcam video instant messaging with Yahoo! Messenger http://im.yahoo.com ------------------------------ End of idealcopy-digest V4 #267 *******************************